You're Lying again.
This was Your original response to me and your CounterCLAIM.
That was OUR Original exchange - where you jumped in saying my claim of persecution and emmigration of Jews as the Fabrication of Jewish organizations. (quoting only the portion of my post I've now bolded)
I Documented you were Wrong. Again.
I never ever stated that I thought it was a fabricated claim. You are making things up and I did not lie. Fact is there is no independent surveys based on actual facts and figures that backs up the widely held traditional view among the Jewish community that they are being persecuted. The fact is that there are no limits to what Jews can do in most countries involved, unlike there was just 40 years ago. Being Jewish does not bar you from public office, or working in government or going to an university. It did once. Hence that type of persecution is less. That is why one has to question why the Jewish community according to a poll feels that they are under attack..is that feeling based in fact or some sort of mass hysteria type thing? And based on the limited amount of actual factual numbers then it is leaning more towards the latter, but you seem to refuse to believe that.
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So presented with evidence you said didn't exist, you reply with a Nonsensical and Combative Sour Grapes. Again.
Again you are making **** up. You presented NO evidence that linked migration from France to Israel to supposed Jewish attacks in France. The article you posted only stated that Jews were leaving France at higher numbers than before and it speculated on why. Did they ask every single Jew that left France on why they were leaving? No. Hence we do not know why they left. And I am not denying that some might have left due to feeling persecuted, but that is far from all of them.
What?
Having been totally Porked in debate, you've gone absurd. Posting agreement as disagreement.
What? Are you seeing things now? The link I posted is based on numbers not a poll. Now those factual numbers are not big by any measure, hence the claim that there are masses of anti-Semitic behaviour in Europe and the US is actually disproved by the article and report from the university. In no way can under 700 attacks in one year in an area that covers all of Europe plus the US and a few more countries (about 1 billion people) be considered massive.
So "we don't have any factual numbers", but you posted some in your very next sentence!, as did I on the parallel numbers of emigrants Because of the increase in attacks.
And the claim was for the period since 2000, not just 2010, as the longer period would be absolutely Necessary to show the effect of Muslim immigration on extant Jewish residents.
Disingenuity fails.
And we dont. Your evidence was at best wishful thinking as there was no correlation between immigration and supposed attacks. Dont you think the economic situation in France is a bigger reason to move to Israel, a country that is in an economic boom?
And the numbers we do have are limited to say the least dont you agree? On top of that, they show no where near the problem that Jewish organisations and the polling data claims there is.
Another piece of disingenuous/Dishonest BS. Using "1 billion" when there are only a few million Jews in Europe.
The size of the overall population is important. If there are 2000 attacks in a population of 10k, then that is a big problem. If there are 2000 attacks in a population of 1 billion then that is a minor but important issue. Even relative to the Jewish population in individual countries the numbers are small, and frankly include reports of "saying mean words", which frankly is pathetic that it can be a crime calling someone mean words. You dont get arrested for calling a woman a ****, but you can get arrested for calling a Jew names.
So You challenged, indeed Disagreed, with my claim by making your own that persecution and emigration was the Fabrication of Jewish organizations.
But... I then went on to document my case.
I challenged the fact that there is a massive problem and proved the problematic nature of the issue. It is you that seems to want to advance the idea that anti-Semitism is a massive problem in Europe (conveniently forgetting the US) solely based on polling data done by Jewish organisations who have a vested interest in keeping the myth of massive Jewish persecution outside the US and Israel alive. It is how they get their funding after all. It is always odd that there is rarely any mention of anti-Semetic behaviour coming out of the US and when there are such cases being reported, then they often are quickly glossed over.
Remember Maddof? There was some vile anti-Semitic crap going on in New York, on the Internet and so on.. but it was barely reported on relative to the supposed massive amounts of anti-Semitic behaviour in Europe.
Your problem was, as usual, you were just emptily combative to non-EU posters and opinion.
That's why you oft find yourself in factually undefendable territory and having to try and BS your way through with incoherent posts that are only formatted like categorical response but are empty.
No the problem is that you refuse to see that the whole debate is driven by polling data done by the Jewish community organisations and there is very limited amount of actual factual data to collaborate the polling data. In fact the data that there is available contradicts the polling data.
Now you came with the excuse that there is under reporting of anti-Semitic attacks, which I can agree with based on simple human nature. The question is how much under reporting. Considering that any attack on Jews is usually headline news because of the sensitivities involved and the fact that certain organisation in Israel are only there to point out such issues..then actual under reporting might not be that big.. we frankly dont know.
And that brings me back the Tel Aviv University study that used factual numbers. Those numbers were few to say the least.. under 700 attacks and included verbal abuse. And that in no way fits into the picture that Jews are under attack in Europe/world even with adding some extra cases due to under reporting and relative to the over all population and the Jewish population.
And that brings me back to the lack of statistical facts on the issue, and yet you focus your anger not only on me, but keep beating a dead dog that is the polling data.
How about we stick to factual numbers and not feelings eh?
