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Riots in Sweden continue

Ben K said:
I'm interested in honesty. Why exactly is it difficult for Mr. Condell to rely on the actual facts, since they are convincing in themselves?
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Again, he may have gotten that fact Wrong since it was incorrect. (if widely used at the time)
But that does Not discredit the issue of wildly Inordinate Rape by immigrants, for just ONE of the issues you Failed at trying to discredit by 'refuting it'... alone.
Conspicuously avoiding my counterpoint that it's still IS wildly/inordinately high.
mbig: "are you going to disprove the "100%" claim by showing the poor slandered 3% only commit 25%-50% of the rapes? app 10x their number?"
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But appears to have partially worked on.....

Dr. Chuckles said:
I think it was more along the lines that the number doesn't really need to be inflated to make a point, and that needlessly inflating it just hurts the credibility of the argument.
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No, you have it slightly off.
Ben K was attempting to discredit the whole solid issue by abusing that 'incorrect' if NOT intentionally 'inflated' (by Condell) statistic. It was just in wide use at the time.
Part of the error stems/stemmed from the police in Scandinavian countries oft Not disclosing stats by race in an attempt to hide the truth.
No one refuted, or even Tried to refute the Major point that rape (or antisemitism, other crime, welfare, etc) by Muslim immigrants is wildly/disproportionately high.
Thus we have this harping on a single stat that still works to make My point even when corrected.
 
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Camlon said:
You obviously didn't research well enough
- Innvandrere bak alle anmeldte overfallsvoldtekter i Oslo - VG Nett

Translated
According to Police all 41 reported assult rapes i Oslo the last three years is committed by non-western immigrants

Some Norwegians do rape, but the rapes committed by Norwegians are date rape. Assaulting random women or children on the street and raping them, is mostly an imported phenomena. For instance in 1995, Sweden had 290 assult rapes and in 2012 Sweden had 900 assult rapes. 282 of them is towards children.
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Actually, the police clarification for that year stated that only 5 different perpetrators were officially ID'ed, and that a number of those who weren't caught looked European, though non-Norwegian and that most looked African. My issue is with the Islam factor propagated by Condell specifically.

I actually looked up the original report for rapes in 2010 in Oslo that was posted here a while back. I recall it was in that string Condell brazenly stated all rapes were performed by Muslims. I had actually been quite amused by him previously but that had struck me as a strange statistic.

The report:
https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale_vedlegg/oslo/Vedlegg_1309.pdf

Admittedly, I have no Norwegian but I clumsily used Google Translate to look at the pie chart on p. 26 that gives an overview of all rape categories for Oslo in that year. There were 5 categories: "Party Related", which I assume is date rape (33.3%), "Relationship", I assume committed by husbands/partners (25.5%), "Vulnerability" rape, no idea what that is (20.4%), "Assault", random attacks on strangers (12.9%), and "Other".

The pie chart for perpetrators (p.52) shows in all these categories 61.2% were committed by Norwegians, 12.5% by Europeans, 10.5% by Africans, 9.2% by Middle Easterners, 4.6% by Asians, 2% by Americans. This certainly shows a disproportionate representation of non-Norwegians.

More troubling is when you compare the ethnicity's of the victims 82.3% were Norwegian, 9.7% European, 3.8% African, 3.2% Asian and 1.1% Middle Eastern. Again, this implies an ethnic motivation for rape no matter the type.


What's insulting for people seeking honest arguments is that the implication made is that all the violent Oslo rapes (and I'm afraid any rape in a relationship is likely to involve domestic abuse) were non-Western nationals, and as Condell is implying above all these guys were thus Muslim. Are we to believe that all these Africans, Asians, Europeans, and even Middle Easterners disproportionately represented here (I presume all the Christian Arabs that have got the **** out of there have gone somewhere) are Muslims? The real problem here is that Euro PC doesn't record religion when it gathers statistics like this and people can argue dishonestly with it either way.
 
mbig said:
Again, he may have gotten that fact Wrong since it was incorrect. (if widely used at the time)
But that does Not discredit the issue of wildly Inordinate Rape by immigrants, for just ONE of the issues you Failed at trying to discredit by 'refuting it'... alone.
Conspicuously avoiding my counterpoint that it's still IS wildly/inordinately high.
mbig: "are you going to disprove the "100%" claim by showing the poor slandered 3% only commit 25%-50% of the rapes? app 10x their number?"
Unanswered.
But appears to have partially worked on.....
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Believe what you want to believe. I would have challenged that stat if I had problems with its veracity. My problem is with Condell, who can be wildly misleading and I wish had the courage to climb down when he gets things wrong, even if he can be quite funny.
 
Ben K. said:
Actually, the police clarification for that year stated that only 5 different perpetrators were officially ID'ed, and that a number of those who weren't caught looked European, though non-Norwegian and that most looked African. My issue is with the Islam factor propagated by Condell specifically.
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The data is gathered from the victims, not the perpetrators. So all assault rapes were done by non-western immigrants. Thats what Condell should have said, but facts are often ignored on both sides.

What we got to remember when we talk about assault rape and date rape is that assault rape is normally worse for the individual and the society. Date rapes can often be avoided, just don't go to the parties, don't get drunk by yourself, evaluate your friends. Also, your friends is less likely to have diseases, while an assault rapist is likely to have diseases.

Assult rape is also really bad for society as it is can happen almost anywhere. It imprison women, who now can't go out alone anymore. It creates a society of fear. Hence, I am very worried Norway will head the same direction as Sweden who has a lot of assault rapes. Assuming 25% report assault rape in Sweden, then 1 out of 10 young women in Stockholm will be assault raped in the next 20 years. Rape is one of the worst crimes I know about. That is a big problem that is not taken seriously in Sweden.

Such a widespread problem is not taken seriously, but car accidents is. However, the chance of getting killed in a car accident over a 20 year period is 1 out of 700 in Sweden.

The report:
https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale_vedlegg/oslo/Vedlegg_1309.pdf
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That report shows the kind of attitude I don't like. They claim that rape is not that big of a deal, because it is much lower than muggings. But mugging can't be compared to rape. Rape is not taking some money from a person, it is to force a women to have sex with you on gunpoint. It is a crime that often destroys an individual and makes them uncomfortable around men forever. It is a crime that is very likely to end up with diseases and even pregnancy. Many suicide, and others fail at work or school. Mugging just means you lose some money, and you need to get new bank cards.

I am so sick that rape is not taken seriously almost anywhere and is given extremely light punishments if they get caught at all (2-4 years). You can go almost anywhere on the globe and you can be certain that 99% of rapist never get caught. That is not because they can't be caught, but because governments don't bother to do what is necessary, such as storing criminals DNA, open rape centres or just treat rape victims with respect and investigate their cases.

Now Sweden is importing rape from the middle east, and doesn't even bother to do anything to reduce it. Instead they try to pretend the problem doesn't exist and Swedish women are just more likely to report rape. It is utterly disgusting.
 
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BTW: "Vulnerability" rape is normally classified for women who are in trafficking or using drugs.

And the numbers below shows where they are from. They are found in your link. Remember that about 85% of people in Norway are Norwegians, so non-western immigrants are clearly over represented by a lot.

Party-related
Africa 16,3
America 4,1
Asia 14,3
Europe 24,5
Middle-East 8,2
Norway 32,7


Relationship
Africa 11,1
America 2,2
Asia 4,4
Europe 15,6
Middle-East 26,7
Norway 40,0


Vulnerability
Africa 26,8
America 0,0
Asia 26,8
Europe 4,9
Middle-East 7,3
Norway 34,1


Assult
Africa 16,7
America 0,0
Asia 16,7
Europe 0,0
Middle-East 66,7
Norway 0,0
 
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Rainman05 said:
You keep trying to pull the wool over our eyes, but you are only doing it to yourself. The article repetedly states that the people who riot are from afghanistan, iraq and somalia. Hence, arabs and blacks of mainly muslim creed. The reasons they are rioting, who knows. Could be anything. The article, as well as many others, put more light on the issue by expressing why these things may be happening. Immigrants from those countries have no intention what so ever to intergrate in Sweden and become part of swedish society. Just like in London 2 years before and in Paris 6-7 years before, the rioters pursue the same tactics.

Riot over some stupid reason or another stupid reason, burn and loot everything they can, and then go back in their homes with their newly stolen TVs, cars and jewlery.

Even the military had to intervene.
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I never ever thought I would see people in not just one but two threads trying to blame the london, which rather was English riots on Muslims. Never. We appear to have gone full circle. Next you'll be telling me they run the world.

The English riots, after the initial protest over the police's response to the community over the death of Mark Duggan were largely the underclass of all ethnicities frequently with a feeling that the police were against them and blackberry phones.

If anything Muslims have been credited with stopping them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/12/uk-riots-paul-lewis-five-day-journey

UK riots: I'm no hero says bereaved father whose dignity stopped race riots - Telegraph

Muslims tackle looters and bigots - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
 
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Camlon said:
The data is gathered from the victims, not the perpetrators. So all assault rapes were done by non-western immigrants. Thats what Condell should have said, but facts are often ignored on both sides.

What we got to remember when we talk about assault rape and date rape is that assault rape is normally worse for the individual and the society. Date rapes can often be avoided, just don't go to the parties, don't get drunk by yourself, evaluate your friends. Also, your friends is less likely to have diseases, while an assault rapist is likely to have diseases.

Assult rape is also really bad for society as it is can happen almost anywhere. It imprison women, who now can't go out alone anymore. It creates a society of fear. Hence, I am very worried Norway will head the same direction as Sweden who has a lot of assault rapes. Assuming 25% report assault rape in Sweden, then 1 out of 10 young women in Stockholm will be assault raped in the next 20 years. Rape is one of the worst crimes I know about. That is a big problem that is not taken seriously in Sweden.

Such a widespread problem is not taken seriously, but car accidents is. However, the chance of getting killed in a car accident over a 20 year period is 1 out of 700 in Sweden.


That report shows the kind of attitude I don't like. They claim that rape is not that big of a deal, because it is much lower than muggings. But mugging can't be compared to rape. Rape is not taking some money from a person, it is to force a women to have sex with you on gunpoint. It is a crime that often destroys an individual and makes them uncomfortable around men forever. It is a crime that is very likely to end up with diseases and even pregnancy. Many suicide, and others fail at work or school. Mugging just means you lose some money, and you need to get new bank cards.

I am so sick that rape is not taken seriously almost anywhere and is given extremely light punishments if they get caught at all (2-4 years). You can go almost anywhere on the globe and you can be certain that 99% of rapist never get caught. That is not because they can't be caught, but because governments don't bother to do what is necessary, such as storing criminals DNA, open rape centres or just treat rape victims with respect and investigate their cases.

Now Sweden is importing rape from the middle east, and doesn't even bother to do anything to reduce it. Instead they try to pretend the problem doesn't exist and Swedish women are just more likely to report rape. It is utterly disgusting.
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Rape used to be taken more seriously until it became more commonly committed by a protected minority.
 
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