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British schools drop Holocaust from history lessons to not offend Muslims [W:48]

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Primo example of what we should NOT be doing in the name of Multi-Culti. Dropping actual and secular history (Holocaust+Crusades, etc) to accommodate the Lies Muslims are taught in their religious schools in the name of Islam. Not radical Islam, Islam.
And do we drop pork for the Jews? Beef for the Hindus?
One religion makes and gets demands met.
Submission.org

British schools drop Holocaust from history lessons so as not to offend Muslims - National Libertarian | Examiner.com
BY: HOWARD PORTNOY
AUGUST 17, 2012
A report by 'Britain’s Department for Education and Skills' notes that an increasing number of schools are dropping the teaching of the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim students.
The report, titled Teaching Emotive and Controversial History, (https://www.education.gov.uk/publications/eOrderingDownload/RW100.pdf) also observes that many teachers are reluctant to discuss the Crusades because the lessons frequently Contradict what is taught in local mosques.

It gets Worse. The website Family Security Matters ... reports:

In an effort to counter ‘Islamophobia’ in British schools, teachers now are required to teach ‘key Muslim contributions such as Algebra and the number zero’ in math and science courses, even though the concept of zero originated in India.​

The article further notes that 30 non-Muslim children at an elementary school in Scotland were required to visit a mosque in Glasgow, where they were instructed to recite the shahada, the Islam declaration of faith, which states, “There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger."
In addition, Muslim leaders are demanding that Islamic preachers be sent to every school in Scotland to teach children about Islam, ostensibly in an effort to counter negative attitudes about Muslims.

In London, 85 of 90 schools have implemented "no pork" policies, reflecting a nationwide trend toward banning pork from lunch menus, all once again to avoid offending Muslim students....
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What's the Muslim population of Scotalnd? 1%? (Wiki says .9%).
Absurd demands - Ridiculous accommodationalism. Islam rules, 1 vs 99.
 
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They really did this?


Really?


:doh
 
If someone is truly interested in the subject, take the time to read the report and not the rather biased summary presented in the Examiner link.

The British report: Teaching Emotive and Controversial History 3 - 19

It does state that a few schools have avoided teaching controversial subjects owing to parental objections.
For example, a history department in a northern
city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a
topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting
anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among
some Muslim pupils. In another department, teachers
were strongly challenged by some Christian parents
for their treatment of the Arab-Israeli conflict and
the history of the state of Israel that did not accord
with the teachings of their denomination. In another
history department, the Holocaust was taught despite
anti-Semitic sentiment among some pupils, but
the same department deliberately avoided teaching
the Crusades at Key Stage 3 because their balanced
treatment of the topic would have directly challenged
what was taught in some local mosques.
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In the US, we have legislators siding with parents who want the teaching of evolution removed from science classes. Also due to religious objections as noted in the British report about failures to teach the Holocaust, the Crusades and the slave trade. There are also examples provided of schools that are successful in teaching these controversial subjects to their students.

Basically, the report does not support the "OOOH!!! Look out for the scary Mooslems!" nature of the Examiner article.
 
Didn't we go through this one years ago?
I am having deja vu all over again.


ETA

yeah, the report in question came out in 2007

I don't recall the debunking details atm.

I am sure someone who feels like actually reading the stuff again will come along.
 
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It is interesting the way political leanings can influence the way in which a subject is presented by the media; e.g.,

In Mar 2011, the Telegraph headlined an article on the teaching of history, as follows
History teaching fails to give pupils proper view of the past, says watchdog Link

The "watchdog" is Ofsted, link About, the title of their report:
History a successful subject in schoolshttp://www.ofsted.gov.uk/news/history-successful-subject-schools Link
 
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mbig said:
Primo example of what we should NOT be doing in the name of Multi-Culti. Dropping actual and secular history (Holocaust+Crusades, etc) to accommodate the Lies Muslims are taught in their religious schools in the name of Islam. Not radical Islam, Islam.
And do we drop pork for the Jews? Beef for the Hindus?
One religion makes and gets demands met.
Submission.org

British schools drop Holocaust from history lessons so as not to offend Muslims - National Libertarian | Examiner.com
BY: HOWARD PORTNOY
AUGUST 17, 2012
What's the Muslim population of Scotalnd? 1%? (Wiki says .9%).
Absurd demands - Ridiculous accommodationalism. Islam rules, 1 vs 99.
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This is unbelievable. And more than a little bit frightening. It begs the question, though: What do we teach about the Holocaust in our public schools?
 
mbig said:
Primo example of what we should NOT be doing in the name of Multi-Culti. Dropping actual and secular history (Holocaust+Crusades, etc) to accommodate the Lies Muslims are taught in their religious schools in the name of Islam. Not radical Islam, Islam.
And do we drop pork for the Jews? Beef for the Hindus?
One religion makes and gets demands met.
Submission.org

British schools drop Holocaust from history lessons so as not to offend Muslims - National Libertarian | Examiner.com
BY: HOWARD PORTNOY
AUGUST 17, 2012
What's the Muslim population of Scotalnd? 1%? (Wiki says .9%).
Absurd demands - Ridiculous accommodationalism. Islam rules, 1 vs 99.
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Thoroughly debunked. The "story" is from 2007 and was wrong then, it's even more wrong now, the Holocaust Educational Trust has done even more school visits including one in June 2011 to my eldest son's school here. This year- here's a report anticipating an HET 2012 visit to a derbyshire shool as part of the Holocaust Educational Trust.

Here's the school report after Mendelson's visit this July to Trinity School, Nottingham.

The nature of the OP doesn't surprise me, far too many untruths told about life in Britain.
 
MaggieD said:
This is unbelievable. And more than a little bit frightening. It begs the question, though: What do we teach about the Holocaust in our public schools?
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MaggieD, you have been grievously misled.
 
MaggieD said:
This is unbelievable. And more than a little bit frightening. It begs the question, though: What do we teach about the Holocaust in our public schools?
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What's in the 2007 report, as opposed the 2012 article, is not unbelievable, nor that scary.
It cites 3 departments within schools. It's not clear if any of the departments are in the same school.

The article is a breathless attempt to manufacture emotional responses.

There're more schools than that in the state of Arkansas which avoid teaching basic science like evolution.

read the source material.
the article's author is being dishonest and sensationalist in his presentation, imho
 
But Family Security Matters said it, it MUST be true... :roll:

There is an old japanese proverb my wife is fond of quoting, "If you believe everything you read, you shouldn't read"

Well she says they say that, I haven't read anything different... ;)

Another good quote from St. Ronnie of Sun Valley, "Trust but verify"

The only thing that ever puzzles me when stories come up like these is why some seem so eager to believe these stories.
 
notquiteright said:
-- The only thing that ever puzzles me when stories come up like these is why some seem so eager to believe these stories.
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A bit of research on the OP poster on muslim / eurabia topics that come up on the Europe forum and you'll get understand.
 
Multi-culturalism is a misnomer. It's inter-culturalism, like the melting pot. The term multi-culturalism carries an implied segregation.
 
notquiteright said:
The only thing that ever puzzles me when stories come up like these is why some seem so eager to believe these stories.
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As I understand it, it's a phenomena which is common to us all. It's very difficult to assess our own thinking. But, by and large, we, humans, tend to remember more and trust more information which conforms to our current biases.

I suspect that this tendency had greater functionality back when we weren't as verbal.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Thoroughly debunked. The "story" is from 2007 and was wrong then, it's even more wrong now, the Holocaust Educational Trust has done even more school visits including one in June 2011 to my eldest son's school here. This year- here's a report anticipating an HET 2012 visit to a derbyshire shool as part of the Holocaust Educational Trust.

Here's the school report after Mendelson's visit this July to Trinity School, Nottingham.

The nature of the OP doesn't surprise me, far too many untruths told about life in Britain.
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I just showed my 16yr old daughter this and her response was, "I wish they had it may have made things easier" she then went on to rattle numerous facts on the subject. It is 'extremely' sad how far mbig will go in his distorting of reality. Well and truly debunked this time:rofl

Paul
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Thoroughly debunked. The "story" is from 2007 and was wrong then, it's even more wrong now, the Holocaust Educational Trust has done even more school visits including one in June 2011 to my eldest son's school here. This year- here's a report anticipating an HET 2012 visit to a derbyshire shool as part of the Holocaust Educational Trust.
Here's the school report after Mendelson's visit this July to Trinity School, Nottingham.

The nature of the OP doesn't surprise me, far too many untruths told about life in Britain.
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This appears an older story recycled by the Examiner.
For that I apologize.
But for those unfamiliar, like Maggie, it is still News and Informative and true.
The H.ET. link (an org which goes into Some schools) does NOT "debunk" the fact that Some teachers in Asian/Muslim areas avoid the issue of the Holocaust or Crusades, or other influences on their teaching to assuage one group. Nor the consistent rest...

Other details, like Pork off the Menu at schools is Also True. (and new)
Bangers ban in hundreds of schools - Telegraph
By Julie Henry, Education Correspondent
17 Jun 2012
This article says for 'Muslims and Jews' (to be PC) but if it was for Jews, it's kinda late (absurd), as opposed to the burgeoning Muslim population in the areas named.
...In Luton, 23 out of 57 schools which contract their dinners from the local authority have a “no pork” policy. In Bradford the figure is 24 out of 160; in Newham, east London, it is 25 out of 75; in Tower Hamlets, east London, it is 85 out of 90. In Haringey’s infant, junior and primary schools, 37 out of 47 serve no pork....
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The "85 outa 90" was cited in the OP, though it should have said 'East London', not merely London.
Are those areas heavily or newly Jewish .. or Muslim? The latter by far.
http://www.newham.gov.uk/YourCouncil/CensusInformation/NewhamintheCensus-aSynopsis.htm?Printable=true said:
Newham has the second highest proportion of Asian population in England and Wales, with the second largest proportion of Bangladeshis in England and Wales Tower Hamlets leads in both these statistics)...
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But hey, keep whoring away.
 
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East London was bulldozed to hold a multicultural festival known as the "Olympics"...

My old Dad had a saying: Half the lies you hear aren't true.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
A bit of research on the OP poster on muslim / eurabia topics that come up on the Europe forum and you'll get understand.
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Moderator's Warning:
Focus on the topic, not the poster.
 
mbig said:
Primo example of what we should NOT be doing in the name of Multi-Culti. Dropping actual and secular history (Holocaust+Crusades, etc) to accommodate the Lies Muslims are taught in their religious schools in the name of Islam. Not radical Islam, Islam.
And do we drop pork for the Jews? Beef for the Hindus?
One religion makes and gets demands met.
Submission.org --
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mbig said:
Other details, like Pork off the Menu at schools is Also True. (and new)
Bangers ban in hundreds of schools - Telegraph
By Julie Henry, Education Correspondent
17 Jun 2012
This article says for 'Muslims and Jews' (to be PC) but if it was for Jews, it's kinda late (absurd), as opposed to the burgeoning Muslim population in the areas named.
The "85 outa 90" was cited in the OP, though it should have said 'East London', not merely London.
Are those areas heavily or newly Jewish .. or Muslim? The latter by far.
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The point of your thread seems to be about British society pandering to muslims but the story you now rely on to "save your bacon" is about some schools dropping pork for muslim AND jewish students.

Basically it's a non-event if you are seeking something to show that the UK speaks with an Arab voice but you do have a point if this is about political correctness in a couple of London boroughs. Well, that one's a big deal - schools have dropped all sorts of things because of the risk of being sued but that doesn't help your thread does it?

Also, you should look up some history if you think East London has no large jewish population.

mbig said:
But hey, keep whoring away.
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Interesting debate tactic.

mbig said:
This appears an older story recycled by the Examiner.
For that I apologize.
But for those unfamiliar, like Maggie, it is still News and Informative and true.
The H.ET. link (an org which goes into Some schools) does NOT "debunk" the fact that Some teachers in Asian/Muslim areas avoid the issue of the Holocaust or Crusades, or other influences on their teaching to assuage one group. Nor the consistent rest...
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OK, so a few or in your words "Some" schools since 2007 (about the period of the 7/7 bombings) have dropped possible contentious subjects while the Holocaust Education Subject has gone into a wide variety of schools across the whole country for the last 24 years.

In their own words - "The Holocaust Educational Trust was established in 1988. Our aim is to educate young people from every background about the Holocaust and the important lessons to be learned for today. The Trust works in schools, universities and in the community to raise awareness and understanding of the Holocaust, providing teacher training, an outreach programme for schools, teaching aids and resource material. One of our earliest achievements was ensuring that the Holocaust formed part of the National Curriculum for History. We continue to play a leading role in training teachers on how best to teach the Holocaust. Link"
 
In my opinion, the fact that the OP link is from 2007 doesn't change the situation. The move to avoid offending Muslims in schools has progressively become stronger, meaning that this can not be ignored.

It reinforces the position that it has to be actively monitored.
 
Teaching the Holocaust, which is the basis of the duplicitous OP, is part of the National curriculum, which is required to be taught in all state schools. It is not optional.
 
As part of the teaching of Arab-Israeli coursework at Abraham Moss School in Manchester, students take on the role of UN commissioners given the task of dividing Palestine in the late 1940s. They are reminded of the horrors of the Holocaust and the likely impact on world opinion. The students also consider how the survivors of the Holocaust would respond to the question Why did I survive? and how that might have impacted on the desire for a Jewish state. A timeline of events and information about who lived in the area and attitudes of different organisations, states and peoples are provided to help pupils consider the division of land. Given the predominance of Muslim pupils in the School and the existence of potential anti-Jewish sentiment or ignorance of Jewish culture, this task presents a complex challenge. The results are very interesting. The vast majority of students partition the land evenly between Arabs and Jews, even though the Jewish population was far smaller, and they establish Jerusalem as a neutral zone. The reasons pupils give for their decisions vary, but they are predominantly associated with the following: issues of fairness, acknowledgement of the suffering of the Jews in the Holocaust, a recognition that Jews had lived in the region for centuries before the Arabs, and a desire to find a solution where both sides could live in peace.

https://www.education.gov.uk/publications/eOrderingDownload/RW100.pdf

^The report actually says (pp. 32-33) that the Holocaust is taught in a predominantly Muslim school and the current coalition government is especially focused on cultural integration rather than multiculturalism and it's imperative for all British students to learn the uncomfortable subject.
 
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I am more interested in how widespread this is. Even if it is only 1% of all schools in London, it is still very alarming.

How many schools do not teach holocaust, and why aren't they being punished?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Teaching the Holocaust, which is the basis of the duplicitous OP, is part of the National curriculum, which is required to be taught in all state schools. It is not optional.
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There you go injecting a boring old fact into a scintillating discussion about how the Muslim Threat is taking over Britain.
 
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