Thread: Gunman in France targets Jews, kills three kids and a Rabbi

Originally Posted by Higgins86

I would agree with that but the problem is when leaders like Sarkozy fan the flames he gives extreme wing groups in France a platformand then the odd nutjob is going to do what he has this week. Look at Germany in the 1920's for example the Nazi's were given a platform and in some areas supported by the German Gov and what began as a small controlled fire quickly became a forest fire with the german people stuck in the middle. Im not saying that its this extreme in France but I still think it sets a dangerous precedent to give these people a voice and for Sarkozy to embolden them.

I googled Sarkozy neo-nazis, and couldn't find a single speech by Sarkozy that called on neo-nazis to kill Jews and foreigners. Can you link to anything he said to back up your innuendo and hubris, or are you just trying to be 'clever' by incessantly linking his name to neo-nazis over and over and over as a cheap, dishonest gimmick to puff up your own un-informed biases?

I also admit I didn't read all 682,000 results, but you seem to be so well informed I thought I'd ask you.

Sorry, any attempt to link to this to Sarkozy is as pathetic as linking the Giffords attempt with Palin. People have responsibility over their own actions and no public personality told them to go out and kill these people. For all we know a group of white pensioners could be killed by these guys tomorrow becuase the modus operandi is to be a serial killer who ****s with public biases and expectations. Even if it is a pathological racist, a leader saying multiculturalism is flawed is a long way from linking to an action like this.

Distasteful political opportunism all round in this string. Who wants to talk about gun control now?

Look at Germany in the 1920's for example the Nazi's were given a platform and in some areas supported by the German Gov and what began as a small controlled fire quickly became a forest fire with the german people stuck in the middle.

The blame for that lies with the Allies. The failure to occupy Germany after it's defeat, followed by the absurdity of limiting its' Army to 100,000 troops guaranteed private armies and chaos in the power vacuum.. Those leaders who thought this was a really great idea were all 'internationalists' and 'Liberals', for those interested.

So much for idealism as seen by the brie and chardonnay set. WW I, Part Two was just a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I googled Sarkozy neo-nazis, and couldn't find a single speech by Sarkozy that called on neo-nazis to kill Jews and foreigners. Can you link to anything he said to back up your innuendo and hubris, or are you just trying to be 'clever' by incessantly linking his name to neo-nazis over and over and over as a cheap, dishonest gimmick to puff up your own un-informed biases?

I also admit I didn't read all 682,000 results, but you seem to be so well informed I thought I'd ask you.

well if you can find a post in this thread where I have said that Sarkozy called upon Neo Nazi's to kill anyone then go on, I have however provided links and quotes from Sarkozy trying to appeal to far right wing political groups and have mentioned polices which has infringed on certain relgious groups rights. Now take a deep breath, back off a little and then you can come play with the big kids

Originally Posted by Ben K.

Sorry, any attempt to link to this to Sarkozy is as pathetic as linking the Giffords attempt with Palin. People have responsibility over their own actions and no public personality told them to go out and kill these people. For all we know a group of white pensioners could be killed by these guys tomorrow becuase the modus operandi is to be a serial killer who ****s with public biases and expectations. Even if it is a pathological racist, a leader saying multiculturalism is flawed is a long way from linking to an action like this.

Distasteful political opportunism all round in this string. Who wants to talk about gun control now?

the big difference being is that Palin has no control over US policy and Sarkozy does and has made clear attemps to distance himself from minority groups in France, but whatever lets do what we do best on here and try and take the high ground and look down on everyone...

well if you can find a post in this thread where I have said that Sarkozy called upon Neo Nazi's to kill anyone then go on, I have however provided links and quotes from Sarkozy trying to appeal to far right wing political groups and have mentioned polices which has infringed on certain relgious groups rights. Now take a deep breath, back off a little and then you can come play with the big kids

So you admit you're just full of vague, insipid crap and attempting an inept semantics ploy. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by Oberon

So you admit you're just full of vague, insipid crap and attempting an inept semantics ploy. Thanks for playing.

sorry where did I admit that? All through this thread I have made clear my thoughts about the shooting and the political atmosphere that Sarkozy is promoting in France, not really sure what your reading but its not my posts....

Originally Posted by Higgins86

the big difference being is that Palin has no control over US policy and Sarkozy does and has made clear attemps to distance himself from minority groups in France, but whatever lets do what we do best on here and try and take the high ground and look down on everyone...

So is it your contention that this crime was committed by a member of a minority group who was dissatisfied with Sarkozy's policies?

sorry where did I admit that? All through this thread I have made clear my thoughts about the shooting and the political atmosphere that Sarkozy is promoting in France, not really sure what your reading but its not my posts....

Do you think you'll fool anybody by repeating yourself over and over?

Originally Posted by Oberon

Do you think you'll fool anybody by repeating yourself over and over?

lol I dont have to fool anyone his speeches and polices are on the table and if you read back over the thread most posters agree that Sarkozy is a fool who does not represent the majority of the French people when it comes to his views about immigrants and Religion. If you want to actually debate about Sarkozy's policies and the impact that has had on the right wing of France then im all ears but if you want to continue posting insults in an attempt to somehow humilate me then you may as well stop now.