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Multiculturalism at work?

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Considering the level of anti semitism levelled at the UK press and the British population in general, (from some quarters) it is very pleasing to view a recent program which highlighted the fastest growing Jewish community in Europe happens to be in the City of Manchester, England.

"Joel is one of the characters inhabiting Manchester’s 40,000-strong Jewish community, the second biggest in Britain outside London, and the fastest growing Jewish community in Europe"

Review of ITV1's Strictly Kosher look at Manchester's Jewish community | The Natter

Compare this with one of the largest Muslim communities in the UK

The Jewish population is second only to London,[71] and Greater Manchester also has one of the largest Muslim populations.

Manchester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And with groups like 'Muslim and Jewish forum of Greater Manchester' striving to increase pluralism, work very rarely reported.

"There’s a lot of animosity between Jews and Muslims because of Palestine, but we don’t want that to filter into our country. People might think we shouldn’t travel there as a group but we want to get rid of those perceptions"

Jews and Muslims from Manchester put faith in a joint pilgrimage | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

It shows an inner strength, and forward thinking, by such groups to be able to look beyond their regional conflict and make the pilgrimage as a unified group. Perhaps this illuminates the positives of Multiculturalism?

Paul
 
gunner said:
Considering the level of anti semitism --snip-- (from some quarters)
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You missed a corker of a claim of an "Arab lobby" that dominates UK press in another thread. Was strange to see who got fooled.

gunner said:
-- it is very pleasing to view a recent program which highlighted the fastest growing Jewish community in Europe happens to be in the City of Manchester, England

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I'll check your links but are you talking about orthodox jews or secular jews?

I've read one poster's repeated claims that UK jewry is / was being forced out of the UK by anti-semitic activity in the press and uk culture but a study by a Manchester Jewish group found that most secular jews weren't leaving the UK but simply mixing in with the UK population. Any "disappearance" was simply from self identification and not for any sinister reason but just integration into wider society.

The same BBC article went on to point out that the orthodox jewish population of the UK was growing - not from numbers displaced from supposedly hostile European neighbours over-run by nasty smelly muslims but from Israel.

Why were Orthodox jews coming to the UK and having large families? Simply because they felt comfortable here.

I'll search the BBC website for the article. Yours must be more recent than the January article I read as it didn't mention any locations for population growth.

gunner said:
-- Perhaps this illuminates the positives of Multiculturalism?

Paul
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I'll set RoP onto you.... :mrgreen:
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You missed a corker of a claim of an "Arab lobby" that dominates UK press in another thread. Was strange to see who got fooled.
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I missed the party:)



I'll check your links but are you talking about orthodox jews or secular jews?
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The program didn't differentiate, just claimed it is the fastest growing Jewish community in Europe. The differentiation was made when the program covered a particular Jewish festival being one of the only occasions when Orthodox and secular mix freely.

I've read one poster's repeated claims that UK jewry is / was being forced out of the UK by anti-semitic activity in the press and uk culture but a study by a Manchester Jewish group found that most secular jews weren't leaving the UK but simply mixing in with the UK population. Any "disappearance" was simply from self identification and not for any sinister reason but just integration into wider society.
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The program suggested even the secular Jews, bare in mind it covered only a few families, would prefer to marry within their own faith. It would be interesting to see a study into 'marriage patterns' within the Jewish community.

Why were Orthodox jews coming to the UK and having large families? Simply because they felt comfortable here.
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My point entirely. If, as is perceived by some, the UK has this wide spread virulent Muslim community infecting all cities within the UK would the fastest growing Jewish community be running in parallel?

I'll search the BBC website for the article. Yours must be more recent than the January article I read as it didn't mention any locations for population growth.
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That'll be good :)



I'll set RoP onto you.... :mrgreen:
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If he gains the courage to leave his dwelling:)

Paul
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gunner said:
-- The program suggested even the secular Jews, bare in mind it covered only a few families, would prefer to marry within their own faith. It would be interesting to see a study into 'marriage patterns' within the Jewish community --
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I recalled wrongly, it was two separate articles I have read over the last two years.

The first BBC Link is from 2008. The Manchester University study showed that many secular jews since 1945 when the population stood at half a million had not so much left the country due to persecution (as some have implied) but simply intermarried or not brought their children up as jewish.

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Given the increase in the size of the UK's population, the decrease in that of the Jewish minority was even more marked according to Dr Wise.

At the start of World War I there were half a million Jews in Britain, but in a smaller overall population.

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Dr Wise - who says his research is based on regular monitoring of Jewish births - attributes the decline in the Jewish population to the fact that about half of more secular Jews marry outside the community, and many of them do not bring their children up as Jewish.

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The second BBC article (May, not early 2011 as I wrongly remembered) speaks of the 20,000 strong Hasidic population in North London. I missed the programme discussed but it describes life among the orthodox community.

The first article discusses reasons why the Orthodox community may be growing in London and Manchester and why they may outnumber secular jews by 2050.

A long way (as you rightly point out) from the picture that some try to paint of an anti-semitic UK.
 
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I'll check your links but are you talking about orthodox jews or secular jews?
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three families were shown, one who were atheists who still took part in celebrations and followed Jewish culture. Another family which was Orthodox and also the family of a Holocaust survivor who came to Britain in the 40s.

It was a fascinating program that had me chuckling and choking up in equal measure.
 
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