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It's not the Spanish cucumbers killing Germans

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Consumers in Germany are being urged to avoid eating cucumbers and tomatoes after a deadly outbreak of E. coli.

So far it has killed at least four people and affected more than 200 others.
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The death toll in Germany from an outbreak of E.coli caused by infected cucumbers has risen to at least 10.

The cucumbers, believed to have been imported from Spain, were contaminated with E.coli which left people ill with hemolytic-uremic syndrome (HUS).

Hundreds of people are said to have fallen sick.

Officials in the Czech Republic said the cucumbers may also have been exported there, as well as to Austria, Hungary and Luxembourg.Few days later, BBC
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Spain has expressed anger at links being made between Spanish cucumbers and a deadly E. coli outbreak.

The country's agriculture minister said Germany pointed to Spanish cucumbers "without having reliable data".

Meanwhile, German officials have voiced doubts about whether the Spanish cucumbers they are investigating carried the deadly E. coli strain.

The outbreak has led to 16 deaths - 15 in Germany and a woman who died in Sweden after travelling to GermanySpanish anger: BBC
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About 470 patients - mostly in north Germany - have the most severe and potentially fatal symptoms.

The E. coli has killed 16 people - 15 in Germany and one in Sweden.

The reprieve for the Spanish cucumber came too late for growers, who were forced to destroy tonnes of freshly harvested vegetables in southern Spain.

Shoppers in northern Germany are even boycotting locally grown vegetables, the German newspaper die Welt reports.

Germany's Robert Koch Institute (RKI) has advised people not to eat raw vegetables, especially in northern Germany. It's not the cucumbers: BBC
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So, a few days later, 16 dead and many more seriously ill - Spanish farmers have destroyed vast quatities of cucumbers to allay public fears only to find the source of illness is elsewhere.

No panic here in the UK but it seems it's definitely there in Northern Germany. Anyone else in other parts of Europe picking up on this?
 
Yeah, we had two cases in Switzerland, both people recently visited Germany. I think it was incredibly irresponsible of the German authorities to blame it on Spanish products before being absolutely sure the problem came from there. They should have just told people to avoid eating cucumbers, lettuce and tomatoes until the actual origin of the outbreak could be identified. Jumping the gun the way they did and blaming it on one specific country borders on the criminal in my opinion and I support any legal action Spain may feel is appropriate. The way this whole thing is being handled is appalling.
 
Danes were semi panicing as they got quite a few cases as well, bit in all cases pretty much the common denominator was Germany, as in either people were there or ate food bought there.

Now the Spanish are pissed big time.. you should have heard Anna at my local farmers market where I get my fresh veggies and fruit.. lol she was pissed. There has been one case in Spain... and he had just arrived from... you guessed it.. Germany.

Germany dropped the ball here, either by mistake or on purpose. When the problem came out in the media, Spanish veggies were blamed and people flocked to German or Dutch produce instead.... the Dutch being the main competitor to Spain in this area. It makes you wonder how this rumour got started and why.

This dropped ball cost Spain millions and millions of Euros, not to mention the damage to its reputation. Hope Spain sues the crap out of Germany and gets compensation.. or maybe we should start rumours that German cars are unsafe and explode or Lidl/Aldi sell rotten meat or something just as false.
 
Industrial agricultural is irresponsible. Watch Food Inc. and you'll understand why these kinds of outbreaks are going to become more and more common, and more and more deadly in the coming years.
 
You guys should pull out of the EU. Pete, you'll have to change your name.
 
Temporal said:
Industrial agricultural is irresponsible. Watch Food Inc. and you'll understand why these kinds of outbreaks are going to become more and more common, and more and more deadly in the coming years.
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It is very rare in Europe hence people are freaking. It is much much more common in the US for example for E-Coli breakouts.

Our food industry is highly regulated in most countries and have high safety and health standards compared to the rest of the world.
 
There was a similar case several years ago involving spinach from California when several people died.

It was traced back to Organic gardeners.

I'll take my chances with chemicals before i touch any of that crap-infested 'organic' crap, with crap being used literally in this instance.
 
The cross-contamination seems to have happened in Germany. The Spanish market garden industry is consentrated in the south of Spain, centered around hydroponics, with no contact with cattle or the beef industry which is based in northern Spain.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The cross-contamination seems to have happened in Germany. The Spanish market garden industry is consentrated in the south of Spain, centered around hydroponics, with no contact with cattle or the beef industry which is based in northern Spain.
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That's odd.

Germany has a history of anti cross-contamination.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The cross-contamination seems to have happened in Germany. The Spanish market garden industry is consentrated in the south of Spain, centered around hydroponics, with no contact with cattle or the beef industry which is based in northern Spain.
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First off you do not know this, since it is NOT the Spanish cucumbers that are the source. In fact as it stands now (Thursday morning European time), they dont have a freaking clue of what the source is. The only common theme is "Northern Germany", where all but 2 people have been too or gotten food from.
 
You are agreeing with me Pete. I know it wasn't Spain, so as it's happening in Germany, the contamination must have happened there, is all I was saying. we have 3 infected in the UK, all of whom have been to Germany in the last couple of weeks. No deaths.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You are agreeing with me Pete. I know it wasn't Spain, so as it's happening in Germany, the contamination must have happened there, is all I was saying. we have 3 infected in the UK, all of whom have been to Germany in the last couple of weeks. No deaths.
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but but but, stop agreeing with me!.. where is the fun in that! :)
 
PeteEU said:
First off you do not know this, since it is NOT the Spanish cucumbers that are the source. In fact as it stands now (Thursday morning European time), they dont have a freaking clue of what the source is. The only common theme is "Northern Germany", where all but 2 people have been too or gotten food from.
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Actually, they are more on top of it than you might think.

WHO says E. coli strain responsible for European outbreak is new strain never detected before - Yahoo! News

And where did you get your information that it was "much much more common in the US for example for E-Coli breakouts"?

Your cucumbers may be straighter but that doesn't mean they are not like-threatening.
 
PeteEU said:
It is very rare in Europe hence people are freaking. It is much much more common in the US for example for E-Coli breakouts.

Our food industry is highly regulated in most countries and have high safety and health standards compared to the rest of the world.
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Doesn't matter. The food production process in Europe is also unnatural. It has to feed 300 million people and make a tidy profit at the same time. The food industry will always make short cuts.

Stay in denial if you want, but "super" e. coli does not just appear in nature. It has to be stimulated, and that usually happens through recombinant DNA methods with other bacteria. This bug wouldn't be appearing if the precursors to its strength weren't simulated into creation by human practices.

Make no mistake, humans are responsible for this bug existing. Europe still uses antibiotics, if not in cattle then in people. Antibiotics go into the water supply, then into the soil. Or it started in the factories. Either way, we are the reason.
 
Temporal said:
Industrial agricultural is irresponsible. Watch Food Inc. and you'll understand why these kinds of outbreaks are going to become more and more common, and more and more deadly in the coming years.
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Food Inc is junk science.
 
Temporal said:
No it's not.

But please, by all means, keep your blinders on.
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yes, it is junk science and utter bull****. the piece specifically about grain fed beef is laughed at in the scientific community.
 
ARealConservative said:
yes, it is junk science and utter bull****. the piece specifically about grain fed beef is laughed at in the scientific community.
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The movie is based on peer reviewed research. You can see it all on their website.

Got any peer reviewed proof to back up your claims?

Also, are you denying that antibiotic use in agriculture hasn't given rise to super bugs? Because there is a deluge of evidence to prove that's what is happening.
 
Temporal said:
The movie is based on peer reviewed research. You can see it all on their website.

Got any peer reviewed proof to back up your claims?

Also, are you denying that antibiotic use in agriculture hasn't given rise to super bugs? Because there is a deluge of evidence to prove that's what is happening.
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the part specifically about the lack of ecoli in grass fed beef was a bogus study that has been debunked by peer review. The science was so junk, it didn't even deal with the strain of ecoli that humans are being inflicted by.
 
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ARealConservative said:
the part specifically about the lack of ecoli in grass fed beef was a bogus study that has been debunked by peer review. The science was so junk, it didn't even deal with the strain of ecoli that humans are being inflicted by.
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I was never talking about this. I'm talking about antibiotic use (in other animals AND humans) as well as industrial practices.

Let's be clear on this: are you denying that the agricultural industry is sometimes lacking in its practices?
 
Temporal said:
I was never talking about this. I'm talking about antibiotic use (in other animals AND humans) as well as industrial practices.

Let's be clear on this: are you denying that the agricultural industry is sometimes lacking in its practices?
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this thread is about an outbreak of ecoli, and Food Inc has a section that involves ecoli in grain fed compared to grass fed beef. It is the only reason to bring that film into this discussion.
 
Manc Skipper said:
http://www.jhasim.com/files/articlefiles/pdf/journal_p259(V3-5)InfectiousD.pdf

The State of Meat: USDA report on contaminants in meat | Consume This First
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Let's cut to the chase.

How many people have died recently of E-Coli in the States as compared to the outbreak in Europe?

I realize that the goofy Eurolefties cannot take criticism well and are always making excuses for themselves, but somewhere along the line they have to learn to accept responsibility for themselves rather than always claiming its worse in the United States. Have there been any claims made yet that this is all America's fault? That should come soon.
 
ARealConservative said:
this thread is about an outbreak of ecoli, and Food Inc has a section that involves ecoli in grain fed compared to grass fed beef. It is the only reason to bring that film into this discussion.
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There are many reasons to bring up that film. Artificially confining it to one reason is something you made up.

Can you please answer my question?
 
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