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Global warming is happening, whether conservatives like it or not

CurrentAffairs said:
why let ad hominum attacks stop you. jfuh took this thread to the gutter long ago. That's why I'm posting all of those links. I could care less if they are reliable or not.
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Not what I'm about.

If you would care (or anyone else) to have a debate with me on this issue I'd be more than willing. Now, for anyone who has done any serious scientific research into this, my debate should go unchallenged.
 
BodiSatva said:
Global Warming is being affected somewhat by humans, but not as badly as many would have you believe. We are also experiencing a Warming Period of the Earth's cycle as well as a 50 year drought.

Some people just need to chill and stop believing all the hype...
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Do you have any evidence to back this up? Along with anything to refute the evidence posted by me, jfuh, and others?
 
CurrentAffairs said:
Interesting. Can you explain that for us? How does namecalling have anything to do with this topic?

Let's recap:
We're all discussing global warming.
I add that the weather is turning cold and icey.
You call me a fool.

How is this on topic, exactly?
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How is this post on the topic? But you could ask the same for this post, so I'll make it on topic.

Here's the difference between climate and weather:

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
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Is NASA a joke too Gill?
 
CurrentAffairs said:
Freezing Weather Hits Middle America; 2 Deaths Blamed on Storm


FOXNews.com - Freezing Weather Hits Middle America; 2 Deaths Blamed on Storm - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
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As jfuh has said current weather has nothing to do with a climate change. Climate changes take a long time so the effects of it aren't seen right away. Winter will still come with almost the same amount of force because the annual temperatures are only changing at a small rate in small increments. But over time this exponential growth adds up. If you went to the moon in 1980 and came back now you would definitely notice a change in the world. Here's a picture of a glacier in 1932 and the same one in 1988 (I know that's a big jump and 1988 is a while ago but it's the best I could find):

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CurrentAffairs said:
The earth’s atmosphere has actually cooled by 0.13 degrees Celsius since 1979 according to highly accurate satellite-based atmospheric temperature measurements

The Myth Of Global Warming
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Have you even looked at any evidence presented? I'll show you three temperature graphs from more reliable sources:

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I could find thousands more, all you do is search "global temperature" in google image and every graph points up. You don't have a graph or any scientific data except some some measurements you can't even link to.
 
Sauwan said:
Not what I'm about.

If you would care (or anyone else) to have a debate with me on this issue I'd be more than willing. Now, for anyone who has done any serious scientific research into this, my debate should go unchallenged.
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Welcome Sauwan to the easiest yet most frustrating debate in the world. CurrentAffairs is an impossible person (How to Deal With Impossible People - WikiHow, read this if you're bored) and doesn't listen to reason, at least in this case. But don't give up trying to convince him and other skeptics because it could make a difference, though I highly doubt it.
 
Gill said:
climate : the average weather for a particular region.

CA: jfuh does not know how to debate other than by insulting others and obfuscation of the topic.
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You forgot providing evidence.

You also still haven't refuted any of my evidence, when are you going to address it? Or is it impossible to refute and you're trying to get out of it? If you don't reply in your next few posts on this thread I'll assume the latter.
 
saggyjones said:
Welcome Sauwan to the easiest yet most frustrating debate in the world. CurrentAffairs is an impossible person (How to Deal With Impossible People - WikiHow, read this if you're bored) and doesn't listen to reason, at least in this case. But don't give up trying to convince him and other skeptics because it could make a difference, though I highly doubt it.
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:lamo Good link, fully explains these two's mentality - the whole self victimization "bla bla bla bla you're attacking me bla bla bla bla". Just wanting to get the attention. So I'm quite finished with these "impossibles" attention longers.

So let's have a more rational debate.
We both agree that this **** is happening, and we're the source of this; we also agree that we need to take this matter seriously and do something to change the status quo.
What do you propose we can do about it?
For one, I believe that we need to turn our attention and focus more thoroughly on nukes - the whole "not in my back yard mentality" is an obstacle we need to over come as a society, as well as the waste as much energy as possible because it's so cheap.
I also do not see any means of reliable energy from anything but liquid fuels (energy to volume ratio as well as stability and practicality issues).
You?
 
jfuh said:
So let's have a more rational debate.
We both agree that this **** is happening, and we're the source of this; we also agree that we need to take this matter seriously and do something to change the status quo.
What do you propose we can do about it?
For one, I believe that we need to turn our attention and focus more thoroughly on nukes - the whole "not in my back yard mentality" is an obstacle we need to over come as a society, as well as the waste as much energy as possible because it's so cheap.
I also do not see any means of reliable energy from anything but liquid fuels (energy to volume ratio as well as stability and practicality issues).
You?
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Just the other day I was talking with my dad about nuclear energy and later read about it. I totally agree that it's a good idea, but people are too afraid of meltdowns and radiation and such. I think that risk is a price we have to pay because the earth is too important. And anyway, as technology gets better and we get more experience the chances of a meltdown will decrease. Again a great idea that is unfortunately too unpopular.
 
saggyjones said:
Just the other day I was talking with my dad about nuclear energy and later read about it. I totally agree that it's a good idea, but people are too afraid of meltdowns and radiation and such. I think that risk is a price we have to pay because the earth is too important. And anyway, as technology gets better and we get more experience the chances of a meltdown will decrease. Again a great idea that is unfortunately too unpopular.
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Today the safegaurds are already in place. The likeliness of meltdown in current 3rd gen reactors is practically impossible - highly redundant. Not to mention there's so many new reactor designs that make use of around 95% of all the fuel as opposed to current designs that use at most around 8% of the fuel. Hence, less waste and less probability of nuke proliferation.
 
There have been a lot of climate changes in my area. Let's see, last winter it was very cold, then as spring approached, it seemed to get warmer. By summer, it was very hot. I took my kids to the swimming pool all summer long. By late September it started to cool off and by November, we were having some cold snaps. Then winter came and the snow began to fly again. I am told that spring will come again in April and May. We'll see what happens. It's almost like the climate is always changing.
;)
 
CurrentAffairs said:
There have been a lot of climate changes in my area. Let's see, last winter it was very cold, then as spring approached, it seemed to get warmer. By summer, it was very hot. I took my kids to the swimming pool all summer long. By late September it started to cool off and by November, we were having some cold snaps. Then winter came and the snow began to fly again. I am told that spring will come again in April and May. We'll see what happens. It's almost like the climate is always changing.
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:lamo you forgot to bring along your tin foil hat, wear that on your head and you fit into the fool role perfectly - joining the ranks of your fellow flat earth, 9/11 conspiracy, alien abduction crowd.
 
jfuh said:
:lamo you forgot to bring along your tin foil hat, wear that on your head and you fit into the fool role perfectly - joining the ranks of your fellow flat earth, 9/11 conspiracy, alien abduction crowd.
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Poor jfuh doesn't know sarcasm when it spits in his face. :cool:
 
CurrentAffairs said:
Poor jfuh doesn't know sarcasm when it spits in his face.
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Now why would you do that here if you knew otherwise? Couldn't possibly be to flame could it? No, you are far better than that - only liberals flame.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
There have been a lot of climate changes in my area. Let's see, last winter it was very cold, then as spring approached, it seemed to get warmer. By summer, it was very hot. I took my kids to the swimming pool all summer long. By late September it started to cool off and by November, we were having some cold snaps. Then winter came and the snow began to fly again. I am told that spring will come again in April and May. We'll see what happens. It's almost like the climate is always changing.
;)
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What you describe in this post is weather. Climate is something else. I'll post the difference again and maybe you'll understand it this time. If not, feel free to keep asking, I'm happy to help.

Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
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This warming thing is really happening. It was 16 degrees here today but it will be up to the low 20's tomorrow.
 
jfuh said:
Today the safegaurds are already in place. The likeliness of meltdown in current 3rd gen reactors is practically impossible - highly redundant. Not to mention there's so many new reactor designs that make use of around 95% of all the fuel as opposed to current designs that use at most around 8% of the fuel. Hence, less waste and less probability of nuke proliferation.
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But what about the problem of running out of uranium, plutonium, etc? Well after researching the subject, you can fuse hydrogen and helium and create the same nuclear energy. Also with new breeder reactors that produce and consume fissionable material we have enough to last a long time.

Another problem is the nuclear waste, but I think we can send that into space in a moon storage facility or something if it becomes a major issue.

Also nuclear energy isn't fossil-fuel-less, because gasoline and diesel fuel are used to transport stuff to and from the plants, and because all the chemicals and such used in the process of forming the yellowcake are made using fossil fuels. It would be a big improvement from power plants now but it wouldn't completely solve the long-term energy crisis. Of course as time goes on technology gets better so maybe it will.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
This warming thing is really happening. It was 16 degrees here today but it will be up to the low 20's tomorrow.
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What you describe in this post is weather. Climate is something else. I'll post the difference again and maybe you'll understand it this time. If not, feel free to keep asking, I'm happy to help.

Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
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CurrentAffairs said:
This warming thing is really happening. It was 16 degrees here today but it will be up to the low 20's tomorrow.
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You do realize that it's supposed to be cold in winter right? Yet we have had on record thus far the warmest winter nation ever. And here you are sarcastically denying the whole thing - how oblivious are you?
 
jfuh said:
You do realize that it's supposed to be cold in winter right? Yet we have had on record thus far the warmest winter nation ever. And here you are sarcastically denying the whole thing - how oblivious are you?
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You're right. I'm wrong. It's going to get to the mid 20's.
 
saggyjones said:
But what about the problem of running out of uranium, plutonium, etc? Well after researching the subject, you can fuse hydrogen and helium and create the same nuclear energy. Also with new breeder reactors that produce and consume fissionable material we have enough to last a long time.
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As with all natural resources, such resources eventually run out; fortunately there's an abundance of it per energy usage - also we have the ability as you say later with breeder reactors to produce more fissile materials - to an extent.
But yes we have enough to last quite some time.
Fusion produced vastly different energy from fission, for one, much more energy, another - far cleaner.

saggyjones said:
Another problem is the nuclear waste, but I think we can send that into space in a moon storage facility or something if it becomes a major issue.
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Waste is perhaps the most problematic issue - fortunately with newer reactors there'd be far much less of it and more efficient and complete usage of fissile material to begin with. The word is still out there on whether or not the costs of waste storage outweigh the energy produced.

saggyjones said:
Also nuclear energy isn't fossil-fuel-less, because gasoline and diesel fuel are used to transport stuff to and from the plants, and because all the chemicals and such used in the process of forming the yellowcake are made using fossil fuels. It would be a big improvement from power plants now but it wouldn't completely solve the long-term energy crisis. Of course as time goes on technology gets better so maybe it will.
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thus the blend of renewable energy sources as mentioned earlier.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
This warming thing is really happening. It was 16 degrees here today but it will be up to the low 20's tomorrow.
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Do you believe the earth is the center of the universe? Just take a look in the sky, everything is revolving right around us!
 
jfuh said:
As with all natural resources, such resources eventually run out; fortunately there's an abundance of it per energy usage - also we have the ability as you say later with breeder reactors to produce more fissile materials - to an extent.
But yes we have enough to last quite some time.
Fusion produced vastly different energy from fission, for one, much more energy, another - far cleaner.

Waste is perhaps the most problematic issue - fortunately with newer reactors there'd be far much less of it and more efficient and complete usage of fissile material to begin with. The word is still out there on whether or not the costs of waste storage outweigh the energy produced.

thus the blend of renewable energy sources as mentioned earlier.
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I think we just solved the energy crisis. Now the hard part is convincing people and I don't know what the hell I can do lol
 
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