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No sea level increase last 100 years

let us get THIS out of the way first. THERE IS NO HOAX. only nuts think that there is.

a review of the debacle was commisioned by the British High Court, executed by an independant committee headed by Sir Muir Russell and a team including Professo Geoffrey Boulton, Professor Peter Clarke, David Eyton and Professor James Norton. they concluded:

“On the specific allegations made against the behaviour of CRU scientists, we find that their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt"

“We do not find that their behaviour has prejudiced the balance of advice given to policy makers. In particular, we did not find any evidence of behaviour that might undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments.”


a second review conducted by Lord Oxburg concluded:
“We saw no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit and had it been there we believe that it is likely that we would have detected it”. a review by The House Of Commons Science and Technolgoy Assessment Committe concluded: "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones in CRU remains intact".
- source

ah... but... THEY are all in on it aren't they? yeah... them CRU scientists are splitting the grant money with politicians and other academinc types (man... those euros are getting pretty thin by this point... and they STILL have to pay off all the lab technicians... and all the scienttists ELSEWHERE in the world who are ALSO IN ON THE HOAX).

Well, who can we ask that might have as much skin in the game on the other side???? How about the Bank Of Germany.. Deutche Bank?
Well, therir conclusion was that "the primary claims of the skeptics do not undermine that assertion that human-made climate change is already happening and is a serious long term threat".

In fact, they say, SIMPLE REASON will tell you that it is bound to happen. CO2 captures heat. end of discussion. without other mitigating processes, the earth will heat up.

ok... but the CRU? they are still crooks, right? "there is no evidence that scientists have engaged in alleged conspiracies".
- Deutsche Bank report - Climate Change: Addressing the Major Skeptic Arguments, September 2010

The EPA reviewed and found "… petitioners have routinely misunderstood or mischaracterised the scientific issues, drawn faulty scientific conclusions, resorted to hyperbole, impugned the ethics of climate scientists in general, characterised actions as “falsifications” and “manipulation” with no basis for support, and placed an inordinate reliance on blogs, news stories, and literature that is often neither peer reviewed nor accurately summarized in their petitions. Petitioners often “cherry-pick” language that creates the suggestion or appearance of impropriety, without looking deeper into the issues or providing corroborating evidence that improper action actually occurred. . .Petitioners’ assumptions and subjective assertions regarding what the e-mails purport to show about the state of climate change science are clearly inadequate pieces of evidence to challenge the voluminous and well documented body of science that is the technical foundation of the Administrator’s Endangerment Finding"EPA reports

in polite terms, paranoic delusion. in less polite terms, complete bull****. now, let us get to your comments, shall we?

geo.

I guess the term "conflict of interest" has no meaning to you?

These emails contain MANY admissions of various levels of guilt for corrupt behavior.

no, you did not; no they were not; no, you did not. you copied the email contents from a website that copied them from the articles of John Costella. the way you identify them makes that clear: September 22, 1999: email 0938018124

copy that and paste into google.... hundreds with that PRECISE way of identifying the source.... some are honest about it:

"The most comprehensive analysis of the CRU emails I have found was made by scientist and physicist, John P. Costella" - americantraditions.org, an extremist right wing blog, or as they put it..."A free online magazine devoted to Christian values, traditional American values".

Ya, I found the emails on his site because that was the first site that came up that I knew I could find the proper emails... and well, frankly, I'm going to need a bit more then your unbacked opinion that I put these emails in an improper order.

assassinationscience.com simply posts Costella "report".

the big daddy of science deniers... climategate.org puts it simply: "I defer to the expert commentary of Costella". No one knows who climategate is... actually, they are no one anymore... you can buy the site, if you like... it is for sale.

now, how about YOU be honest. THAT particular manner of identifying the emails originated with Costella and no one uses that particular manner except those who cite his 'results'. You got your opinions from conspiracy nut job bloggers.

i am attacking his CREDIBILITY. he is a NUT. a very intelligent paranoid conspiracist. his views on THIS conspiracy are no more credible than his view on the unites states role in bombing the World Trade Center and attempting to destroy th Senate and the Pentagon.

can you cite a single reputable scientist that supports this nonsense?

you wanna SHOW THAT?

i never said that... i said that petroleum based energy producers have a big investment in delay (they cannot stop) investigations into greenhouse gas effects. they do. that BP and Dutch Shell contribute to science (not expressly to Climate Change Science necessarily) shows that these companies are ahead of the curve. not all are.

no, not even close. GOVERNMENTS fund most of that research. the Oil Companies? well, let's try our pals the Kochs.

among the groups funded by Koch that have worked actively in publicly denying the climate change science....American Propserity ($5m Koch dollars), Cato ($1m), The Heritage Foundation ($1m), American Enterprise Institute ($1m), Americans for Tax Reform, Capital Research Center, Fraser Institute, George C Marshall Institute, Goldwater Institute, Independent Women's Forum, John Locke Foundation, Mackinac Center, Media Research Center, Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy, Reason Foundation, State Policy Network, Texas Public Policy Foundation, Competitive Enterprise Institute, FreedomWorks, Heartland Institute.

this last is the best... virtually created by hand for this express purpose by Koch.

so.. how much? well, overall, $857k in 2004. a lotta jack eh? THEN the emails came out.... by 2008, that had gone to 20m, 20.5 in 2009 and 2010 in lobbying alone.

you will find Exxon contributing to the same groups as well as the Center For a Constructive Tomorrow, a SERIOUS right wing blog... . NOT BP, though and not Shell.

said it. never even pretended to show it. His name is Hal Lewis, an 80 year old physicist NOT a meteorologist or a climatiologist and nowhere, NO WHERE at all has he shown that his criticisms of the theory have any merit at all. he complained because climate science was taking money he thought should go to studying the physics of climate. The APS responded, thusly:

pity, that, innit?

i think "simplistic" is closer to the mark

well, that you misunderstood him... or rather that someone else misunderstood him or misrepresented him and told you what you should think. That is NOT a rational reading of the letter.

there.... is .... no .... evidence ... of ... that

and it is an irrational conclusion. there is no indication that he contaminated anything or that he was trying to get ANY result or what result he got, only that he wanted to ensure that the two sets of data matched properly in time. that is all it shows.

what 'Lobby groups" fund FactCheck? FactCheck is non-partisan and nonprofit, was created by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania. Most of the its operating costs are covered by..... the Annenberg Foundation.

but, keep bleating. you sound crazier all the time.

geo.

Ad hom makes for fallacious arguments... and if you had an other point beyond the ad hom, it was lost.
 
Yet with all the doom and gloom claims and warmest decade and record ice melting how can that be? Your scientist are again caught in their lies

So get this. If a melting ice sheet is situated over the ocean the melting doesn't increase the water level. If you put ice cubes in a cup of water and they melt the cup doesn't overflow. The rate of sea level rise due to melting ice is entirely dependent on ice situated on land masses contributing to ocean levels....

Disintegration: Antarctic Warming Claims Another Ice Shelf : Feature Articles

NASA makes this stuff up right?

"ice isn't melting, photographic proof be damned"
 
ptif219 - No science does not lie, decieve and manipulate data. Governments and the UN appear to control the science soit is more political and about money than it is science

you're aware that there is a plethora of peer reviewed literature which examines climate change from many different angles right? And you're suggesting that these thousands of scientists in hundreds of respected, peer-reviewed journals are somehow being controlled by the government?

How does that seem more realistic than a handful (yes, only a handful) of industry backed "scientists" being controlled by big oil? The only way it does is if you want to NOT believe in something so strongly you're willing to ignore the facts completely.
 
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you're aware that there is a plethora of peer reviewed literature which examines climate change from many different angles right? And you're suggesting that these thousands of scientists in hundreds of respected, peer-reviewed journals are somehow being controlled by the government?

I believe that is the argument being presented, yes. It is what I've been calling the Great Conspiracy.

How does that seem more realistic than a handful (yes, only a handful) of industry backed "scientists" being controlled by big oil? The only way it does is if you want to NOT believe in something so strongly you're willing to ignore the facts completely.

Even the industry backed scientists are coming on board with the facts: The average temperature of the Earth is increasing, and human activities are accelerating the increase. Increasing the average temperature of the Earth is causing changes in local climates over the world, and is likely to result in more extremes of weather.

It's basically only the silly bloggers and pundits who are denying the facts currently.
 
I believe that is the argument being presented, yes. It is what I've been calling the Great Conspiracy.

Yes, as a fallacious means to avoid discussion of many topics. Don't worry, there's not many on this site that have the capacity for honest discussion.

Even the industry backed scientists are coming on board with the facts: The average temperature of the Earth is increasing, and human activities are accelerating the increase. Increasing the average temperature of the Earth is causing changes in local climates over the world, and is likely to result in more extremes of weather.

It's basically only the silly bloggers and pundits who are denying the facts currently.

You mean even those scientists who are paid for their opinions are agreeing with you :shocker:

Why don't you ever comment on any of the periods where the CO2 level change violates your premise that more CO2 = warmer climate??

Why do you ignore the fact that EVERY PREDICTION that's come out of the IPCC has exaggerated on the extent of any warming?

I guess it's those silly lab coat wearing lobbyists and science reviewers that still believe that breathing is a bad thing. (Just to point out how asinine your final statement was)
 
Why don't you ever comment on any of the periods where the CO2 level change violates your premise that more CO2 = warmer climate??
Because those periods don't violate that premise. You're doing that thing again where you only look at one variable.
Why do you ignore the fact that EVERY PREDICTION that's come out of the IPCC has exaggerated on the extent of any warming?
Because it's not a fact, it's a notion that has already been disproven.
 
Because those periods don't violate that premise. You're doing that thing again where you only look at one variable.

So you're admitting that the premise of 1000 years of warming even if we do stop CO2 production is a fallacy then??

Because it's not a fact, it's a notion that has already been disproven.

Oh ya, I forgot, because the 'margin for error' is spread so wide it would take decades worth of cooling before it would go beyond their projection, and by that time they would release a new projection equally scary filled with demonstrations of warming...
 
So get this. If a melting ice sheet is situated over the ocean the melting doesn't increase the water level. If you put ice cubes in a cup of water and they melt the cup doesn't overflow. The rate of sea level rise due to melting ice is entirely dependent on ice situated on land masses contributing to ocean levels....

Disintegration: Antarctic Warming Claims Another Ice Shelf : Feature Articles

NASA makes this stuff up right?

"ice isn't melting, photographic proof be damned"

Ice melts in summer and reforms in winter

Antarctic Ice Sheets Grow From Bottom Up, Scientists Discover


Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away | News.com.au
 
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you're aware that there is a plethora of peer reviewed literature which examines climate change from many different angles right? And you're suggesting that these thousands of scientists in hundreds of respected, peer-reviewed journals are somehow being controlled by the government?

How does that seem more realistic than a handful (yes, only a handful) of industry backed "scientists" being controlled by big oil? The only way it does is if you want to NOT believe in something so strongly you're willing to ignore the facts completely.


Peer reviewed meaning GW scientist back each other up.
 
Ice melts in summer and reforms in winter
That's very simple minded.

Observations show that less ice is reforming in winter in most areas of the planet.



You're just demonstrating that you are scientifically pretty ignorant and that you probably didn't even read the articles you're citing.

This article is about how some ice melt water under the East Antarctic ice sheet is moving to a different spot and refreezing. The locations where little bumps of this refrozen water under the ice sheet have been spotted are in a mountain area that is far above sea level. The article says nothing about the measured loss of ice mass from Antarctica.




LOLOLOLOL. It's a newspaper article from April 2009 by a denier cult reporter, Greg Roberts, who distorts the science and misrepresents the views of the scientist he quotes, Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Dr. Ian Allison. Here's the rest of what Dr. Allison said.

Ian Allison: We have now new evidence that confirms that on average we are losing ice from both Greenland and Antarctica which is contributing to sea level ...

Kelly: ... but you found something that suggests its perhaps not as rapid a melt as we once thought. Can you tell us about what you've found, the difference in the East and West in Antarctica.

Allison: ... In East Antarctica there might be a slight increase due to increased snowfall. ... on average West Antarctica is losing more ice that the East is gaining

Kelly: but we can say ... that the East is thickening?

Allison: ... it's close to being in balance or gaining a bit. ...

Allison: The Wilkins shelf [collapse] is related to warming ...


The Australian's War on Science 37


As it happens, new research on Antarctica was published in November of 2009...

Antarctic ice loss vaster, faster than thought: study
November 22, 2009
(short excerpt)

The East Antarctic icesheet, once seen as largely unaffected by global warming, has lost billions of tonnes of ice since 2006 and could boost sea levels in the future, according to a new study.

Published Sunday in Nature Geoscience, the same study shows that the smaller but less stable West Antarctic icesheet is also shedding significant mass.

Consistent with earlier findings based on different methods, they found that West Antarctica dumped, on average, about 132 billion tonnes of ice into the sea each year, give or take 26 billion tonnes.

They also found for the first time that East Antarctica -- on the Eastern Hemisphere side of the continent -- is likewise losing mass, mostly in coastal regions, at a rate of about 57 billion tonnes annually.
 
So you're admitting that the premise of 1000 years of warming even if we do stop CO2 production is a fallacy then??

Admitting? I never made that argument in the first place. Straw man. Although I will ask you to show me where you got the idea that anyone predicted this, because the opposite is actually predicted. The IPCC includes a "year 2000 constant CO2 levels" projection in their reports for reference, and none of those project 1000 years of continued warming. They actually predicted a brief period of continued warming due to feedbacks but otherwise a very stable temperature well before even the end of this century.

So, and I feel like a broken record here, please show evidence that someone has made this 1000 year claim. Or are you just not bothering supporting your arguments anymore?

Oh ya, I forgot, because the 'margin for error' is spread so wide it would take decades worth of cooling before it would go beyond their projection, and by that time they would release a new projection equally scary filled with demonstrations of warming...

"Not accurate enough for my liking" is an entirely different argument than "always wrong."

Temperature trends are actually in the upper half of the oft-cited IPCC projection, again despite claims made by skeptics. The notion that we're actually falling below temperature projections comes from an outright statistical lie put forth by Lord Monckton and people like him.
Fool Me Once: "Temperatures are below projections"

So, yes, I guess all the temperature projections have been wrong if you go ahead and make up your own temperature projections to attack :)
 
Admitting? I never made that argument in the first place. Straw man. Although I will ask you to show me where you got the idea that anyone predicted this, because the opposite is actually predicted. The IPCC includes a "year 2000 constant CO2 levels" projection in their reports for reference, and none of those project 1000 years of continued warming. They actually predicted a brief period of continued warming due to feedbacks but otherwise a very stable temperature well before even the end of this century.

So, and I feel like a broken record here, please show evidence that someone has made this 1000 year claim. Or are you just not bothering supporting your arguments anymore?

You linked to a paper one time that you used to make the point about 1000 years of warming EVEN IF we stopped producing Co2 because of how long it stays in the atmosphere or whatever... that's fine, pretend like it's something else....

"Not accurate enough for my liking" is an entirely different argument than "always wrong."

Temperature trends are actually in the upper half of the oft-cited IPCC projection, again despite claims made by skeptics. The notion that we're actually falling below temperature projections comes from an outright statistical lie put forth by Lord Monckton and people like him.
Fool Me Once: "Temperatures are below projections"

So, yes, I guess all the temperature projections have been wrong if you go ahead and make up your own temperature projections to attack :)

Excuse me, we're talking about a margin of error of 4 degrees in the next century when the TOTAL CHANGE of the previous century was within 1 degree. EVEN IF you go a 10 years out the margin for error is an entire 1 degree, and remember how you said they use running averages to calculate results?? That means that you'd have to see a decline in temperature for a number of consecutive years before it would clearly show up as a decline in the first place.

Then remember how 90% of the measuring stations were victim of artificial heat sourcing??

Then remember how NASA in 98 ONLY MEASURED that satellite data over 90% of those regions that saw warming, while ignoring 90% of the areas that saw cooling?? DO you remember how I posted the pictures of the raw data versus the reported data?

Then remember how Al Gore was the climate messiah until his film was proven SO FALSE that it now must be presented with a warning "for entertainment purposes only" (not that Al Gore is interesting to watch for 2 hours)?? Remember how you tossed him under the bus for that, especially once we found out about his 'sex poodle' escapades?

Do you also remember the hype about the polar bears drowning while their numbers were increasing??

Do you also remember all the dozens of studies that base their published points on 1000-1200ppm of CO2 or roughly 3-4 TIMES atmospheric concentrations before producing the studied effects??

Then there's the issue of oil interests funding much of the science, funding the building of research labs etc..??

Remember when you guys tried to throw the IPCC under the bus saying that they don't count for anything???

Remember the lifelong physicist that resigned from his position at the APS for taking on the position of endorsing global warming theory saying that it was "science for profit", and other colorful descriptions??

I dunno, with so many scandals that have gone on, I am left with very little reason to trust that these people even deserve the title of "scientist".
 
Re: Claim of No sea level increase last 100 years totally debunked

LOLOL. It's really funny the way you denier cultists keep this silly, long since debunked and totally failed thread stumbling along with more inane non-sequiturs and cultic myths.

The OP was thoroughly debunked in post #186.

So, what you're saying is that a linear increase of sea level, something that's been occuring for over two hundred years, is going to drown New York real soon?

Well, New York is just STUFFED with the Republic's enemies, and so, why should any American do anything to prevent it? That's even assuming your faith in the Global Warming Hoax was warranted, which it clearly is not.

A long term linear trend mean the sea levels are not sensitive to Global Warming Hoaxes. You people need to get Neptune and Poseidon to read more of your "peer reviewed" journals. It appears they're not paying a lot of attention to the IPCC right now.
 
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Re: Claim of No sea level increase last 100 years totally debunked

So, what you're saying is that a linear increase of sea level, something that's been occuring for over two hundred years, is going to drown New York real soon?

Well, New York is just STUFFED with the Republic's enemies, and so, why should any American do anything to prevent it? That's even assuming your faith in the Global Warming Hoax was warranted, which it clearly is not.

A long term linear trend mean the sea levels are not sensitive to Global Warming Hoaxes. You people need to get Neptune and Poseidon to read more of your "peer reviewed" journals. It appears they're not paying a lot of attention to the IPCC right now.

He's saying that the silly claim that sea level is not rising was show to be untrue, a misrepresentation of reality, a diversion from truthfulness, a case of economy with the actuality, in short, a lie.
 
Do you also remember the hype about the polar bears drowning while their numbers were increasing??

Come to think of it, I do remember that. So, what happened to polar bears? I decided to find out. This is what I discovered:

Polar bears 'thriving as the Arctic warms up


In the Davis Strait area, a 140,000-square kilometre region, the polar bear population has grown from 850 in the mid-1980s to 2,100 today.

"There aren't just a few more bears. There are a hell of a lot more bears," said Mitch Taylor, a polar bear biologist who has spent 20 years studying the animals.


Polar bear experts said that numbers had increased not because of climate change but due to the efforts of conservationists.

The battle to ban the hunting of Harp seal pups has meant the seal population has soared - boosting the bears' food supply.

but that could be from a peer reviewed scientist, and therefore suspect, right Bman?
 
Then remember how 90% of the measuring stations were victim of artificial heat sourcing??

Then remember how NASA in 98 ONLY MEASURED that satellite data over 90% of those regions that saw warming, while ignoring 90% of the areas that saw cooling?? DO you remember how I posted the pictures of the raw data versus the reported data?

Then remember how Al Gore was the climate messiah until his film was proven SO FALSE that it now must be presented with a warning "for entertainment purposes only" (not that Al Gore is interesting to watch for 2 hours)?? Remember how you tossed him under the bus for that, especially once we found out about his 'sex poodle' escapades?

Do you also remember the hype about the polar bears drowning while their numbers were increasing??

Do you also remember all the dozens of studies that base their published points on 1000-1200ppm of CO2 or roughly 3-4 TIMES atmospheric concentrations before producing the studied effects??

Then there's the issue of oil interests funding much of the science, funding the building of research labs etc..??

Remember when you guys tried to throw the IPCC under the bus saying that they don't count for anything???

Remember the lifelong physicist that resigned from his position at the APS for taking on the position of endorsing global warming theory saying that it was "science for profit", and other colorful descriptions??

I dunno, with so many scandals that have gone on, I am left with very little reason to trust that these people even deserve the title of "scientist".

No, we don't 'remember' all that because everything you mention except for the physicist resigning from the APS only happened in the delusional brains of you denier cult dingleberries. You're ignorant and stupid enough to fall for those lies but anybody who can use google knows better.
 
Re: Claim of No sea level increase last 100 years totally debunked

He's saying that the silly claim that sea level is not rising was show to be untrue, a misrepresentation of reality, a diversion from truthfulness, a case of economy with the actuality, in short, a lie.

Sea levels are not rising at the absurd rates the AGW loonies claim, and will not be for the foreseeable future. Why should it, when what is observed is explainable by the fluctuations of natural cycles, and when the AGW theory is proven to be the biggest scientific hoax ever?
 
No, we don't 'remember' all that because everything you mention except for the physicist resigning from the APS only happened in the delusional brains of you denier cult dingleberries. You're ignorant and stupid enough to fall for those lies but anybody who can use google knows better.

You don't remember the ignorant nonsense from Chicken Littles about the Drowning Polar Bears. Interesting, isn't it, how the leftists get a species listed as "endangered" to promote a scienitific hoax, even though the numbers of the species are increasing?
 
You don't remember the ignorant nonsense from Chicken Littles about the Drowning Polar Bears. Interesting, isn't it, how the leftists get a species listed as "endangered" to promote a scienitific hoax, even though the numbers of the species are increasing?

I already addressed that one. Did you read it?
 
You don't remember the ignorant nonsense from Chicken Littles about the Drowning Polar Bears. Interesting, isn't it, how the leftists get a species listed as "endangered" to promote a scienitific hoax, even though the numbers of the species are increasing?

See everything that's printed is true if it supports global warming... like the himalayans melting in 35 years... and from a report that said something like in 350 years, and then forgotten about once it was exposed as a fake paper.

Add in the confusion of the scientific papers showing a level of hype once things reach an extreme where people would probably be dying ANYWAY, and then the media takes that and runs with it... and then politicians act on what they read in the media to a problem that's exaggerated in the first place, because these 'scientists' want to make sure that there's a problem going on that requires further research.

Don't you look at the fact that oil companies are also funding this hysteria though, cause that's nutty, oil companies have no interest in creating an additional income in the form of taxes through cap and trade / carbon tax programs.
 
That's very simple minded.

Observations show that less ice is reforming in winter in most areas of the planet.




You're just demonstrating that you are scientifically pretty ignorant and that you probably didn't even read the articles you're citing.

This article is about how some ice melt water under the East Antarctic ice sheet is moving to a different spot and refreezing. The locations where little bumps of this refrozen water under the ice sheet have been spotted are in a mountain area that is far above sea level. The article says nothing about the measured loss of ice mass from Antarctica.





LOLOLOLOL. It's a newspaper article from April 2009 by a denier cult reporter, Greg Roberts, who distorts the science and misrepresents the views of the scientist he quotes, Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Dr. Ian Allison. Here's the rest of what Dr. Allison said.

Ian Allison: We have now new evidence that confirms that on average we are losing ice from both Greenland and Antarctica which is contributing to sea level ...

Kelly: ... but you found something that suggests its perhaps not as rapid a melt as we once thought. Can you tell us about what you've found, the difference in the East and West in Antarctica.

Allison: ... In East Antarctica there might be a slight increase due to increased snowfall. ... on average West Antarctica is losing more ice that the East is gaining

Kelly: but we can say ... that the East is thickening?

Allison: ... it's close to being in balance or gaining a bit. ...

Allison: The Wilkins shelf [collapse] is related to warming ...


The Australian's War on Science 37


As it happens, new research on Antarctica was published in November of 2009...

Antarctic ice loss vaster, faster than thought: study
November 22, 2009
(short excerpt)

The East Antarctic icesheet, once seen as largely unaffected by global warming, has lost billions of tonnes of ice since 2006 and could boost sea levels in the future, according to a new study.

Published Sunday in Nature Geoscience, the same study shows that the smaller but less stable West Antarctic icesheet is also shedding significant mass.

Consistent with earlier findings based on different methods, they found that West Antarctica dumped, on average, about 132 billion tonnes of ice into the sea each year, give or take 26 billion tonnes.

They also found for the first time that East Antarctica -- on the Eastern Hemisphere side of the continent -- is likewise losing mass, mostly in coastal regions, at a rate of about 57 billion tonnes annually.

You spin it all but truth is Antarctic ice is growing

Notice in this article they try to justify it by a prediction which if it is like most GW predictions will not happen

Why Antarctic Sea Ice Is Growing in a Warmer World
 
Re: Claim of No sea level increase last 100 years totally debunked

He's saying that the silly claim that sea level is not rising was show to be untrue, a misrepresentation of reality, a diversion from truthfulness, a case of economy with the actuality, in short, a lie.

The truth is the rise is minimal and will not affect much of anything
 
You spin it all but truth is Antarctic ice is growing

Notice in this article they try to justify it by a prediction which if it is like most GW predictions will not happen

Why Antarctic Sea Ice Is Growing in a Warmer World

Do you even your own ****ing links?

Climate scientists have cracked the mystery of why Antarctic sea ice has managed to grow despite global warming—but the results suggest the trend may rapidly reverse, a new study says.

Satellite data show that, over the past 30 years, Arctic sea ice has declined while Antarctic sea ice has mysteriously expanded, according to study leader Jiping Liu, a research scientist at Georgia Tech in Atlanta.

"We've seen this paradox, but we don't know why—here we gave an explanation," Liu said.

The new analyses are based on climate models and sea-surface temperature and precipitation observations from 1950 to 2009. They show that, in the 20th century, ocean warming boosted precipitation in the upper atmosphere over the Antarctic region, which fell as snow.

(Related: "Antarctica Heating Up, 'Ignored' Satellite Data Show.")

More snow made the top layers of the ocean less salty and thus less dense. These layers became more stable, preventing warm, density-driven currents in the deep ocean from rising and melting sea ice. (Test your ocean IQ.)

Global Warming to Speed Up Antarctic Melting?

The data show that Antarctic sea ice growth in the 20th century might be mostly dictated by natural processes, Liu noted.

But that won't be the case for the 21st century, since human-caused global warming is predicted to dominate the Antarctic climate and trigger faster melting of sea ice, he said. (See a map of global warming impacts worldwide.)

As increasing greenhouse gases continue to warm the oceans off Antarctica, more Antarctic precipitation will turn to rain, which rapidly melts snow and ice, according to the study, published this week in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Nice try Ptif.

But I'm not stupid.
 
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Yes they justify it by claiming it is conservationist because they can never admit good could come from warming

I thought your position was that there was no warming. Isn't that why you posted the link about Antarctica, were temperatures above freezing are still very rare even in the summer, and where the thickness of the ice has more to do with precipitation than temperature?

Why else would you post a link like that?
 
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