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let us get THIS out of the way first. THERE IS NO HOAX. only nuts think that there is.
a review of the debacle was commisioned by the British High Court, executed by an independant committee headed by Sir Muir Russell and a team including Professo Geoffrey Boulton, Professor Peter Clarke, David Eyton and Professor James Norton. they concluded:
“On the specific allegations made against the behaviour of CRU scientists, we find that their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt"
“We do not find that their behaviour has prejudiced the balance of advice given to policy makers. In particular, we did not find any evidence of behaviour that might undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments.”
a second review conducted by Lord Oxburg concluded:
“We saw no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit and had it been there we believe that it is likely that we would have detected it”. a review by The House Of Commons Science and Technolgoy Assessment Committe concluded: "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones in CRU remains intact".
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ah... but... THEY are all in on it aren't they? yeah... them CRU scientists are splitting the grant money with politicians and other academinc types (man... those euros are getting pretty thin by this point... and they STILL have to pay off all the lab technicians... and all the scienttists ELSEWHERE in the world who are ALSO IN ON THE HOAX).
Well, who can we ask that might have as much skin in the game on the other side???? How about the Bank Of Germany.. Deutche Bank?
Well, therir conclusion was that "the primary claims of the skeptics do not undermine that assertion that human-made climate change is already happening and is a serious long term threat".
In fact, they say, SIMPLE REASON will tell you that it is bound to happen. CO2 captures heat. end of discussion. without other mitigating processes, the earth will heat up.
ok... but the CRU? they are still crooks, right? "there is no evidence that scientists have engaged in alleged conspiracies".
- Deutsche Bank report - Climate Change: Addressing the Major Skeptic Arguments, September 2010
The EPA reviewed and found "… petitioners have routinely misunderstood or mischaracterised the scientific issues, drawn faulty scientific conclusions, resorted to hyperbole, impugned the ethics of climate scientists in general, characterised actions as “falsifications” and “manipulation” with no basis for support, and placed an inordinate reliance on blogs, news stories, and literature that is often neither peer reviewed nor accurately summarized in their petitions. Petitioners often “cherry-pick” language that creates the suggestion or appearance of impropriety, without looking deeper into the issues or providing corroborating evidence that improper action actually occurred. . .Petitioners’ assumptions and subjective assertions regarding what the e-mails purport to show about the state of climate change science are clearly inadequate pieces of evidence to challenge the voluminous and well documented body of science that is the technical foundation of the Administrator’s Endangerment Finding"EPA reports
in polite terms, paranoic delusion. in less polite terms, complete bull****. now, let us get to your comments, shall we?
geo.
I guess the term "conflict of interest" has no meaning to you?
These emails contain MANY admissions of various levels of guilt for corrupt behavior.
no, you did not; no they were not; no, you did not. you copied the email contents from a website that copied them from the articles of John Costella. the way you identify them makes that clear: September 22, 1999: email 0938018124
copy that and paste into google.... hundreds with that PRECISE way of identifying the source.... some are honest about it:
"The most comprehensive analysis of the CRU emails I have found was made by scientist and physicist, John P. Costella" - americantraditions.org, an extremist right wing blog, or as they put it..."A free online magazine devoted to Christian values, traditional American values".
Ya, I found the emails on his site because that was the first site that came up that I knew I could find the proper emails... and well, frankly, I'm going to need a bit more then your unbacked opinion that I put these emails in an improper order.
assassinationscience.com simply posts Costella "report".
the big daddy of science deniers... climategate.org puts it simply: "I defer to the expert commentary of Costella". No one knows who climategate is... actually, they are no one anymore... you can buy the site, if you like... it is for sale.
now, how about YOU be honest. THAT particular manner of identifying the emails originated with Costella and no one uses that particular manner except those who cite his 'results'. You got your opinions from conspiracy nut job bloggers.
i am attacking his CREDIBILITY. he is a NUT. a very intelligent paranoid conspiracist. his views on THIS conspiracy are no more credible than his view on the unites states role in bombing the World Trade Center and attempting to destroy th Senate and the Pentagon.
can you cite a single reputable scientist that supports this nonsense?
you wanna SHOW THAT?
i never said that... i said that petroleum based energy producers have a big investment in delay (they cannot stop) investigations into greenhouse gas effects. they do. that BP and Dutch Shell contribute to science (not expressly to Climate Change Science necessarily) shows that these companies are ahead of the curve. not all are.
no, not even close. GOVERNMENTS fund most of that research. the Oil Companies? well, let's try our pals the Kochs.
among the groups funded by Koch that have worked actively in publicly denying the climate change science....American Propserity ($5m Koch dollars), Cato ($1m), The Heritage Foundation ($1m), American Enterprise Institute ($1m), Americans for Tax Reform, Capital Research Center, Fraser Institute, George C Marshall Institute, Goldwater Institute, Independent Women's Forum, John Locke Foundation, Mackinac Center, Media Research Center, Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy, Reason Foundation, State Policy Network, Texas Public Policy Foundation, Competitive Enterprise Institute, FreedomWorks, Heartland Institute.
this last is the best... virtually created by hand for this express purpose by Koch.
so.. how much? well, overall, $857k in 2004. a lotta jack eh? THEN the emails came out.... by 2008, that had gone to 20m, 20.5 in 2009 and 2010 in lobbying alone.
you will find Exxon contributing to the same groups as well as the Center For a Constructive Tomorrow, a SERIOUS right wing blog... . NOT BP, though and not Shell.
said it. never even pretended to show it. His name is Hal Lewis, an 80 year old physicist NOT a meteorologist or a climatiologist and nowhere, NO WHERE at all has he shown that his criticisms of the theory have any merit at all. he complained because climate science was taking money he thought should go to studying the physics of climate. The APS responded, thusly:
pity, that, innit?
i think "simplistic" is closer to the mark
well, that you misunderstood him... or rather that someone else misunderstood him or misrepresented him and told you what you should think. That is NOT a rational reading of the letter.
there.... is .... no .... evidence ... of ... that
and it is an irrational conclusion. there is no indication that he contaminated anything or that he was trying to get ANY result or what result he got, only that he wanted to ensure that the two sets of data matched properly in time. that is all it shows.
what 'Lobby groups" fund FactCheck? FactCheck is non-partisan and nonprofit, was created by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania. Most of the its operating costs are covered by..... the Annenberg Foundation.
but, keep bleating. you sound crazier all the time.
geo.
Ad hom makes for fallacious arguments... and if you had an other point beyond the ad hom, it was lost.