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The "Colder Winter [here] Proves Global Warming is fake" FALLACY

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One sees this this anecdotal 'logic' so often.
"If there's Global Warming how come it's so cold this year in... Virginia/Midlantic/etc" Fallacy.

Aside from the fact there's always variation in a general over-time trend, this thinking is also myopic in not looking at the larger geographic picture and more local influences warming might cause.

High pressure pushed wacky weather over USA
Doyle Rice, USA Today
Feb 5 2011

Q: So what's causing our wacky winter?

A: It may not sound too dramatic, but when we've had extreme winter weather in North America and Europe, the common denominator has been unusually high pressure at upper levels of the atmosphere over the Arctic and Greenland, says Weather Channel senior meteorologist Stu Ostro.

Such high atmospheric pressure has made temperatures warmer than average over Canada, Greenland and Alaska, but has opened the door to lower pressure, cold outbreaks and ferocious storms over the USA and Europe.
[.......]
How about global warming? Does this cold winter disprove it?

A: NOT really. As global temperatures rise, higher pressure is more likely at upper levels of the atmosphere, Ostro says, which is what happened this winter. Strong ridges aloft in recent months and years have been conducive to potent troughs of low pressure that help form intense storms.

"It's important to look at the context and the big picture," he says. "While major population centers such as London, Paris, Chicago and Atlanta were shivering, which got a lot of media attention, large expanses in and near the Arctic, including northeast Canada and Greenland, have been experiencing unusually warm conditions this winter."

Q: Anything else to worry about?

The loss of Arctic sea ice, which was at its lowest December and January levels on record,
according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
"It could be changing atmospheric patterns," Ostro says.
Vast Swathes of the Northern Hemisphere are much warmer than normal, some warmest ever (4-11 degress) while smaller BUT populated areas of the temperate zones are colder as a direct result... of warming.
 
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New England Winters to Get Colder as Arctic Warms
Brad Sylvester – Mon Feb 14, Yahoo News

While in the midst of the cold embrace of the New England winter, it can be easy to dismiss reports of global warming and climate change, but there is actually strong scientific evidence, says the National Ice and Snow Data Center (NISDC) Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis ,that the breakdown of a weather pattern known as the polar vortex due to Arctic warming is one of the primary causes of 2011's unusually cold and snowy winter.

While New England and much of the U.S. was being buried in snow and seeing extended periods of Arctic cold, the NISDC says, the Arctic was experiencing air temperatures ranging from 4 to 11 degrees warmer than average. The proximate cause was wind patterns associated with the negative phase of the Arctic oscillation, and heat being released into the air from a wider than usual expanse of unfrozen arctic seas.

So how does that translate into colder winters in the lower 48? A weather phenomena known as the polar vortex weakens as Arctic temperature increase. In normal years, this polar vortex fueled by dense cold air around the polar region, causes a circular wind pattern that traps the coldest arctic air near the poles according to both the NISDC and a report by National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientists. Arctic Report Card - Atmosphere - Overland, et al.

In what NOAA calls a Warm Arctic-Cold Continents Pattern,- Future of Arctic Sea Ice and Global Impacts - Warm Arctic - Cold Continents the weakening of the polar vortex allows cold Arctic air to break away from its usual Arctic home and head south. The influx of cold Arctic air into the mid-latitudes, including New England and much of the U.S. can continue for extended periods of time, lasting as long as the polar vortex remains weakened by increased arctic air temperatures.

Get Used to Colder Winters in New England

Furthermore, as global warming intensifies, increasingly scarce Arctic sea ice is expected to bring about conditions more favorable to prolonged negative phase Arctic oscillation conditions. That means that those of us in New England and the rest of the mid-latitudes will need to start getting used to much colder and snowier winters than those of past decades. While global warming may bring prolonged heat waves and higher temperatures to New England's summers, it appears that it may have just the opposite effect on our already challenging winters.

Lest you think this is the brainchild of one or two U.S. government research centers, the linkage between warmer than normal Arctic winters and colder than normal mid-latitude winters has also been documented for Europe and Asia by researchers Vladimir Semenov and V. Petoukhov as published in the "Journal of Geophysical Sciences -Atmosphere" in 2010.- A link between reduced Barents-Kara sea ice and cold winter extremes over northern continents - OceanRep Japanese researchers Honda, Inoue, and Yamane published their findings of similar low arctic sea-ice influences on Eurasian winters in "Geophysical Research Letters" in 2009. - Influence of low Arctic sea‐ice minima on anomalously cold Eurasian winters
 
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It is a real shame global warming isn't man-made thus we can't do anything about it.
 
You'll note immediately above, an unbacked/Empty claim/wisecrack/troll; In fact a scientific consensus false one.
This in a string in which an effort has been made to use good sources and information.

The Arctic Paradox Explained: Why a Warmer Arctic Can Mean a Frigid Winter Here
February 15, 2011

I wrote a couple weeks ago that as long as I keep hearing the "'So much for global warming, huh?' comments uttered by well meaning, but ill-informed people around the country, it's my duty to, once again, address it."

So here's Dr. Heidi Cullen, formerly of The Weather Channel, now CEO of Climate Central, giving a thorough and comprehensible explanation of why the warmer arctic can unleash the bitter cold we've felt down in North America and northern Europe this winter. She talks to Energy NOW:

VIDEO Interview Dr Cullen within.
 
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How so? I looked at the information you provided. My answer suggests I believe in global warming and the point of this thread was to convince people that there is in fact global warming. I don't see why you have a problem with that.
 
How so? I looked at the information you provided. My answer suggests I believe in global warming and the point of this thread was to convince people that there is in fact global warming. I don't see why you have a problem with that.
Your post had little to do with my OP, except to use it as a segue to a chirp on man's [lack of] contribution to it.

And in your only other post on the topic (of 232 total) you seem to doubt Global Warming; man-made or not.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/envir...rican-global-warming-real.html#post1058887745

Incidentally that's aka 'AGW' you're mocking, and there's a string on it just below (I recommend) in which you are free to elucidate the hard facts behind your position aside from general politcal stance.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/envir...-some-basic-empirical-evidence-favor-agw.html
and others as well.
 
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This post made me spit coffee all over my computer screen.....

You actually consider USA Today and Yahoo News to be "good sources" ????

I post scientific papers all the time but nobody seems to read them. They respond with blogs, news articles, and straw man attacks on Al Gore.
 
This post made me spit coffee all over my computer screen.....

You actually consider USA Today and Yahoo News to be "good sources" ????

The First/USA Today:
article is an interview with the Weather Channel's chief meteorologist.
Penn State Degree in such and long time Weather Channel professional.

The Second post, 'Yahoo News' CLEARLY cites/links:

1. Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis
The National Snow and Ice Data Center

2. NOAA, Twice
Arctic Report Card - Atmosphere - Overland, et al.
Future of Arctic Sea Ice and Global Impacts - Warm Arctic - Cold Continents
(for your benefit, NOAA is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration)

3. A link between reduced Barents-Kara sea ice and cold winter extremes over northern continents - OceanRep
Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at the Christian-Albrechts Universität zu Kiel

4. Influence of low Arctic sea‐ice minima on anomalously cold Eurasian winters
The American Geophysical Union.

And so goes the climate 'debate' here.
People UNWITtingly trumpeting not only their lack of knowledge of the topic, but their inability to read posts.

Your coffee drenched computer screen was clearly wasted on you anyway.
Please, next time spare us all and "spit"/drool/ruin your keyboard too.
thx.
 
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I post scientific papers all the time but nobody seems to read them. They respond with blogs, news articles, and straw man attacks on Al Gore.

Yeah, so do I. Just like the one I posted on noise in the global temperature record. Yet you chose to pick at minor side points I made on Anthony Watts rather than discuss the actual paper.
 
Yeah, so do I. Just like the one I posted on noise in the global temperature record. Yet you chose to pick at minor side points I made on Anthony Watts rather than discuss the actual paper.

If you didn't want to discuss those topics, you could have left them out of your OP.

I told you I didn't have anything on the paper you posted. He says the uncertainty is one number, other sources say it's a smaller number. I don't have anything more to say on the subject, and that seems to really offend you.
 
The empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

"When presented with the overwhelming evidence that the planet is warming, many people react by asking "but how can we be sure that we’re causing the warming?" It turns out that the observed global warming has a distinct human fingerprint on it.

In climatology, as in any other science, establishing causation is more complicated than merely establishing an effect. However, there are a number of lines of evidence that have helped to convince climate scientists that the current global warming can be attributed to human greenhouse gas emissions (in particular CO2). Here are just some of them:

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"The first four pieces of evidence show that humans are raising CO2 levels:

Humans are currently emitting around 30 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere.
Oxygen levels are falling as if carbon is being burned to create carbon dioxide.
Fossil carbon is building up in the atmosphere. (We know this because the two types of carbon have different chemical properties.)
Corals show that fossil carbon has recently risen sharply.
Another two observations show that CO2 is trapping more heat:

Satellites measure less heat escaping to space at the precise wavelengths which CO2 absorbs.
Surface measurements find this heat is returning to Earth to warm the surface.
The last four indicators show that the observed pattern of warming is consistent with what is predicted to occur during greenhouse warming:

An increased greenhouse effect would make nights warm faster than days, and this is what has been observed.
If the warming is due to solar activity, then the upper atmosphere (the stratosphere) should warm along with the rest of the atmosphere. But if the warming is due to the greenhouse effect, the stratosphere should cool because of the heat being trapped in the lower atmosphere (the troposphere). Satellite measurements show that the stratosphere is cooling.
This combination of a warming troposphere and cooling stratosphere should cause the tropopause, which separates them, to rise. This has also been observed.
It was predicted that the ionosphere would shrink, and it is indeed shrinking.
(References for all of these findings can be found here.)

Often one hears claims that the attribution of climate change is based on modeling, and that nobody can really know its causes. But here we have a series of empirical observations, all of which point to the conclusion that humans are causing the planet to warm."

The empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming
 
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You'll note immediately above, an unbacked/Empty claim/wisecrack/troll; In fact a scientific consensus false one.
This in a string in which an effort has been made to use good sources and information.

The Arctic Paradox Explained: Why a Warmer Arctic Can Mean a Frigid Winter Here
February 15, 2011

So, Mayor Snorkum guesses that it was global warmin that caused the snow to fall in San Francisco 35 years ago, when all the alarmists were not yet ready to hit the snooze button on their pet "New Ice Age" Theory? But now all snow fall in places where snow has fallen before must be due to hotter climates?
 
So, Mayor Snorkum guesses that it was global warmin that caused the snow to fall in San Francisco 35 years ago, when all the alarmists were not yet ready to hit the snooze button on their pet "New Ice Age" Theory? But now all snow fall in places where snow has fallen before must be due to hotter climates?

What Mayor Snorkum missed was there was no scientific consensus for his "New Ice Age" theory as there has been since 2007 for AGW, and that localized weather does not a climate trend make.
 
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