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Globval warming reality check

The lies and corruption that show they are not credible but just pushing an agenda and facts do not matter
That wasn't my question.

Which part of the IPCC do you deny? That the earth is getting warmer, or that we are the cause?

You've shown countless times that you are ready to attack the messenger. Let's actually talk science.
 
That wasn't my question.

Which part of the IPCC do you deny? That the earth is getting warmer, or that we are the cause?

You've shown countless times that you are ready to attack the messenger. Let's actually talk science.

That it is caused by man and that man can do anything to stop it. It is about the money

UN economists propose fast-track green taxes for $100 billion climate fund | Troy Media Corporation

A leading group of economists meeting in Bonn recently to advise UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has called for a raft of new green taxes to raise the US$100 billion a year committed by the 110 participant nations who signed December’s Copenhagen Accord. The call won’t come as music to the ears of taxpayers globally – and particularly Canadian taxpayers.
 
That it is caused by man and that man can do anything to stop it. It is about the money

UN economists propose fast-track green taxes for $100 billion climate fund | Troy Media Corporation

A leading group of economists meeting in Bonn recently to advise UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has called for a raft of new green taxes to raise the US$100 billion a year committed by the 110 participant nations who signed December’s Copenhagen Accord. The call won’t come as music to the ears of taxpayers globally – and particularly Canadian taxpayers.
You do realise that all that tax money will be spent, yes? The government is not profiting from this; the only ones who will gain monetarily will be the 'green start-ups' who provide the next wave of innovations.

But enough of messenger-shooting/defending. You've said you don't think that global warming is caused by man, and as such you don't think that man can stop global warming. Seeing as your second premise rests heavily on the first one, let's look at that. If we just focus on one greenhouse gas - CO2, which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.
 
You do realise that all that tax money will be spent, yes? The government is not profiting from this; the only ones who will gain monetarily will be the 'green start-ups' who provide the next wave of innovations.

But enough of messenger-shooting/defending. You've said you don't think that global warming is caused by man, and as such you don't think that man can stop global warming. Seeing as your second premise rests heavily on the first one, let's look at that. If we just focus on one greenhouse gas - CO2, which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

So how much of the warming is caused by man? How much will the temp decrease by going green?

I have no problem cutting back on pollution but these scare tactics of global warming show it is a hoax. The manipulation and lies of the GW community make this whole thing not credible and unbelievable.
 
So how much of the warming is caused by man? How much will the temp decrease by going green?

I have no problem cutting back on pollution but these scare tactics of global warming show it is a hoax. The manipulation and lies of the GW community make this whole thing not credible and unbelievable.
That wasn't my question, either; you're back to shooting the messenger. Which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.
 
That wasn't my question, either; you're back to shooting the messenger. Which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

You want to limit the discussion and do not want to address the Problems.
 
You want to limit the discussion and do not want to address the Problems.
And you don't want to answer my questions.

I don't want to limit the discussion. It's just that every discussion you get into, you try and turn into a somewhat ad-hom attack on the motivations and trustworthyness of the people involved, rather than actually discussing the science behind them. I'd rather look at the science, tbh.
 
And you don't want to answer my questions.

I don't want to limit the discussion. It's just that every discussion you get into, you try and turn into a somewhat ad-hom attack on the motivations and trustworthyness of the people involved, rather than actually discussing the science behind them. I'd rather look at the science, tbh.

Wrong you want to dictate the discussion. The question is not if we have warming but is it natural or caused by man
 
Wrong you want to dictate the discussion. The question is not if we have warming but is it natural or caused by man
Please don't tell me what I want. I'm in a much better position than you are to know that.

The question is, indeed, is the warming caused by man. Hence my questions to you: Which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.
 
Please don't tell me what I want. I'm in a much better position than you are to know that.

The question is, indeed, is the warming caused by man. Hence my questions to you: Which of the following do you deny?



1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

Scientist: Carbon Dioxide Doesn't Cause Global Warming - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)
 
So you deny that CO2 has a warming effect - my statement #2? I just want a confirmation of this before I start - I'd hate to think you were deliberately avoiding the question again!

What question? The question is this. Is global warming natural or is all climate change through out history caused by man?
 
Whay question. The question is this. Is global warming natural or is all climate change through out history caused by man?
No, the question is - and has been for some time now: Which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

As an aside though, you present an incredibly false dichotomy. It's like saying "Is a pit mine natural or have all holes in the ground throughout history been caused by man?"
 
No, the question is - and has been for some time now: Which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

As an aside though, you present an incredibly false dichotomy. It's like saying "Is a pit mine natural or have all holes in the ground throughout history been caused by man?"

So you won't answer questions or address the link where a scientist says CO2 does not cause warming.
 
So you won't answer questions or address the link where a scientist says CO2 does not cause warming.
If you would like to contest my statement #2, above, then I'm quite happy to flood you (pun totally intended) with evidence supporting it. However, I'd like you to actually be honest and say that you are contesting the statement, rather than just posting ambiguous links with none of your own exposition attached.

Do you deny that CO2 has a warming effect?
 
If you would like to contest my statement #2, above, then I'm quite happy to flood you (pun totally intended) with evidence supporting it. However, I'd like you to actually be honest and say that you are contesting the statement, rather than just posting ambiguous links with none of your own exposition attached.

Do you deny that CO2 has a warming effect?

I deny that warming is caused by man. I do believe the warming is part of natural climate change that has been going on from the begininng. In a few years we could be cooling again.
 
Your scientist is a geologist who spent his working life in the oil and gas industry. Not in climate science.

The unanswered question remains:
Which of the following do you deny?

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.
 
I deny that warming is caused by man. I do believe the warming is part of natural climate change that has been going on from the begininng. In a few years we could be cooling again.
We've gathered that you deny that warming is gathered by man. What we haven't yet gathered, in an attempt to explore this further, is if you deny that CO2 has a warming effect or not.

Does it?
 
We've gathered that you deny that warming is gathered by man. What we haven't yet gathered, in an attempt to explore this further, is if you deny that CO2 has a warming effect or not.

Does it?

From the link

Much of the global warming debate has focused on reducing CO2 emissions because it is thought that the greenhouse gas produced mostly from fossil fuels is warming the planet. But Steward, who once believed CO2 caused global warming, is trying to fight that with a mountain of studies and scientific evidence that suggest CO2 is not the cause for warming. What's more, he says CO2 levels are so low that more, not less, is needed to sustain and expand plant growth.
 
From the link

Much of the global warming debate has focused on reducing CO2 emissions because it is thought that the greenhouse gas produced mostly from fossil fuels is warming the planet. But Steward, who once believed CO2 caused global warming, is trying to fight that with a mountain of studies and scientific evidence that suggest CO2 is not the cause for warming. What's more, he says CO2 levels are so low that more, not less, is needed to sustain and expand plant growth.
Sorry, that still doesn't answer the question. Which of the four statements do you specifically deny? That excerpt could refer to any of the first three.
 
Sorry, that still doesn't answer the question. Which of the four statements do you specifically deny? That excerpt could refer to any of the first three.

I have given you what I believe if it does not fit into you trying to trap me to bad
 
I have given you what I believe if it does not fit into you trying to trap me to bad
In that case, what you believe does not address my argument in any way - in fact, I would suspect 'what you believe' came into your knowledge about five minutes ago after a quick Google.

I'm not trying to 'trap' you, more just showing a logical set of steps as to why you are wrong. Either you accept steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 (in which case AGW is real), or you dispute one of those steps, either the logic or a premise (specifically, rather than throwing out broad talking points whose only similarities is a few key words). The fact that you are desperately avoiding the question indicates that you realise that you cannot dispute the points. If this is a trap, you're well and truly in it.

Are you going to answer the question yet?
 
In that case, what you believe does not address my argument in any way - in fact, I would suspect 'what you believe' came into your knowledge about five minutes ago after a quick Google.

I'm not trying to 'trap' you, more just showing a logical set of steps as to why you are wrong. Either you accept steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 (in which case AGW is real), or you dispute one of those steps, either the logic or a premise (specifically, rather than throwing out broad talking points whose only similarities is a few key words). The fact that you are desperately avoiding the question indicates that you realise that you cannot dispute the points. If this is a trap, you're well and truly in it.

Are you going to answer the question yet?

The point is I do not beleive man has in the past been responsible for climate change and I do not believe man is responsible now.
 
The point is I do not beleive man has in the past been responsible for climate change and I do not believe man is responsible now.
You've said that several times. However, if that is the case and you agree that the planet is warming, then you must deny one (or more) of the following steps:

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

Which one is it?
 
You've said that several times. However, if that is the case and you agree that the planet is warming, then you must deny one (or more) of the following steps:

1. Man has released large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere in recent times.
2. CO2 has a warming effect
3. (from 1. and 2.) The CO2 which man has released into the atmosphere has had a warming effect.
4. (from 3) This warming effect is described as AGW.

Which one is it?

I say warming is natural and not caused by man
 
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