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$7 gallon gas to meet Obama's targets for emissions?

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Lol i dunno. If i was poor and was forced to use the bus to pickup my 4 kids from school due to some arbitrary tax and 7 dolla gas. Id be pissed. Lol
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Are American kids drooling morons who cant take the bus themselves?

Kids in Canada are intelligent enough to take public transportation at age 5-6
 
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obvious Child said:
I wasn't aware that rural areas are dependently entirely upon gasoline. Perhaps you could prove this.
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Is that what I said? :roll:



But to answer you, tractors/farm equipment for one. Cost of farming would go up as would your food.


But to my actual point. There is miniml public transportation options in rural areas.



Aren't you impatient? Nothing ever good came easily or quickly. Perhaps you want the government to make it fast? :2wave:
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Actually it's you who is impaient.. You want the government to artificially raise the price of gas so that it somehow forces manufacturers to increase fuel efficency, while, the poor suffer due to government meddling in this specific market.
 
And all you libs (psuedo centrists and 'moderates' too) wonder why this country is going in the tank! Soon enough, we'll all be living on printed money. This country has lost it's cajones and can do no more than roll around in chicken little fear that the world is going to burn up.

In fact, as the title of my post points out, you would let your vaunted leader bankrupt you over sham science.

"Obama surrenders gulf oil to Moscow"

EDITORIAL: Obama surrenders gulf oil to Moscow - Washington Times
 
Boomyal said:
And all you libs (psuedo centrists and 'moderates' too) wonder why this country is going in the tank! Soon enough, we'll all be living on printed money. This country has lost it's cajones and can do no more than roll around in chicken little fear that the world is going to burn up.

In fact, as the title of my post points out, you would let your vaunted leader bankrupt you over sham science.

"Obama surrenders gulf oil to Moscow"

EDITORIAL: Obama surrenders gulf oil to Moscow - Washington Times
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I guess what your sayin boom is the repugs spent all the real money and there isn't any left eh? :2wave:
 
donc said:
I guess what your sayin boom is the repugs spent all the real money and there isn't any left eh? :2wave:
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Not far from the truth DC. That just makes it all the more imperative that conservatives wrest the party away from the RINO's!
 
obvious Child said:
And in that sense, Saudi Arabia becomes more dangerous. Remember 15 of the 19 hijackers were from our dear "friend" Saudi Arabia. Imagine what happens when there's no oil money to placate the masses. Weak education, rampant radical Islam, lots of young people with no jobs. This won't go well.
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Perhaps. You're speculating here and trying to predict the future while making it sound like it's 100% guaranteed :) . Not many Saudis are happy about the current socio-economic construct (many of their women wear fashionable western clothes under their niqabs) and it's impossible to predict in what direction that little upset will go. They could very well rebel against the theocracy and blame everything on them (has happened before in human society, when the Gods can no longer deliver, then the anger turns towards them) and then sit down and think of a different setup.
 
Hoplite said:
Do you have anything productive to add or are you simply going to spew rhetoric and rantings?
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Why are you asking this question? You haven't add anything yet, except a silly talking point. What do you even really know technically about alternative transportation propulsion systems that are cost effective for everyone?
 
American said:
Why are you asking this question? You haven't add anything yet, except a silly talking point. What do you even really know technically about alternative transportation propulsion systems that are cost effective for everyone?
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He doesn't because there are none at present. But if Hoplite can punish the evil, greedy populace while villifying big oil, he will get his ticket punched to liberal valhalla!
 
samsmart said:
And build more methods of mass transportation.
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And stiff us rural countryfolk with the brunt of the rising costs, no thank you!

On my trip last week to California I was quite surprised to find that gas IN Fremont was $3.59 - and gas in Gustine (about an hour away) was $3.89.

So - obviously those who live in the more rural areas get the shaft most of the time while the city-dwellers skip away with some savings.

So that made me wonder what the cost difference is here where I live. It's about the same - my small town pays $2.89 and Jacksonville (nearest "big" town) is .30 less.
 
Oddly enough the EU already has Gasoline at over $7.00 per gallon, they seem to survive.
 
And yet, there is more Oil still underground than has ever been used.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
And stiff us rural countryfolk with the brunt of the rising costs, no thank you!

On my trip last week to California I was quite surprised to find that gas IN Fremont was $3.59 - and gas in Gustine (about an hour away) was $3.89.

So - obviously those who live in the more rural areas get the shaft most of the time while the city-dwellers skip away with some savings.

So that made me wonder what the cost difference is here where I live. It's about the same - my small town pays $2.89 and Jacksonville (nearest "big" town) is .30 less.
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The situation is just the opposite here. Gas in Louisville is usually around 10 cents more than in the county I live in, although it is only a few miles away. In the summer, the difference goes to around 20 cents cheaper in the small town I live in. That's because the Louisville metro area requires the use of additives during the summer. I rarely buy gas in the city if I can help it.
 
jujuman13 said:
Oddly enough the EU already has Gasoline at over $7.00 per gallon, they seem to survive.
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Who gives a flying rat's arse what the EU pays. The EU has a 20+ percent VAT tax along with their excessive income tax and local taxes, as well!

And as far as the EU surviving? If you like living with the greatest government intrusion and control in the western world and you like to live in cradle to grave nanny states with 10-12% perpetual unemployment then you should use your 'independent'ness and move on over there. Just be sure to take all like minded people with you.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Is that what I said? :roll:
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Perhaps you have unlearned how to read?

But to answer you, tractors/farm equipment for one. Cost of farming would go up as would your food.
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Huh, I didn't know that tractors and farming equipment are only capable of being run on gasoline. Care to support such a position?

But to my actual point. There is miniml public transportation options in rural areas.
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And their usage of total liquid fuel is what proportion?

Actually it's you who is impaient.. You want the government to artificially raise the price of gas so that it somehow forces manufacturers to increase fuel efficency, while, the poor suffer due to government meddling in this specific market.
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Did I say I wanted it raised now? Oh wait. You are again incapable of honest discussion. And raising fuel efficiency is good thing even if we must pay elsewhere. I take it since you dislike government meddling, you'd not use selt belts and air bags? How about everything related to NASA? :rofl

H-Y-O-P-C-R-I-T-E
 
The_Penguin said:
Perhaps. You're speculating here and trying to predict the future while making it sound like it's 100% guaranteed :) . Not many Saudis are happy about the current socio-economic construct (many of their women wear fashionable western clothes under their niqabs) and it's impossible to predict in what direction that little upset will go.
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True, but remember that the education background of SA is not conducive towards what we'd like to see. It's somewhat like Pakistan.

They could very well rebel against the theocracy and blame everything on them (has happened before in human society, when the Gods can no longer deliver, then the anger turns towards them) and then sit down and think of a different setup.
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Or we'd get a worse theocracy. At least the Kingdom has co-opted religion while remaining secular. Imagine when that part gets removed and even more strict Whabbism takes over.
 
jujuman13 said:
And yet, there is more Oil still underground than has ever been used.
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The amount of oil underground and the amount of oil underground that can be extracted cheaply are entirely different.

We're never going to truly "run out" of oil, but we are going to run out of oil that is economically useful.
 
Deuce said:
The amount of oil underground and the amount of oil underground that can be extracted cheaply are entirely different.

We're never going to truly "run out" of oil, but we are going to run out of oil that is economically useful.
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Indeed. The whale oil era didn't end because we ran out of whales (although we came close).

Economically feasible oil will decline. We're better of getting thermal depolymerization cheap. Then we could start emptying our land fills to produce cheap gasoline. Why bother drilling when a dump truck and backloader at a city land fill is all you need?

Well, if we could also get rid of the stench produced that would help.

Learn more:
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization]Thermal depolymerization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
obvious Child said:
Indeed. The whale oil era didn't end because we ran out of whales (although we came close).

Economically feasible oil will decline. We're better of getting thermal depolymerization cheap. Then we could start emptying our land fills to produce cheap gasoline. Why bother drilling when a dump truck and backloader at a city land fill is all you need?

Well, if we could also get rid of the stench produced that would help.

Learn more:
Thermal depolymerization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Or we just skip to the source of energy with vastly superior energy density and an essentially unlimited fuel supply already there!

(nuclear fission and, if we can get it to work right, fusion)
 
Deuce said:
Or we just skip to the source of energy with vastly superior energy density and an essentially unlimited fuel supply already there!

(nuclear fission and, if we can get it to work right, fusion)
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Except that TDP is already functional. Fusion is not. There's a TDP plant in Carthage (New York?) that's making oil from turkey waste.
 
Maybe Im missing the point, but you dont need to raise the cost of gas to $7 dollars?

Energy conservation so that you dont need to import cheap gas from abroad. Gas needs to be expensive enough so that it pays to drill for american gas. I read somewhere that America is already the 2nd largest oil producer in the world.

Therefore demand from car manufactures that they produce cars that have the lowest emissions in the world. Japan knows how do build good cars for the middle class.

If the poltical will is there, America could be independent from foreign oil within 6 years and build much better cars than they do today. Downside, car companies dont do anything voluntary, you have to enact a law. Reps hate laws.
 
obvious Child said:
Perhaps you have unlearned how to read?
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So when I now respond in kind to your big mouthed snottyness are you going to whine as usual?


Huh, I didn't know that tractors and farming equipment are only capable of being run on gasoline. Care to support such a position?
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/facepalm



so no only do you want to have the cost of everything rise, you want to make farmers pay to convert thier tractors to run on fairy dust..... :lamo





And their usage of total liquid fuel is what proportion?
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oh i see, so its all about the "common good" of city folk.... what about trucking? the cost of everything goes up when you tax the crap out of gas...


perhaps you unlearned how to think.... :ssst:



Did I say I wanted it raised now? Oh wait. You are again incapable of honest discussion. And raising fuel efficiency is good thing even if we must pay elsewhere. I take it since you dislike government meddling, you'd not use selt belts and air bags? How about everything related to NASA? :rofl

H-Y-O-P-C-R-I-T-E
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so you are just arguing for a position you don't support... :roll:


but wait, you just made up an idiotic strawman so that you can insult me? stop it, you are embarrassing yourself. Now go whine about how mean the Good Reverend is being to you as you usualy do.... :shrug:
 
People get used to the increase of gas prices, they always do.
 
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