• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

The Perils of "Near Tabloid Science"

Jack Hays

Traveler
Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 28, 2013
Messages
94,823
Reaction score
28,342
Location
Williamsburg, Virginia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Once again we see why Judith Curry is so essential to the scientific enterprise. Here she highlights the concerns of an esteemed colleague.

The perils of ‘near-tabloid science’

Posted on July 22, 2018 by curryja | 32 comments
by Judith Curry
A remarkable essay by esteemed oceanographer Carl Wunsch.
Continue reading

32 Comments
Posted in Sociology of science, Uncertainty

From one point of view, scientific communities without adequate data have a distinct advantage: one can construct interesting and exciting stories and rationalizations with little or no risk of observational refutation. Colorful, sometimes charismatic, characters come to dominate the field, constructing their interpretations of a few intriguing, but indefinite observations that appeal to their followers, and which eventually emerge as “textbook truths.”. . .

As both human beings and scientists, we always hope for explanations of the world that are conceptually simple yet with important predictive skills (in the wide sense of that term). Thus the strong desire that box models should explain climate change, or that simple orbital kinematics can explain the glacial cycles, or that climate change is periodic, is understandable. But some natural phenomena are intrinsically complex and attempts to represent them in over- simplified fashion are disastrous.
The pitfall, which has not always been avoided, is in claiming–because an essential element has been understood–that it necessarily explains what is seen in nature. . . .

Similarly, if the inference is that the data are best rationalized as an interaction of many factors of comparable amplitude described through the temporal and spatial evolution of a complicated fluid model, the story does not lend itself to a one-sentence, intriguing, explanation (“carbon dioxide was trapped in the abyssal ocean for thousands of years;” “millennial variability is con- trolled by solar variations”; “climate change is a bipolar seesaw”), and the near-impossibility of publishing in the near-tabloid science media (Science, Nature) with their consequent press conferences and celebrity. Amplifying this tendency is the relentlessly increasing use by ignorant or lazy administrators and promotion committees of supposed “objective” measures of scientific quality such as publication rates, citation frequencies, and impact factors. The pressures for “exciting” results, over-simplified stories, and notoriety, are evident throughout the climate and paleoclimate literature.

The price being paid is not a small one. Often important technical details are omitted, and alternative hypotheses arbitrarily suppressed in the interests of telling a simple story. Some of these papers would not pass peer-review in the more conventional professional journals, but lend themselves to headlines and simplistic stories written by non-scientist media people. In the long-term, this tabloid-like publication cannot be good for the science–which developed peer review in specialized journals over many decades beginning in the 17th Century–for very good reasons.











 
Once again we see why Judith Curry is so essential to the scientific enterprise. Here she highlights the concerns of an esteemed colleague.
--------------------
snip

Germany sees sharp rise in 'fake science' journal publications — report
Thousands of German scientists — many using public funds — have published their results in quasi-scientific journals without being peer reviewed, according to a report. An expert described it as "a disaster for science."
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-sharp-rise-in-fake-science-journal-publications-report/a-44742014

Science is a disaster, its rot is on the top ten list of most significant ways that the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! have failed us.
 
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-sharp-rise-in-fake-science-journal-publications-report/a-44742014

Science is a disaster, its rot is on the top ten list of most significant ways that the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! have failed us.


LYRgTyn.gif
 
Things that are true often seem silly to those who dont pay attention.

Things that are silly often appear to be true to naive people that are prone to conspiracy theories.
 
Things that are silly often appear to be true to naive people that are prone to conspiracy theories.

Joachim Funke, a psychology professor and ombudsman for the University of Heidelberg, harshly criticized the fraudulent practices of the publishers.
The quasi-scientific journals are a "disaster for science, because unevaluated claims are sent into the world and give the impression that they are science."
 
Last edited:
Joachim Funke, a psychology professor and ombudsman for the University of Heidelberg, harshly criticized the fraudulent practices of the publishers.
The quasi-scientific journals are a "disaster for science, because unevaluated claims are sent into the world and give the impression that they are science."

I say agin we need a law that says if you lie and call it science you go to jail.
 
[FONT=&quot]Climate News[/FONT]
[h=1]A remarkable essay on ‘near-tabloid science’[/h][FONT=&quot]Dr. Judith Curry writes: The perils of ‘near-tabloid science’ A remarkable essay by esteemed oceanographer Carl Wunsch. While doing a literature survey for my paper on Climate Uncertainty and Risk, I came across a remarkable paper published in 2010 by MIT oceanographer Carl Wunsch, entitled Towards Understanding the Paleocean. The paper is remarkable for several reasons…
[/FONT]
 
I say agin we need a law that says if you lie and call it science you go to jail.

No possibility of abuse there!:roll:

Ever heard of peer review? I can assure you being in the science field if you publish a stinker you will be dealt with.
 
Joachim Funke, a psychology professor and ombudsman for the University of Heidelberg, harshly criticized the fraudulent practices of the publishers.
The quasi-scientific journals are a "disaster for science, because unevaluated claims are sent into the world and give the impression that they are science."

And what does this have to do with Hawkeye's with an owl for an avatar intelligentsia conspiracy theory?
 
No possibility of abuse there!:roll:

Ever heard of peer review? I can assure you being in the science field if you publish a stinker you will be dealt with.

I can assure you stinkers are all too common.
 
He's a believer in intelligencia. That's good enough for me.

:roll:

It's a perfectly fine word.

in·tel·li·gent·si·a
inˌteləˈjen(t)sēə/
noun
[COLOR=#878787 !important][/COLOR]

  • intellectuals or highly educated people as a group, especially when regarded as possessing culture and political influence.
    synonyms:intellectuals, intelligent people, academics, scholars, literati, cognoscenti, illuminati, highbrows, thinkers, brains; More





 
I say agin we need a law that says if you lie and call it science you go to jail

As long as we start at the top, you know, the Koch brothers...Big Pharma... etc

They can always get more puppets like Judith Curry...
 
As long as we start at the top, you know, the Koch brothers...Big Pharma... etc

They can always get more puppets like Judith Curry...

Who ever.

The bar is very high. The prosecution needs to show that the person was lying and knew it was a lie when they said it.

Mostly journalists would be hardest hit.

But yes Big Pharma would also be in peril.
 
As Tabloids go, the IPCC material isn't vary accurate.
 
Back
Top Bottom