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CO2 passes 400ppm threshold permanently

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https://www.theguardian.com/environ...arbon-dioxide-threshold-permanently?CMP=fb_gu

In the centuries to come, history books will likely look back on September 2016 as a major milestone for the world’s climate. At a time when atmospheric carbon dioxide is usually at its minimum, the monthly value failed to drop below 400 parts per million (ppm).

That all but ensures that 2016 will be the year that carbon dioxide officially passed the symbolic 400 ppm mark, never to return below it in our lifetimes, according to scientists.

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The carbon dioxide we’ve already committed to the atmosphere has warmed the world about 1.8F since the start of the industrial revolution. This year, in addition to marking the start of our new 400 ppm world, is also set to be thehottest year on record. The planet has edged right up against the 1.5C (2.7F) warming threshold, a key metric in last year’s Paris climate agreement.

Even though there are some hopeful signs that world leaders will take actions to reduce emissions, those actions will have to happen on an accelerating timetable in order to avoid 2C of warming. That’s the level outlined by policymakers as a safe threshold for climate change. And even if the world limits warming to that benchmark, it will still likely spell doom for low-lying small island states and have serious repercussions around the world, from more extreme heat waves to droughts, coastal flooding and the extinction of many coral reefs.

Inevitable, but still a sad day. We're really in uncharted territory now.
 
Greater crop yields. Oh the horror. :yawn:
 
Thread: CO2 passes 400ppm threshold permanently

So what?
 
At some point bad things will happen, the O2 regulation system will break down and at that point bad things will happen fast. But what is that point, what is the tipping point assuming that I am right? I doubt it is 400ppm as I am seeing claimed. I wonder if their is even a shred of decent evidence that this is the number..
 
Is this what 400 parts per million would look like if it was money?

Imagine what you'd look like if 400 parts per million of your blood volume was botulinum toxin.
 
Awesome. Now that it is too late to do anything, can we stop talking about it? :D
 
Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
Thread: CO2 passes 400ppm threshold permanently

So what?

so what if your air and water get polluted like China's.

As near as I can tell, China doesn't have electrostatic scrubbers, bag
houses or any other pollution controls on their coal fire power stations.
And you can't see the ground from your 7th story hotel room. But CO2 is
not a pollutant and doesn't need to be removed from or prevented from
entering the atmosphere. If you think differently, please state exactly why.
 
As near as I can tell, China doesn't have electrostatic scrubbers, bag
houses or any other pollution controls on their coal fire power stations.
And you can't see the ground from your 7th story hotel room. But CO2 is
not a pollutant and doesn't need to be removed from or prevented from
entering the atmosphere. If you think differently, please state exactly why.

you mean all those standards the liberals enacted and the GOP fights. like climate change. thanks for taking the bait.
 
you mean all those standards the liberals enacted and the GOP fights. like climate change. thanks for taking the bait.

I mean, if you think Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant please say why.
 
Imagine what you'd look like if 400 parts per million of your blood volume was botulinum toxin.

Except CO2 isn't a toxin, lol. It's great. We kinda need it to survive.
 
you mean all those standards the liberals enacted and the GOP fights. like climate change. thanks for taking the bait.

Do you understand why climate change is a political talking point? It isn't like the democrats have helped themselves out in the arena. Especially given that a lot of their positions become contradictory (no surprise...the politics of both sides are a cluster ****) or just plain illogical when put into perspective with OTHER issues.


I am not 100% sold on the whole "anthropogenic climate change" thing because I am a skeptic of ANY science that gets backed by the dumbest, deadliest, and most evil thing to happen to humanity: politics. I don't trust it. Especially when climate change has been a normal thing for the earth for a VERY long time. And the fact that I am now being told "too late...nothing can be done." As if anything else was gonna change and just universal agreement with the democrats was magically going to make China and other economically hampered nations give up their pollution for less effective production and so on?

I mean let's face it. We all know pollution is bad. But with growing populations comes more pollution. So do you want us to get into population control?


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Greater crop yields. Oh the horror. :yawn:

Hard to claim that vegetation will grow faster to our benefit when we're also deforesting the entire planet at the same time.

Real logical.
 
Except CO2 isn't a toxin, lol. It's great. We kinda need it to survive.

I didn't say it was a toxin. I was responding to a poster who was trying to trivialize the importance and effects of CO2 just because it's a trace gas at 400ppm in the atmosphere. You're right, without CO2 in the atmosphere, life as we know it wouldn't exist.

CO2 plays an extremely important role not only in the carbon cycle but in regulating the earth's temperature due to the 'greenhouse' effect.

Here's some lectures on the earth's climate history and the role of CO2 if you are interested in learning more:

Professor Richard Alley lecture at the National Academy of Sciences - 2015 Symposium



Professor Richard Alley lecture at the AGU conference 2009




Here is Alley's CV.
Curriculum Vitae - Richard Alley

Note that these lectures by Professor Alley are based on evidence from a broad range of published research from different fields. Alley is not just pulling 'opinions' out of his butt.
 
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Originally Posted by Militant_Vegan_ View Post
so what if your air and water get polluted like China's.

CO2 isn't pollution. Are you breathing pollution out of your mouth?

Assuming he talks the same as he writes here that's a very stupid question.
 
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Hard to claim that vegetation will grow faster to our benefit when we're also deforesting the entire planet at the same time.

Real logical.

The issue is CO2, not deforestation, pollution, "Oh look, a squirrel",
or anything else you might come up with in order to change the
subject and not discuss what CO2 is or isn't.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...arbon-dioxide-threshold-permanently?CMP=fb_gu

That all but ensures that 2016 will be the year that carbon dioxide officially passed the symbolic 400 ppm mark, never to return below it in our lifetimes, according to scientists.

Inevitable, but still a sad day. We're really in uncharted territory now.

That's a pretty stupid scientist if (s)he believes it's impossible to go back below 400 ppm.

We knew this was coming, where CO2 levels have been increasing. Whoop-t-do....
 
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