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Jack Hays said:
Until phrases like "climate truther conspiracy blogs" and "climate truther dopes" disappear from your posts, you're just another whining AGW propagandist.
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Until all the copy and pasted click-bait spam posts promoting climate truther blogs disappear from your posts on this subforum, you're just another ideologically motivated evangelical scientifically illiterate climate truther conspiracy swallowing gullible dopey parrot. :D
 
Deuce said:
I was merely refuting the post where you claimed otherwise. We've only been talking about it this long because you stubbornly refuse to admit it. Even now, you barely admit it.

It was also the focus of the WUWT article you posted.
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Unimportant.
 
Quaestio said:
Until all the copy and pasted click-bait spam posts promoting climate truther blogs disappear from your posts on this subforum, you're just another ideologically motivated evangelical scientifically illiterate climate truther dopey parrot. :D
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For the record, I'm agnostic, and you're dodging the data.
 
Jack Hays said:
For the record, I'm agnostic, and you're dodging the data.
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You fanatically copy and paste pseudoscience crap from climate truther blogs with evangelical zeal, and faithfully believe whatever silly nonsense they claim without any scepticism or fact-checking. And you're dodging the fact that the whole earth cannot be represented by local Greenland icesheet data and that the global average temperature has never been minus 50C at any time during the past 22,000 years.
 
Quaestio said:
You fanatically copy and paste pseudoscience crap from climate truther blogs with evangelical zeal, and faithfully believe whatever silly nonsense they claim without any scepticism or fact-checking. And you're dodging the fact that the whole earth cannot be represented by local Greenland icesheet data and that the global average temperature has never been minus 50C at any time during the past 22,000 years.
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Your claims (originally posted in #69) are false.
 
Jack Hays said:
Your claims (originally posted in #69) are false.
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Jack, I realise it's extremely difficult for you actually read or do any fact checking of your climate truther blog click-bait spam links for yourself, as you apparently need to believe the climate truther blogs that you evangelize so fanatically are telling you "The Truth".
Unfortunately that means that you actually believe that the average temperature of the whole earth really is the same as the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice sheet. But if that's what you really need to believe to get you through the day, go right ahead. Just know that it makes you look like a zealous dopey unsceptical scientifically illiterate gullible parrot. :shock:
 
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Quaestio said:
Jack, I realise it's extremely difficult for you actually read or do any fact checking of your climate truther blog click-bait spam links for yourself, as you apparently need to believe the climate truther blogs that you evangelize so fanatically are telling you "The Truth".
Unfortunately that means that you actually believe that the average temperature of the whole earth really is the same as the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice sheet. But if that's what you really need to believe to get you through the day, go right ahead. Just know that it makes you look like a zealous dopey unsceptical scientifically illiterate gullible parrot. :shock:
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That would be a problem if your claim were true. It is not.
 
Jack Hays said:
That would be a problem if your claim were true. It is not.
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So you are seriously claiming that the cartoonist Josh DIDN'T use Richard Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice-core data despite the fact that he has written it as a 'source' under his cartoon on WUWT?

Jack, you need to get yourself right with the "THE TRUTH" according to the Gospel of Watts or you could be accused of proselytizing and evangelizing false climate truther dogma. :shock:
 
Quaestio said:
So you are seriously claiming that the cartoonist Josh DIDN'T use Richard Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice-core data despite the fact that he has written it as a 'source' under his cartoon on WUWT?

Jack, you need to get yourself right with the "THE TRUTH" according to the Gospel of Watts or you could be accused of proselytizing and evangelizing false climate truther dogma. :shock:
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The Alley data is used appropriately and not in isolation. The error is yours.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Alley data is used appropriately and not in isolation. The error is yours.
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Nope. It's misused inappropriately as a proxy for average global temperature.

But that's okay Jack, you go right on gullibly believing and evangelizing whatever the Gospel of Watts tells you like a good little climate truther zealot, no matter how ridiculous and impossible it is.
 
Quaestio said:
Nope. It's misused inappropriately as a proxy for average global temperature.

But that's okay Jack, you go right on gullibly believing and evangelizing whatever the Gospel of Watts tells you like a good little climate truther zealot, no matter how ridiculous and impossible it is.
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The issue was recognized and addressed at WUWT. You might have noticed had you not been so eager to sneer. From the "comments" we have this exchange (among others).

It is a clear mistake to think that Greenland temperatures represent Holocene global temperatures. On top of that GISP and GRIP are not corrected for altitude changes, that Bo Vinther demonstrated in 2009 was essential. But that’s OK, almost everybody at both sides of the debate is just happy to find a curve that represents their beliefs and don’t give a damn about how correct it is.

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  • Moa
    September 20, 2016 at 3:31 pm
    A fair enough point. but when you add in stalactite growth in Oman and New Zealand etc etc etc you see that the Greenland data are not too far off what was seen globally.
    Furthermore, the Minoan, Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, as well as the Little Ice Age were real based on contemporary accounts and archeological evidence.
 
Jack Hays said:
The issue was recognized and addressed at WUWT. You might have noticed had you not been so eager to sneer. From the "comments" we have this exchange (among others).

It is a clear mistake to think that Greenland temperatures represent Holocene global temperatures. On top of that GISP and GRIP are not corrected for altitude changes, that Bo Vinther demonstrated in 2009 was essential. But that’s OK, almost everybody at both sides of the debate is just happy to find a curve that represents their beliefs and don’t give a damn about how correct it is.

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  • Moa
    September 20, 2016 at 3:31 pm
    A fair enough point. but when you add in stalactite growth in Oman and New Zealand etc etc etc you see that the Greenland data are not too far off what was seen globally.
    Furthermore, the Minoan, Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, as well as the Little Ice Age were real based on contemporary accounts and archeological evidence.
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LOL.

Jack's evidence is the WUWT comments section.

That's like consulting the local psychiatric hospital residents fot tips on local fine dining establishments.
 
Jack Hays said:
The issue was recognized and addressed at WUWT. You might have noticed had you not been so eager to sneer. From the "comments" we have this exchange (among others).

It is a clear mistake to think that Greenland temperatures represent Holocene global temperatures. On top of that GISP and GRIP are not corrected for altitude changes, that Bo Vinther demonstrated in 2009 was essential. But that’s OK, almost everybody at both sides of the debate is just happy to find a curve that represents their beliefs and don’t give a damn about how correct it is.

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  • Moa
    September 20, 2016 at 3:31 pm
    A fair enough point. but when you add in stalactite growth in Oman and New Zealand etc etc etc you see that the Greenland data are not too far off what was seen globally.
    Furthermore, the Minoan, Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, as well as the Little Ice Age were real based on contemporary accounts and archeological evidence.
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Wait...What??? :shock: You seriously believe an anonymous commenter at WUWT who posts his ridiculous belief that the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice-sheet is "not too far off what was seen globally" is something that helps your case? This is so totally moronic, it's hard to believe you actually posted it. But you did. :3oops:

Do you need me to post Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice-core data yet again?

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pa...gisp2/isotopes/gisp2_temp_accum_alley2000.txt

Note that the GISP2 ice-core temperature data ranges between about -29C to -53C. Do you know what a 'minus' sign is Jack?
Do you have any idea what the global average temperature currently is Jack? About 15C.

Try to take off the tin foil hat and engage your brain for a moment Jack. I'm not 'sneering', I'm laughing my arse off.
 
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Threegoofs said:
LOL.

Jack's evidence is the WUWT comments section.

That's like consulting the local psychiatric hospital residents fot tips on local fine dining establishments.
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I'm gobsmacked that he seriously believes the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice-sheet is anything at all like the global average temperature of the whole earth. He showed he was willing to believe this before with a faked graph from Slayer Tim Ball on WUWT. It's like talking with a Creationist zealot who truly believes the earth is only about 6000 years old. :shock:
 
Quaestio said:
I'm gobsmacked that he seriously believes the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice-sheet is anything at all like the global average temperature of the whole earth. He showed he was willing to believe this before with a faked graph from Slayer Tim Ball on WUWT. It's like talking with a Creationist zealot who truly believes the earth is only about 6000 years old. :shock:
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Are you saying that he is arguing that the temperature is the same or that the temperature changes are roughly the same?

Obviously it's the changes in the temperature that are being argued. Each of the proxies will reflect the temperature there. The is after all nowhere which has the average climate of the earth.
 
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Tim the plumber said:

Are you saying that he is arguingthat the temperature is the same or that the temperature changes are roughly the same?

Obviously it's the changes in the temperature that are being argued. Each of the proxies will reflect the temperature there. The is after all nowhere which has the average climate of the earth.
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Well, PAGES 2K did a pretty good job. Marcott too, not to mention Mann et al who started the whole thing.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, PAGES 2K did a pretty good job. Marcott too, not to mention Mann et al who started the whole thing.
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Good job of what???

Where is the place that has the average climate on earth??? Such an idea is none-sense.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Good job of what???

Where is the place that has the average climate on earth??? Such an idea is none-sense.
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The earth.

That's the place that has the average climate on earth.

I think I'm beginning to see the problem. You don't know what 'average' means!
 
Quaestio said:
Wait...What??? :shock: You seriously believe an anonymous commenter at WUWT who posts his ridiculous belief that the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice-sheet is "not too far off what was seen globally" is something that helps your case? This is so totally moronic, it's hard to believe you actually posted it. But you did. :3oops:

Do you need me to post Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice-core data yet again?

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pa...gisp2/isotopes/gisp2_temp_accum_alley2000.txt

Note that the GISP2 ice-core temperature data ranges between about -29C to -53C. Do you know what a 'minus' sign is Jack?
Do you have any idea what the global average temperature currently is Jack? About 15C.

Try to take off the tin foil hat and engage your brain for a moment Jack. I'm not 'sneering', I'm laughing my arse off.
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Note also that the Annan & Hargreaves 2013 paper (which Josh also misused) has global average temperatures during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) at about 4C colder than present. So the global average temperature would have been about 10C to 11C depending on when they define 'present'. During the LGM, huge ice sheets covered most of Northern America, Northern Europe and Asia.

Annan & Hargreaves 2013
http://www.clim-past.net/9/367/2013/cp-9-367-2013.pdf
 
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I sometimes wonder how some of these climate truthers even manage to tie their shoelaces?
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.

Jack's evidence is the WUWT comments section.

That's like consulting the local psychiatric hospital residents fot tips on local fine dining establishments.
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Quaestio said:
Wait...What??? :shock: You seriously believe an anonymous commenter at WUWT who posts his ridiculous belief that the temperature at the top of the Greenland ice-sheet is "not too far off what was seen globally" is something that helps your case? This is so totally moronic, it's hard to believe you actually posted it. But you did. :3oops:

Do you need me to post Alley's GISP2 Greenland ice-core data yet again?

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pa...gisp2/isotopes/gisp2_temp_accum_alley2000.txt

Note that the GISP2 ice-core temperature data ranges between about -29C to -53C. Do you know what a 'minus' sign is Jack?
Do you have any idea what the global average temperature currently is Jack? About 15C.

Try to take off the tin foil hat and engage your brain for a moment Jack. I'm not 'sneering', I'm laughing my arse off.
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If you two gentlemen were to actually read how the data was used you would see how silly are your claims and, in the larger sense, how false is your argument.
 
Jack Hays said:
If you two gentlemen were to actually read how the data was used you would see how silly are your claims and, in the larger sense, how false is your argument.
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Yes- clearly central Greenland temps are quite similar to average temps around the world, and to back that up, you've got testimony from a denier in the comments section of a blog.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yes- clearly central Greenland temps are quite similar to average temps around the world, and to back that up, you've got testimony from a denier in the comments section of a blog.
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It's not used in isolation.
 
Jack Hays said:
If you two gentlemen were to actually read how the data was used you would see how silly are your claims and, in the larger sense, how false is your argument.
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You're just spinning bullshyte now to try to save face.
 
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