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Lewandowsky and Mann on Stifling Debate

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The warmists' drift toward authoritarian climate coercion is now widespread. We've seen the drive to criminalize dissent, then taxes on babies, and then a call for war powers to dictate climate action. Now comes guidance on how to manipulate debate out of existence, a la Brave New World or 1984. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

A new paper, Science and the Public: Debate, Denial, and Skepticism, has appeared in the Journal of Social and Political Psychology, whose URL psychopen may be interpreted in more than one way.The authors are award-winning charlatan Stephan Lewandowsky and widely-respected fraud Michael Mann, with Nicholas Brown and Harris Friedman on board to give the venture some credibility. (If it achieves nothing else, the exercise will go down as a model for how pseudoscientists might fruitfully work with experts from outside the pseudoscience world.)
Alas, the article itself is basically a vehicle for Lewandowsky to increase his self-fertilisation index while regurgitating the familiar prejudices. It adds precisely zero to the climate conversation—something of a personal best for Steve, who’s better known for subtracting from it. As such we doubt this particular piece will be retracted. That it will be universally detracted, however, is on the cards.The article climaxes with a patronizing list of guidelines for members of the public on how to communicate with academics. This is followed by a less-patronizing version for academics in case they ever wish to communicate in the other direction for some reason.The authors put the central problem thus:How can scientists facilitate debate but resist denial?
In other words: How do we host a big debate without risking the Negative team showing up? . . . .LEWANDOWSKY AND MANN IN PSYCHO PEN

Posted on 21 Aug 16 by SCEPTICUS 30 Comments
 
The warmists' drift toward authoritarian climate coercion is now widespread. We've seen the drive to criminalize dissent, then taxes on babies, and then a call for war powers to dictate climate action. Now comes guidance on how to manipulate debate out of existence, a la Brave New World or 1984. The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Whoever is paying you, they should get a refund.
 
[h=1]A Dummies’ Guide to ‘Debate, Denial and Doubt’ by Dummies, for Dummies[/h]Posted on 23 Aug 16 by BRAD KEYES 2 Comments
We hope you enjoyed our initial reax to Lewandowsky, Mann et al.’s latest exertion, Science and the Public: Debate, Denial, and Skepticism. In the end, though, you’re a normal person, so you lack the requisite psychoclimatological competence to sound the abysmal brilliance of a Lewandowsky/Mann collab for yourself. You’ll just have to take our word … Continue reading
 
[h=1]Sou’s Ruse Slews Lew (Apologies Dr Seuss)[/h]Posted on 26 Aug 16 by GEOFF CHAMBERS 19 Comments
This article, like the last two here, is about this important article (Lewandowsky, Mann, Brown, Friedman). If you haven’t been following, Lew has been standing by his Mann, and together they’ve been throwing up smokescreens around their troubled oeuvres. Their first campaign enlisted three innocent medical researchers as fellow resistance fighters in the subterranean war … Continue
 
[h=1]“The Need for Vigorous Debate”[/h]Posted on 02 Sep 16 by PAUL MATTHEWS 4 Comments
“The Need for Vigorous Debate” is the title of one of the section headings of Lewandowsky et al’s latest masterpiece of smears, misleading claims and hypocritical self-contradictions. There are so many examples of their lack of self-awareness, including two nicely lampooned in Brad’s recent post — the recommendation to avoid questioning motives, in a paper … Continue
 
Yet another edition of:

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Yet another edition of:

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I was reading some old threads on this forum. It was much more interesting to read back then without the constant annoying interruptions of Jack's mindless click-bait blog spam posts promoting a climate truther blog like WUWT. Is he a a crazy old uncle relative of the forum owner or something? I don't know any other forum that would allow someone to flood a subforum with so many copy and paste promotional posts.
 
I was reading some old threads on this forum. It was much more interesting to read back then without the constant annoying interruptions of Jack's mindless click-bait blog spam posts promoting a climate truther blog like WUWT. Is he a a crazy old uncle relative of the forum owner or something? I don't know any other forum that would allow someone to flood a subforum with so many copy and paste promotional posts.

There is not a single WUWT post in this thread.
 
1) What makes Mann a "fraud"?

2) Considering it contains nothing of substance other than a bunch of baseless assertions, what is the purpose of this article, other than to aggravate?
 
1) What makes Mann a "fraud"?

2) Considering it contains nothing of substance other than a bunch of baseless assertions, what is the purpose of this article, other than to aggravate?

His claim to be a Nobel Prize winner would be a good place to start.
 
Can you source me to where Mann made that claim?
 
Can you source me to where Mann made that claim?

The claim seems to be sourced from really reliable and reputable sources like.... climate truther conspiracy blogs and trash conservative press. ;)
 
The claim seems to be sourced from really reliable and reputable sources like.... climate truther conspiracy blogs and trash conservative press. ;)

That and his court documents;

| National Review

That's where he was sueing for defimation after being called a troturer of data but the case has stopped after no other scientist is willing to back him up on the stand.
 
The claim seems to be sourced from really reliable and reputable sources like.... climate truther conspiracy blogs and trash conservative press. ;)

I see you have nothing intellectual to say...
 
That and his court documents;

| National Review

That's where he was sueing for defimation after being called a troturer of data but the case has stopped after no other scientist is willing to back him up on the stand.
LIke I said, trash conservative press.
 
I see you have nothing intellectual to say...
Would you even recognise anything 'intellectual' (or even honest or factual) after reading so many climate truther conspiracy blogs for so many years?
 
Not really, since it's someone else claiming he made the claim.

Do you have a primary source of his making the claim?
How about his University,
Michael E. Mann ? Penn State Meteorology and Atmospheric Science
Under Awards and Honors
2007 Contributed (with other IPCC report authors) to the award of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize
I heard he had to change the wording in his Curriculum Vitae, to reflect the fact that he is not a Nobel prize winner.
Also his own page from 2012
https://johnosullivan.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/mann-psu-bio-before-libel1.jpg
 
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Looking through wayback machine archives of Mann's Penn State website, here's the statement from the oldest Mann CV I can find:

2007 Co-awarded (along with several hundred other scientists) the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for involvement in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (lead author of chapter 2 of the Third Assessment Report, 2001)

Don't really see that as him saying he was a Nobel winner, just a part of the IPCC's selection. None of the above is "a lie", at the very least.

Does anyone have any other examples, or is this the only "lie" Mann has every made?
 
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