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Environmentalist Genocide: How the Ban on DDT Caused 50 Million Malaria Deaths Worldw

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jmotivator said:
"May pose risk" ... yeah, keep trying 3G!

I only listen to those whack jobs at the World Health Organization.

WHO | WHO gives indoor use of DDT a clean bill of health for controlling malaria
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Good to know.

You'll be really interested in this, then.

WHO | Climate change and health

Over the last 50 years, human activities – particularly the burning of fossil fuels – have released sufficient quantities of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to trap additional heat in the lower atmosphere and affect the global climate.

In the last 130 years, the world has warmed by approximately 0.85oC. Each of the last 3 decades has been successively warmer than any preceding decade since 18501.

Sea levels are rising, glaciers are melting and precipitation patterns are changing. Extreme weather events are becoming more intense and frequent.
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Threegoofs said:
I guess you just dismissed your source.
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Nope. Like I said, they had a change of direction with DDT in 2006, and they'll recognize their error in CAGW eventually as well.

You don't have to agree with all positions taken by a source to use it as a source.
 
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Mithrae said:
Could do with more nuance, but that'd definitely be a good start. Struggling farmers in Ethiopia (or outback Australia) might need assistance during a drought, for example. And there are certain directions it'd be nice to see agriculture going, though subsidies may rarely or never be the best way to go about it: Encouraging people to eat chicken instead of beef for example, since at least it's more efficient land use for those (like me) who simply can't live without meat :lol: Fish perhaps even moreso; depletion of wild fisheries remains a major concern, but offshore aquaculture could be the next big thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_aquaculture
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I sort of agree. (Wow!!! Erm, steady, where are we going with this??)

But I think the price of allowing some sensable help for real situations of highly unusual weather or what ever would inevitably be that the western farming lobby would get back all the market twisting subsidies the use th milk the world's poor out of any chance of advancing and often even eating.
 
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Those paying attention will see over and over again the elite making claims of knowledge that they dont have, usually insisting that their claims are backed by science and other investigation when they are not. The feminists for instance have done this repeatedly, and have actually done their best to prevent science from looking into matters where they are either not sure science will agree with them or else they are sure that science will not agree with them. We as citizens need to be more vigilant about examining the claims that the elite make, all of them. And when ever the government says they have to take something away from us for "SAFETY!" based upon past performance (the lies this government has told us plus the general tendencies of power to turn into tyranny if not constrained) we should assume that they are lying until they prove otherwise. It is time to take some action against the states habit of abusing us citizens, their constant grabs for power which go hand in hand with their constant attempts to play nanny. We are not children, we are the boss, something that our government has forgotten and needs to be reeducated on.

BTW I have also read claims that the removal of DDT is responsible for the rise of bedbugs, a pest that we once had under very good control, claims that we need to bring DDT back for this job because even after all these years we still have nothing that works as well. I am most of the way convinced.
 
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Deuce said:
you've never once substantiated this claim. Every source I can find says you're massively overshooting the number.



Absolutely ludicrous. If this were the case, we'd have expected to see an exponential increase in starvation deaths as biofuel use increased from zero. Instead, starvation deaths have decreased steadily for decades.


People who spend their whole lives fighting hunger say that today, starvation is mostly a result of armed conflicts in impoverished regions. You're going to need something better to support your 90% figure than, well, pulling it out of your ass. Which is absolutely what you did.
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If the governments promoting biofuels do not reverse their policies, the humanitarian impact will be greater than that of the Iraq war. Millions will be displaced, hundreds of millions more could go hungry. This crime against humanity is a complex one, but that neither lessens nor excuses it. If people starve because of biofuels, Ruth Kelly and her peers will have killed them. Like all such crimes, it is perpetrated by cowards, attacking the weak to avoid confronting the strong.
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George Monbiot: The western appetite for biofuels is causing starvation in the poor world | Opinion | The Guardian

Jean Ziegler: The mechanisms that cause death by starvation are all human-caused reasons. The main reason for this daily massacre is speculation on the food market. Half of the global population lives in cities, where food is not produced. According to World Bank data, 1.2 billion humans are "extremely poor." If the corn price were to explode again, like it did in the past two years by 63 percent, then these people will die because they cannot pay these prices.
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Jean Ziegler: ?Biofuels a big cause of famine? | Globalization | DW.COM | 01.05.2013

Is that a start for you?

If you want more just type Biofuels causing starvation into google.
 
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jmotivator said:
The effect on the environment is dependent on how DDT is used. The effective use of DDT in third world countries is in treating upper interior walls where mosquitoes land, drastically reducing the mosquitoes that enter the home during times when mosquitoes feed.

It was this application that was limited for fear that DDT in the home would give children cancer.



Good thing we aren't talking about the indiscriminate use of DDT. We are talking about the use of DDT that specifically targets when and where mosquitoes tend to target humans.



No it isn't. Because the use of DDT to stop the spread of malaria was not the use that would cause environmental harm. You are talking about the use of DDT in farming and agriculture which required large area spraying.



No, I think you are being dishonest in trying to mix agricultural and domestic use of DDT as it suits you.




And still, DDT use had a significant effect on malaria rates in Africa, which then began to climb after the use was curtailed. Your source also exposes the issue with how the DDT use was ended by teh WHO without any official proclamation. The DDT malaria control protocols in the third world were run by the WHO world wide. When DDT was called into question by Rachel Carson's book the WHO stop the direct administration of DDT protocols and left it to local AID groups to administer which often had neither the funds or manpower to implement. This reduction/end of DDT malaria protocols in Africa resulted in an increase in malaria rates in Africa.

Nobody has claimed anything other than the end of malaria protocols lead to increased death by malaria in the third world, which is true. POinting out places where it didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact, by your own evidence, the place where malaria transmission was most intense (Sub Saharan Africa) is where the end of DDT use resulted in increased death rates. Shocker!




You provided the evidence. Or are supposed to wave it off because it only really hit Africa?

"Call off the dogs, guys! The end of DDT as a malaria control only really hit Africans! *shew!*"
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Well you're four for four on ducking and dodging my questions and you've still provided no evidence, so I guess we're done here.
 
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Mithrae said:
Well you're four for four on ducking and dodging my questions and you've still provided no evidence, so I guess we're done here.
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I commented on your evidence. If you can't defend it then I agree, we are done here.
 
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