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Consensus on Consensus

Considering your expressed disdain with real science and real scientists, I'm not sure what alternatives you think would work as a substitute.

I'm sorry you believe that. I have repeatedly said it is the pundits that misrepresent the science that I argue against.

I followed the links to the study on the consensus. I don't remember anything it says that I disagree with. However, the people who report on it then misrepresent what it says.

I guess those of you who listen to the pundits instead of reading the actual science are clueless to such facts.

The scientist who made the remark is portrayed out of context by the left wing rag. The study no place explicitly or implicitly implies:


The study also shows that the higher the level of expertise in climate science, the higher the agreement that global warming is caused by humans

"Is caused by" leaves out the proper scientific skepticism of how much is by nature, and how much by man.

The quote by Green does not justify the lie by Think progress.

Here is her credentials:

Sarah A. Green | Chemistry at Michigan Tech

Funny how that is the best quote of how ever much they interviewed her for. Real now: “The consensus on consensus is very strong.” hat's it? Well hell yes. Count me as part of the 97%, which should be 100%, that we have a hand in climate change!

Don't you see...

I am laughing a the idiots that consider "Think Progress" has any reporting integrity a all!

The science is sound. The public is simply lied to about the limitations of what the science really says.

Now when some novice like yourself goes off implying I am a creationist, because the are too ignorant of what I said...

How about stepping up your game... From a game to real science please.
 
I'm sorry you believe that. I have repeatedly said it is the pundits that misrepresent the science that I argue against.
How about stepping up your game... From a game to real science please.

I wish to heck I were young enough to be a novice.

The theory of anthropogenic climate change was first postulated in 1896 by Svante Arrheniu, a Swedish scientist. Link: History of the greenhouse effect and global warming

From that article on him:

"... He and Thomas Chamberlin calculated that human activities could warm the earth by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere."

My point in quoting him is human activities were part of the original theory, and have been a part of it for 120 years. It was understood throughout its development they were investigating whether human industrial effects could have an effect on the global climate, that's been part of the premise all along and observations have bore that premise out.

You laugh at idiots because you have an "aha! a problem" someone claimed that has actually been a part of the study for 120 years.

You, sir, have not done your homework here.
 
I wish to heck I were young enough to be a novice.
Well, you are speaking of science like an amateur.

The theory of anthropogenic climate change was first postulated in 1896 by Svante Arrheniu, a Swedish scientist. Link: History of the greenhouse effect and global warming

From that article on him:

"... He and Thomas Chamberlin calculated that human activities could warm the earth by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere."
Trust me, I know the science far better than you. It is obvious by the punditry type answers you give.

Yes. CO2 causes more warming. Please wrap your head around the fact I do not dispute the science itself. Just how people spin it.

My point in quoting him is human activities were part of the original theory, and have been a part of it for 120 years. It was understood throughout its development they were investigating whether human industrial effects could have an effect on the global climate, that's been part of the premise all along and observations have bore that premise out.
You are ASSuming I don't know such things already.

You laugh at idiots because you have an "aha! a problem" someone claimed that has actually been a part of the study for 120 years.
My God.

You are ignorant in your assumptions. Is that your strawman defense? Argue against something I didn't say or imply?

How juvenile...
You, sir, have not done your homework here.
Yes I have. You severely failed in yours.
 
Well, you are speaking of science like an amateur.


Trust me, I know the science far better than you. It is obvious by the punditry type answers you give.

Of course you expect me to reasonably "trust you" because you, a random person I don't know, told me to trust you.

And of course I'm an amateur. I grasp the fundamentals, I understand the complex interaction of several systems that themselves are quite complex. I also have an inquisitive mind and a knack for logic and deduction. Unfortunately, that knack is kinda knocking hard on some alarm bells at particular behaviors of yours, particularly mis-representing your own words and actions.


Yes. CO2 causes more warming. Please wrap your head around the fact I do not dispute the science itself. Just how people spin it.


You are ASSuming I don't know such things already.

I don't need to ASSume it already. You already established you deny there was a solid investigation specifically on the man-caused effects on climate change here:

"Is caused by" leaves out the proper scientific skepticism of how much is by nature, and how much by man.

When, as I attempted to enlighten you, but unfortunately its gone right over your head, the entire theory developed over 120 years has focused on anthropogenic causes only. This little important tidbit would have saved you a lot of trouble in disputing the reported findings that have been coming out the past 29 years or so which closely match predictions. Some aspects of the predicted change are happening faster than expected, others not as fast but on the whole, the observations match the predictions.

Maybe you were tired, maybe you need more coffee, but you denied the essential premise the theory development and research was built around over 120 years was adequately addressed, and when I replied with an attempt to enlighten you that it was the case that the entire theory was developed around human-caused climate change only, you threw a hissy fit and declared you already knew that and didn't need to be reminded. And yet you are stuck believing that wasn't actually considered.

You're in some sort of weird self-inconsistent logical circle. Adding embarrassingly hollow boasts about your mastery of science along with a belief random strangers should trust you just because you tell them they should whilst also flubbing basic logic does not help my level of respect for your 'mastery.'

But, I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt. Tired and/or out of coffee?
 
I wish to heck I were young enough to be a novice.

The theory of anthropogenic climate change was first postulated in 1896 by Svante Arrheniu, a Swedish scientist. Link: History of the greenhouse effect and global warming

From that article on him:

"... He and Thomas Chamberlin calculated that human activities could warm the earth by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere."

My point in quoting him is human activities were part of the original theory, and have been a part of it for 120 years. It was understood throughout its development they were investigating whether human industrial effects could have an effect on the global climate, that's been part of the premise all along and observations have bore that premise out.

You laugh at idiots because you have an "aha! a problem" someone claimed that has actually been a part of the study for 120 years.

You, sir, have not done your homework here.
If you want to talk about Svante Arrhenius, You should perhaps spell his name correctly,
and maybe cite his actual paper.
http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
 
Of course you expect me to reasonably "trust you" because you, a random person I don't know, told me to trust you.
I don't expect you t trust me, but my laughing at an article from Think Progress is not deserving of you coming back implying a creationist would have good material for me. Think Progress and the creationist are both low on the credibility list.

And of course I'm an amateur. I grasp the fundamentals, I understand the complex interaction of several systems that themselves are quite complex. I also have an inquisitive mind and a knack for logic and deduction.
Then I hope you consider my words when I do actually explain things.

I read journals. I have several subscriptions to journals, and read what the science says, rather than what some activist reporter from a punditry site like Think progress says. If you watch, will rarely link material outside of a peer reviewed paper.

My beliefs are my own, based on my solid understanding of the sciences, and several years studying the topics related to climate. I do not parrot what others say like most the warmers here.

Unfortunately, that knack is kinda knocking hard on some alarm bells at particular behaviors of yours, particularly mis-representing your own words and actions.
If yo say sio...
I don't need to ASSume it already. You already established you deny there was a solid investigation specifically on the man-caused effects on climate change here:
Then you have a severe comprehension problem.

Mankind has a profound effect of the climate. Please remove your confirmation bias, and read what I say. Not what you are already prejudiced into thinking I mean.

When, as I attempted to enlighten you, but unfortunately its gone right over your head, the entire theory developed over 120 years has focused on anthropogenic causes only.
Trust me. I have read such things before, and I was rather annoyed that you took things to a first grade level, when am so far ahead of that. So, I ignored that part of your material.

rather than link something you expect to school me with, why not determin if I already know it?

I hate repetitive things. I don't need such presentations thrown in my face when there is more than those basics.

This little important tidbit would have saved you a lot of trouble in disputing the reported findings that have been coming out the past 29 years or so which closely match predictions. Some aspects of the predicted change are happening faster than expected, others not as fast but on the whole, the observations match the predictions.
Anything with a trend can be correlated with another trend.

If you think its funny to throw information overload at someone, then I will start ignoring you. i don't need to read beginners material when I am so much farther along than that. If you think something is reverent, then quote that part of it, and explain why.

If you expect someone to read the entire link you post, you are batty. I have better things t do than waste my time searching for what you think is pertinent.

Maybe you were tired, maybe you need more coffee, but you denied the essential premise the theory development and research was built around over 120 years was adequately addressed, and when I replied with an attempt to enlighten you that it was the case that the entire theory was developed around human-caused climate change only, you threw a hissy fit and declared you already knew that and didn't need to be reminded. And yet you are stuck believing that wasn't actually considered.
I didn't deny but one specific aspect. Maybe you should reread my remarks, and tell me specifically what you think I denied.

Maybe you need to smll the coffee...

You're in some sort of weird self-inconsistent logical circle. Adding embarrassingly hollow boasts about your mastery of science along with a belief random strangers should trust you just because you tell them they should whilst also flubbing basic logic does not help my level of respect for your 'mastery.'

But, I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt. Tired and/or out of coffee?
All these accusations,but no specific facts to claim?

Please...
Please don't be a flamebaiter or a troll. We have too many here already.
 
A key paragraph:

"The study also shows that the higher the level of expertise in climate science, the higher the agreement that global warming is caused by humans. “The consensus on consensus is very strong,” said Sarah A. Green, co-author and professor at Michigan Technological University, in an interview with ThinkProgress. “For me, this topic is deja vu — this consensus has been growing since I was a graduate student in the 80s.”'

The consensus of course isn't the same, and may be even a mirror opposite, in a forum dominated by amateurs who share a political bias.

No claim associated with Nuccitelli or Lewandowsky has any credibility.
 
The claimants are thoroughly discredited so their claim is meaningless.

Ad hominems don't work that way. The claim has separate life from the claimants when there is supporting data and, in this case, has separate endorsers.
 
Ad hominems don't work that way. The claim has separate life from the claimants when there is supporting data and, in this case, has separate endorsers.

I really don't care. They're thoroughly discredited and they spread fraud to everyone and everything they touch.
 
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