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Climate Change- Worst case scenario

longview said:
I think Mann is saying that Hansen's claims conflict with what he believes is the mainstream
Climate Science. Basically that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
My point is that is Mann is skeptical, Hansen must REALLY be on the fringe.
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Yet you have no real clue how mainstream Mann actually is.

Why don't you go work on your paper outlining how the solar peak in 1958 is causing the warming in 2016. The scientific world awaits your amateur interpretation with anticipation.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yet you have no real clue how mainstream Mann actually is.

Why don't you go work on your paper outlining how the solar peak in 1958 is causing the warming in 2016. The scientific world awaits your amateur interpretation with anticipation.
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And again you missed the point, that is Mann things Hansen's paper is on the
fringe, the Hansen is really out there.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, Hansens paper is published- I would expect lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth from the denier blogs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/science/global-warming-sea-level-carbon-dioxide-emissions.html

This was covered in preview last year- it discusses the not unreasonable occurrence of a tipping point in the Ocean currents- accelerating ice melt and triggering flooding.

It's probably too alarmist- but the key word here is 'probably'. These things are not out of the realm of possibility of happening in decades vs centuries. Is it doubtful? Yes. But the simple fact that it's not completely improbable should give people some pause.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cientists-are-wrong-about-the-planets-future/
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AMO
[h=1]Study: There is no real evidence for a diminishing trend of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation[/h] This paper was just published today in the Journal of Ocean Engineering and Science. It seems to be definitive refutation of Mann and Rahmstorf’s claims, and quells the alarm bells that climate proponents have been ringing for years, not just in Mannian science that’s been refuted time and again, but in Hollywood movies like The Day…
 

[h=1]Worldwide tide gauge comparisons show no acceleration in sea level rise[/h] Guest essay by Albert Parker Just in case somebody could be interested in understanding if the climate scientists are telling us the truth about sea level acceleleration, there is still the opportunity to verify by using the tide gauge data in the PSMSL data base. The tide gauges measure the relative sea level in many…
 
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ICCUB Seminar / Nir Shaviv: “The Cosmic Ray climate link – from geological time scales ... Start: 02-18-2016; End: 02-18-2016 ... a major role in climate change.

Abstract: The 20th Century has seen a notable temperature rise,
generally attributed to the greenhouse effect of anthropogenic gases,
and a future "business as usual" policy is generally believed to be
catastrophic. However, significant evidence indicates that the sun plays
a major role in climate change. We will review the evidence which proves
the existence and quantifies the physical mechanism linking between
solar activity and climate—galactic cosmic ray ionization of the
atmosphere and its effect on cloud cover. In particular, we will show
that the link operates on geological time scales, linking our galactic
motion to long term climate variations. We will see that once the link
is taken into account, a much more consistent picture for the 20th
century global warming is obtained. In it, climate sensitivity is low
and future climate change is benign.
 
Threegoofs said:
Thank god. This thread was really missing multiple random denier blog posts.

Now it's complete.
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Sadly still mistaking the aggregator (in three cases) for the source.
--Journal of Ocean Engineering and Science
--Society for General Microbiology
--Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level

And mistaking a science institute for a blog.
--Institute of Space Studies of Catalonia
 
Jack Hays said:

[h=1]Worldwide tide gauge comparisons show no acceleration in sea level rise[/h] Guest essay by Albert Parker Just in case somebody could be interested in understanding if the climate scientists are telling us the truth about sea level acceleleration, there is still the opportunity to verify by using the tide gauge data in the PSMSL data base. The tide gauges measure the relative sea level in many…
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For a total demolition of that crapola, see Open Mind.

For a total demolition of serial liar Albert Parker (if that's even his real name), see earlier Open Mind.
 
Jack Hays said:
I did not anticipate you would be persuaded.
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That's odd. Because I anticipated you would be easily persuaded by any crapola from Denierstan, no matter how obviously devoid of evidence.
 
MrT said:
February of 2016 setting new records as the hottest months on record.
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While February of 2015 was setting records as the coldest month on record across much of the Eastern U.S. and on the low side of average elsewhere.

Hardly what anyone would consider a trend.

Sometimes we get a really hot month, and sometimes it's a really cold month.

That's the variability of climate.

Nothing at all to be alarmed about.
 
Poor Debater said:
And how instructive it is that you can read post #31 and fail to recognize that it is devoid of evidence.
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Those familiar with Shaviv's work have no trouble finding his evidence. The good news is that he's back in circulation after his sabbatical at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton.
 
AMO / Bad science / James Hansen
[h=1]James Hansen’s latest doomsday paper falls flat on its face, grounds his ‘flying boulders’[/h] James Hansen, formerly head of NASA GISS published a new study Tuesday March 22nd in the journal Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, claiming global warming, sea level rise, and severe storms, could be (paraphrasing) “worse than we thought”. Just a 2°C rise would see the world suffering through massive sea level rise and super storms that would hurl…
 
Jack Hays said:
AMO / Bad science / James Hansen
[h=1]James Hansen’s latest doomsday paper falls flat on its face, grounds his ‘flying boulders’[/h] James Hansen, formerly head of NASA GISS published a new study Tuesday March 22nd in the journal Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, claiming global warming, sea level rise, and severe storms, could be (paraphrasing) “worse than we thought”. Just a 2°C rise would see the world suffering through massive sea level rise and super storms that would hurl…
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No surprise here.
 
soot said:
While February of 2015 was setting records as the coldest month on record across much of the Eastern U.S. and on the low side of average elsewhere.

Hardly what anyone would consider a trend.

Sometimes we get a really hot month, and sometimes it's a really cold month.

That's the variability of climate.

Nothing at all to be alarmed about.
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Did you really just try to provide a counter example by citing to a one month period for one part of one country? Seriously? Are you that simplistic?
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, Hansens paper is published- I would expect lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth from the denier blogs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/science/global-warming-sea-level-carbon-dioxide-emissions.html

This was covered in preview last year- it discusses the not unreasonable occurrence of a tipping point in the Ocean currents- accelerating ice melt and triggering flooding.

It's probably too alarmist- but the key word here is 'probably'. These things are not out of the realm of possibility of happening in decades vs centuries. Is it doubtful? Yes. But the simple fact that it's not completely improbable should give people some pause.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cientists-are-wrong-about-the-planets-future/
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Werent you the one claiming Trumps magic is playing on fear? Or was it one of your indistinguishable compadres?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Might happen... under idealistic RCP 8.5 conditions.

And it's still just moddelled.

Garbage in, garbage out!
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You're utilizing the exact same method of logic a liberal did in another thread. Picking out two words out of an entire quote. For the sake of humanity we should reject the mythologies spewed by the right (and most corrupt elements of the centre-right aka liberals), this is backed by SCIENCE, not liberalism or conservatism.
 
Dammit! We've already lost the last polar bear. New York is under water. England has been uninhabitable since 2011. We already had our mass migration of Americans into mexico to escape the dustbowls, ice storms and other catastrophes. Hurricanes have hit us with such ever increasing ferocity that the gulf coast states have been destroyed. What more do you want?
 
VanceMack said:
Dammit! We've already lost the last polar bear. New York is under water. England has been uninhabitable since 2011. We already had our mass migration of Americans into mexico to escape the dustbowls, ice storms and other catastrophes. Hurricanes have hit us with such ever increasing ferocity that the gulf coast states have been destroyed.
What more do you want?
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The Co2 Death Star. When will that thing show up? Let's ask Hansen. He knows.
 

Schism on the Left: James Hansen’s climatic ‘canon’ gets fired from a cannon

I never thought the day would comes that I’d be reposting something from David Appell. Yet, here I am, in agreement with him. I keep looking over my shoulder for a lurking quantum singularity or some other such rift in the fabric of spacetime. Appell writes on Quark Soup (bold mine, h/t to Dr. Ryan…
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[h=3]Hyping Hansen’s Paper[/h] Eric Holthaus at Slate wrote:

I’m sorry, but this is complete bull****.
No single paper, by Hansen or anyone else, becomes part of the “canon” a day after it is published. (Nor does it based on the version published in July of last year.) . . . .


 
VanceMack said:
Dammit! We've already lost the last polar bear. New York is under water. England has been uninhabitable since 2011. We already had our mass migration of Americans into mexico to escape the dustbowls, ice storms and other catastrophes. Hurricanes have hit us with such ever increasing ferocity that the gulf coast states have been destroyed. What more do you want?
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Exactly! To those who said that it was utterly impossible to melt significant amounts of Greenland's ice or to shut down the Gulf Stream/North Atlantic convayor with the said not possible vast flows of cold fresh water should look at the evidence befroe their eyes! Deny that!
 
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