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This Is Terrible!

LowDown said:
This is terrible! How can the CAGW crowd impose their political agenda if things are getting better on their own?

Global Carbon Emission Have Been Flat For Two Years Running

Bah! They'll just change the data to fit their agenda. It's not like they haven't done it before.
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So your link shows that remedial efforts are working. Well, that and a slow-down of China's economic growth. Who do you think will call this bad news?
 
Fearandloathing said:
I would also suggest the economic slowdown in China may be a factor as well.
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An aside- China is why I resent all those who automatically protest against anything to do with LNG. China will burn something to generate electricity and I'm sure they'd prefer LNG to coal and I know I do. Yeah, they're 'way over there but it's everyone's air. Ever hear the quip, "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool."? Same thing globally about the air and the oceans.
 
Grand Mal said:
So your link shows that remedial efforts are working. Well, that and a slow-down of China's economic growth. Who do you think will call this bad news?
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Remedial efforts? What remedial efforts? It's just the economy.

Of course it's bad news. How can left wingers enact their agenda without a crisis? The CAGW agenda was meant to put them in power, nothing more.
 
jmotivator said:
More proof that CO2 lags temperature. ;)
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Good Point! It also shows the natural cycles can have many times the influence of
any of the Human caused events.
The El Nino warming for the last 6 months (8/15 .377 to 2/16 .973) a delta of .596 C in .5 years,
would be like a warming of 11.92 C per decade.
Compare this to the IPCC modeled predicted warming of .21 C per decade.
 
LowDown said:
Remedial efforts? What remedial efforts? It's just the economy.

Of course it's bad news. How can left wingers enact their agenda without a crisis? The CAGW agenda was meant to put them in power, nothing more.
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Must be nice, living in such a simple world.
 
jmotivator said:
More proof that CO2 lags temperature. ;)
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longview said:
Good Point! It also shows the natural cycles can have many times the influence of
any of the Human caused events.
The El Nino warming for the last 6 months (8/15 .377 to 2/16 .973) a delta of .596 C in .5 years,
would be like a warming of 11.92 C per decade.
Compare this to the IPCC modeled predicted warming of .21 C per decade.
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Yes, they most certainly can do that at times.

Why, asteroid impacts can even cause ice ages.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, they most certainly can do that at times.

Why, asteroid impacts can even cause ice ages.
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Your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze.
Much of the shroud waving and alarmist hype for AGW is based on the
roughly 20 year warming observed from 1978 to 1998, which ended with a very strong El Nino.
If the 1998 El Nino was excluded as a known natural cycle, the baseline warming would be much less.
The comparison with and without 1998 is extreme.
RSS 1979 12 month average anomaly temp -.094 C
RSS 1998 12 month average anomaly temp .550 C
Delta .64 C over 1.9 decades is .33 C per decade of warming.
Post El Nino
RSS 1979 12 month average anomaly temp -.094 C
RSS 1999 12 month average anomaly temp .194 C
Delta .288 C over 2 decades is .144 C per decade.
Without the El Nino the rate of warming during the alarming period was less than half.
 
longview said:
Your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze.
Much of the shroud waving and alarmist hype for AGW is based on the
roughly 20 year warming observed from 1978 to 1998, which ended with a very strong El Nino.
If the 1998 El Nino was excluded as a known natural cycle, the baseline warming would be much less.
The comparison with and without 1998 is extreme.
RSS 1979 12 month average anomaly temp -.094 C
RSS 1998 12 month average anomaly temp .550 C
Delta .64 C over 1.9 decades is .33 C per decade of warming.
Post El Nino
RSS 1979 12 month average anomaly temp -.094 C
RSS 1999 12 month average anomaly temp .194 C
Delta .288 C over 2 decades is .144 C per decade.
Without the El Nino the rate of warming during the alarming period was less than half.
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Then how come most graphs I see start in either 1900 or 1980? Seems to me like the whole century is looked at quite a bit.
 
Deuce said:
Then how come most graphs I see start in either 1900 or 1980? Seems to me like the whole century is looked at quite a bit.
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When an article from Nature is describing the PAUSE, let's see what their time frame of reference is.

Climate change: The case of the missing heat : Nature News & Comment
Stark contrast

On a chart of global atmospheric temperatures, the hiatus stands in stark contrast to the rapid warming of the two decades that preceded it. Simulations conducted in advance of the 2013–14 assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggest that the warming should have continued at an average rate of 0.21 °C per decade from 1998 to 2012. Instead, the observed warming during that period was just 0.04 °C per decade, as measured by the UK Met Office in Exeter and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK.
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So the two decades preceding 1998, which is what I showed.
 
LowDown said:
This is terrible! How can the CAGW crowd impose their political agenda if things are getting better on their own?

Global Carbon Emission Have Been Flat For Two Years Running

Bah! They'll just change the data to fit their agenda. It's not like they haven't done it before.
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Don't celebrate too early. Emission output does not mean CO2 will strop growing. If we remain at the current output, CO2 levels will still increase for decades at least, and possibly a hundred or more years, if all other factors remain the same.

jmotivator said:
More proof that CO2 lags temperature. ;)
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Not in this case. It works both ways.

CO2 will increase a minimal temperature change.

Ocean surface temperature changes will cause CO2 changes, as temperature affects the partial pressure equilibrium between the oceans and atmosphere.
 
LowDown said:
This is terrible! How can the CAGW crowd impose their political agenda if things are getting better on their own?

Global Carbon Emission Have Been Flat For Two Years Running

Bah! They'll just change the data to fit their agenda. It's not like they haven't done it before.
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The imminent catastrophe goes on
Not showing many signs of happening.
The ice at the North Pole that should be gone
By now, is awkwardly still lingering,
And though sometimes the weather is extreme
It seems no more so than when we were young
Who soon will hear no more of this grim theme
Reiterated in the special tongue
Of manufactured fright. Sea Level Rise
Will be here soon and could do such-and-such,
Say tenured pundits with unblinking eyes.
Continuing to not go up by much,
The sea supports the sceptics, but they, too,
Lapse into oratory when they predict
The sure collapse of the alarmist view
Like a house of cards, for they could not have picked
A metaphor less suited to their wish.
A house of cards subsides with just a sigh
And all the cards are still there. Feverish
Talk of apocalypse might, by and by,
Die down, but the deep anguish will persist.
His death, and not the Earth’s, is the true fear
That motivates the doomsday fantasist:
There can be no world if he is not here.



Imminent Catastrophe

Posted on 18 Mar 16 by Paul Matthews • 31 Comments
The New Statesman has published this poem by Clive James. The imminent catastrophe goes on Not showing many signs of happening. The ice at the North Pole that should be gone By now, is awkwardly still lingering, And though sometimes the weather is extreme It seems no more so than when we were young … Continue reading →
 
LowDown said:
This is terrible! How can the CAGW crowd impose their political agenda if things are getting better on their own?
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Despite what Alex Jones may have told you, there is no vast conspiracy to impose a political agenda on you. It's just that some people don't play scientist for political purposes.
 
Mr Person said:
Despite what Alex Jones may have told you, there is no vast conspiracy to impose a political agenda on you. It's just that some people don't play scientist for political purposes.
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Yes, but most are more than willing to select the portion of the bell curve of their results, which keeps their paychecks coming in,
and keep their tenure on track.
 
LowDown said:
Remedial efforts? What remedial efforts? It's just the economy.
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Some is the economy, and some is the growth of renewables and nuclear, especially in China.

LowDown said:
Of course it's bad news. How can left wingers enact their agenda without a crisis? The CAGW agenda was meant to put them in power, nothing more.
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Right, sea levels are rising nearly an inch per year in Miami, and it's all a hoax. Sheeesh.
 
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