500m taxpayer dollars down the drain

ludin · Mar 12, 2016

Senators accuse State Dept. of defying Congress with $500M UN climate payment | Fox News

I hope these senator sues them and wins.
they should be sued for defrauding the taxpayer.

the state department should have to pay back from their personal accounts until the 500m dollars is put back.
what a friggen waste.

hey there was 500m dollars to fix several bridges or roads that people are constantly whining about but no it got sent to the UN instead.

WCH · Mar 12, 2016

ludin said:
Senators accuse State Dept. of defying Congress with $500M UN climate payment | Fox News

I hope these senator sues them and wins.
they should be sued for defrauding the taxpayer.

the state department should have to pay back from their personal accounts until the 500m dollars is put back.
what a friggen waste.

hey there was 500m dollars to fix several bridges or roads that people are constantly whining about but no it got sent to the UN instead.

Stop payment on the check!

ludin · Mar 12, 2016

WCH said:
Stop payment on the check!

to late. already cashed and spent.
then people wonder why we don't trust government.

that was 500m that could have fed homeless kids that they were complaining about.
or something else. it's gone into the trash can now.

flogger · Mar 12, 2016

Imagine how many lives in the third world could have been saved with the judicious use of such sums across the globe instead of mitigating phantom future disaster scenarios existing in shonky climate models ?

Lord of Planar · Mar 12, 2016

ludin said:
Senators accuse State Dept. of defying Congress with $500M UN climate payment | Fox News

I hope these senator sues them and wins.
they should be sued for defrauding the taxpayer.

the state department should have to pay back from their personal accounts until the 500m dollars is put back.
what a friggen waste.

hey there was 500m dollars to fix several bridges or roads that people are constantly whining about but no it got sent to the UN instead.

Well, each of these appointed offices do get an annual purse-string attached to spend as they please. As long as they spent the SoS office money, maybe it's a good thing. Less damage Kerry can do else where. Let their experiment blow up in their face!

Lord of Planar · Mar 12, 2016

flogger said:
Imagine how many lives in the third world could have been saved with the judicious use of such sums across the globe instead of mitigating phantom future disaster scenarios existing in shonky climate models ?

Your carbon tax dollars at work:

NY Times: [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/w...am-says-ugandans-were-pushed-out.html?_r=0]In Scramble for Land, Group Says, Company Pushed Ugandans Out[/URL]

Give a third world nation money to plant trees for cash, and they will evict 20,000 people in a heartbeat.

flogger · Mar 12, 2016

Lord of Planar said:
Give a third world nation money to plant trees for cash, and they will evict 20,000 people in a heartbeat.

It is estimated that for less than 5% of the resources squandered on AGW to date every person in the third world would now have access to clean waters via new wells and plumbed standpipes.

Clearly those promoting AGW have a far greater stake in emptying pockets in the west than they do with saving the poor

ludin · Mar 12, 2016

flogger said:
It is estimated that for less than 5% of the resources squandered on AGW to date every person in the third world would now have access to clean waters via new wells and plumbed standpipes.

Clearly those promoting AGW have a far greater stake in emptying pockets in the west than they do with saving the poor

the whole AGW BS is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from the US to 3rd world countries in which it will get wasted and nothing done.

flogger · Mar 12, 2016

ludin said:
the whole AGW BS is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from the US to 3rd world countries in which it will get wasted and nothing done.

It was always about controlling people not climate. You do that and you have all the power and the money. Why else do you think that its always the politicians who are the most shrill on this issue ? :wink:

Deuce · Mar 13, 2016

flogger said:
It is estimated that for less than 5% of the resources squandered on AGW to date every person in the third world would now have access to clean waters via new wells and plumbed standpipes.

Clearly those promoting AGW have a far greater stake in emptying pockets in the west than they do with saving the poor

"It is estimated"

Translation: Pulled a number out of my ass and hope everyone will accept it without question.

flogger · Mar 13, 2016

Deuce said:
"It is estimated"

Translation: Pulled a number out of my ass and hope everyone will accept it without question.

It seems you care more about penalising the rich than benefitting the poor :roll:

Price of Safe Water for All - $10 Billion and the Will to Provide It - NYTimes.com

Since this report and allowing for inflation the cost of providing fresh water for all would today be $14 Billion. This would have saved tens of millions of lives since 2000

2013 - United Nations International Year of Water Cooperation: Facts and Figures

Germany alone has spent 500 billion Euros to date on failed renewable projects aimed at AGW mitigation so the cost collectively of such projects worldwide will run to trillions over the same period.

What a total waste

Deuce · Mar 13, 2016

flogger said:
It seems you care more about penalising the rich than benefitting the poor :roll:

Price of Safe Water for All - $10 Billion and the Will to Provide It - NYTimes.com

Since this report and allowing for inflation the cost of providing fresh water for all would today be $14 Billion. This would have saved tens of millions of lives since 2000

2013 - United Nations International Year of Water Cooperation: Facts and Figures

Germany alone has spent 500 billion Euros to date on failed renewable projects aimed at AGW mitigation so the cost collectively of such projects worldwide will run to trillions over the same period.

What a total waste

How about we split the difference and pull every dime from the DOD instead? After all, money "squandered" in Germany still builds power plants.

flogger · Mar 13, 2016

Deuce said:
How about we split the difference and pull every dime from the DOD instead? After all, money "squandered" in Germany still builds power plants.

Defence spending isn't just going to go away and unlike AGW spending does actually have a tangible benefit. The failed German renewable infrastructure is going to cost as much to replace as it took to build.

The relative cost of addressing the sort of third world issues I mentioned is minute compared with what is spent on the AGW phantom and will directly save lives now . Why aren't you protesting about this ?

Deuce · Mar 14, 2016

flogger said:
Defence spending isn't just going to go away and unlike AGW spending does actually have a tangible benefit. The failed German renewable infrastructure is going to cost as much to replace as it took to build.

The relative cost of addressing the sort of third world issues I mentioned is minute compared with what is spent on the AGW phantom and will directly save lives now . Why aren't you protesting about this ?

It's even more minute in comparison to defense spending, waste and fraud alone tops $10 billion a year there and you don't give two ****s about that. Why aren't you protesting this?

Lord of Planar · Mar 14, 2016

Deuce said:
It's even more minute in comparison to defense spending, waste and fraud alone tops $10 billion a year there and you don't give two ****s about that. Why aren't you protesting this?

Yep.

The fraud is putting social program pork in the defense spending bills.

Waste... there is always waste in big bureaucracies. That's why we need to disassemble as many as practical.

It sure would be nice if more than 80% of the social program spending actually made it to the recipients.

flogger · Mar 14, 2016

Deuce said:
It's even more minute in comparison to defense spending, waste and fraud alone tops $10 billion a year there and you don't give two ****s about that. Why aren't you protesting this?

Defence spending is a necessary evil AGW spending is not.

So do you advocate doing away with defence spending in the hope that you will win this argument viz AGW expenditure ? Is defence expenditure really necessary in your view ?

How many lives have those AGW trillions saved to date and how could that vast expenditure have been better spent over the preceding decades for the benefit of mankind assuming of course that saving lives is your primary motivation ?

flogger · Mar 14, 2016

Lord of Planar said:
Yep.

The fraud is putting social program pork in the defense spending bills.

Waste... there is always waste in big bureaucracies. That's why we need to disassemble as many as practical.

It sure would be nice if more than 80% of the social program spending actually made it to the recipients.

Waste is one thing the policy of deliberate defence expenditure profligacy quite another. There is no excuse whatsoever for the vast US defence expenditures we see today and it is a millstone around the neck of your society.

Lord of Planar · Mar 14, 2016

flogger said:
Waste is one thing the policy of deliberate defence expenditure profligacy quite another. There is no excuse whatsoever for the vast US defence expenditures we see today and it is a millstone around the neck of your society.

And if the USA scaled back, and stopped protecting your rear end...

What would your country do?

I don't know if I should be proud of the USA, or ashamed of other NATO and UN countries. We foot most of the military might and costs of keeping the free world policed.

Is the UK going to take over if we scale back?

What would it do to your nation's budget?

flogger · Mar 15, 2016

Lord of Planar said:
And if the USA scaled back, and stopped protecting your rear end...

There is no longer any cold war so your justification for maintaining military spending at the same levels it did then is no longer valid. Others have quite rightly scaled back their militaries since then in the absence of such threat

What would your country do?

Well if your nation would stop provoking nations around the world I suspect we would not get involved in your costly wars of retribution. That would help

I don't know if I should be proud of the USA, or ashamed of other NATO and UN countries. We foot most of the military might and costs of keeping the free world policed.

One could argue that many of the problems the world faces today are a because of the US actions not in spite of them

Is the UK going to take over if we scale back?

What would it do to your nation's budget?

How did attacking Iraq at your behest help our nations budget or security? See how that works ?

Lord of Planar · Mar 15, 2016

flogger said:
There is no longer any cold war so your justification for maintaining military spending at the same levels it did then is no longer valid. Others have quite rightly scaled back their militaries since then in the absence of such threat

We did scale back our military extensively starting about 1990. I was there.

flogger said:
Well if your nation would stop provoking nations around the world I suspect we would not get involved in your costly wars of retribution. That would help

So true. Remind Bill Clinton and his wife that.

flogger said:
One could argue that many of the problems the world faces today are a because of the US actions not in spite of them

I will not disagree with that. What is don... is done.

flogger said:
How did attacking Iraq at your behest help our nations budget or security? See how that works ?

Iraq didn't help at all. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time, under the known circumstances, it was the right thing to do. We at least then, had the moral right to try to stop more attacks on our nation. What followed like Libya and other places by Obama was an outright crime.

Do you know anything about Operation Ellamy?

jmotivator · Mar 15, 2016

flogger said:
Waste is one thing the policy of deliberate defence expenditure profligacy quite another. There is no excuse whatsoever for the vast US defence expenditures we see today and it is a millstone around the neck of your society.

We seem to do pretty awesome regardless of the any millstone. Largest economy, control of the world currency and all that...

The idea held by many who have benefited from US might that absent the US things would be awesome is simply ahistorical, mindless pap. Western Europe has enjoyed an amazing war-free 70 years not because of their own defenses, but because of the US. The US doesn't look for accolades for doing it, it was in everyone's best interest.

Part of me wants to withdraw the US military from the world stage and let the world fall to pieces just to give the world a lesson of what happens when we don't intervene.

The majority of Western Europeans have never known war in their streets and have come to believe, incorrectly, that it will always be so.

SenorXm/Sirius · Mar 15, 2016

Lord of Planar said:
We did scale back our military extensively starting about 1990. I was there.

So true. Remind Bill Clinton and his wife that.

I will not disagree with that. What is don... is done.

Iraq didn't help at all. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time, under the known circumstances, it was the right thing to do. We at least then, had the moral right to try to stop more attacks on our nation. What followed like Libya and other places by Obama was an outright crime.

Do you know anything about Operation Ellamy?

Fascinating. You agree the US should scale back on our overseas 'adventures' but you only mention by name and blame by name Obama and Clinton.

And you actually defend the war in Iraq, our biggest foreign policy f'up since Vietnam.

Impressive.

flogger · Mar 15, 2016

Lord of Planar said:
We did scale back our military extensively starting about 1990. I was there.

Spending levels as a proportion of your GDP are virtually unchanged since the days of the cold war. Whats it all supposed to be for now ?

So true. Remind Bill Clinton and his wife that.

So did they attack the wrong countries in the hope of easily securing a second term ? I must have missed it

Iraq didn't help at all. Hindsight is 20/20.

It was hardly that. You were warned at the time of the potential outcome we see today yet you did it anyway. Freedom fries anyone ?

At the time, under the known circumstances, it was the right thing to do. We at least then, had the moral right to try to stop more attacks on our nation.

Absolute nonsense. Iraq had nothing to do with attacking your nation. You knew from the earliest days 9/11 was Saudi planned financed and executed so morality played no part in the decision to invade somebody else.

cabse5 · Mar 15, 2016

ludin said:
Senators accuse State Dept. of defying Congress with $500M UN climate payment | Fox News

I hope these senator sues them and wins.
they should be sued for defrauding the taxpayer.

the state department should have to pay back from their personal accounts until the 500m dollars is put back.
what a friggen waste.

hey there was 500m dollars to fix several bridges or roads that people are constantly whining about but no it got sent to the UN instead.

Yeah, we get taxed, secretly. Money is borrowed from the, for example, infrastructure fund to pay the 500M. Then politicians say, "We need to spend more (more taxes need to be forthcoming) on infrastructure."

flogger · Mar 15, 2016

jmotivator said:
We seem to do pretty awesome regardless of the any millstone. Largest economy, control of the world currency and all that...

Coupled with poorest healthcare and amongst highest murder and destitution rates amongst developed nations. Perhaps reassessing how your current tax take is spent should be more of a priority than your continued military chest beating

The idea held by many who have benefited from US might that absent the US things would be awesome is simply ahistorical, mindless pap. Western Europe has enjoyed an amazing war-free 70 years not because of their own defenses, but because of the US.

That was then this is now

Part of me wants to withdraw the US military from the world stage and let the world fall to pieces just to give the world a lesson of what happens when we don't intervene.

Once upon a time your interventions were indeed a positive thing. Its hard to make that same claim in the 21st century

The majority of Western Europeans have never known war in their streets and have come to believe, incorrectly, that it will always be so.

I suspect the interdependence of the EU economies has done more to avert major conflict on the continent than anything else

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