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Climate Funding and Third World Governance

Jack Hays

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This is a topic that receives relatively little attention in the US. It is also a topic about which most Americans know little beyond the occasional headline. Although it's true that a discouraging percentage of funding intended to address Third World problems never gets to its intended destination, the challenges cannot be generalized. This OP presents two examples. Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe has indeed been a catastrophe for his country and, as far as I'm concerned, should get nothing. Chad, on the other hand, has a much different and less advantaged history, and offers a more compelling case for assistance.

Climate cash
Brutal Dictatorship Seeks Climate Cash to Fund Continued Atrocities

Guest essay by Eric Worrall President for life Robert Mugabe wants the UN (meaning America) to provide $1.5 billion per year, to feed Zimbabwean people who are currently going hungry, thanks to his government’s decade long policy of looting and trashing productive farms. Naturally he blames his country’s problems on “climate change”. According to the…
 
Jack Hays said:
This is a topic that receives relatively little attention in the US. It is also a topic about which most Americans know little beyond the occasional headline. Although it's true that a discouraging percentage of funding intended to address Third World problems never gets to its intended destination, the challenges cannot be generalized. This OP presents two examples. Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe has indeed been a catastrophe for his country and, as far as I'm concerned, should get nothing. Chad, on the other hand, has a much different and less advantaged history, and offers a more compelling case for assistance.

Climate cash
Brutal Dictatorship Seeks Climate Cash to Fund Continued Atrocities

Guest essay by Eric Worrall President for life Robert Mugabe wants the UN (meaning America) to provide $1.5 billion per year, to feed Zimbabwean people who are currently going hungry, thanks to his government’s decade long policy of looting and trashing productive farms. Naturally he blames his country’s problems on “climate change”. According to the…
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Follow the money and you soon learn what climate science is all about.
 
Jack Hays said:
This is a topic that receives relatively little attention in the US. It is also a topic about which most Americans know little beyond the occasional headline. Although it's true that a discouraging percentage of funding intended to address Third World problems never gets to its intended destination, the challenges cannot be generalized. This OP presents two examples. Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe has indeed been a catastrophe for his country and, as far as I'm concerned, should get nothing. Chad, on the other hand, has a much different and less advantaged history, and offers a more compelling case for assistance.

Climate cash
Brutal Dictatorship Seeks Climate Cash to Fund Continued Atrocities

Guest essay by Eric Worrall President for life Robert Mugabe wants the UN (meaning America) to provide $1.5 billion per year, to feed Zimbabwean people who are currently going hungry, thanks to his government’s decade long policy of looting and trashing productive farms. Naturally he blames his country’s problems on “climate change”. According to the…
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Why should a man like Mugabe do anything that does not profit him, his family and his friends?
 
Jack Hays said:
Indeed, but we need not help him.
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I wonder. I think that maybe we should rethink how we do global public goods and get about restructuring the process fundamentally.
 
Jack Hays said:
What changes would you like to see?
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To begin with, we need to legitimize organizing global public goods globally. That means things like r2p and will entail giving up certain sovereignties. Without that, we will be dependent on dictators and thugs in too many areas of politics and will not be able to solve the issues as they are now beginning to go viral.
 
joG said:
To begin with, we need to legitimize organizing global public goods globally. That means things like r2p and will entail giving up certain sovereignties. Without that, we will be dependent on dictators and thugs in too many areas of politics and will not be able to solve the issues as they are now beginning to go viral.
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Sorry, but I won't agree with any diminution of national sovereignty.
 
LowDown said:
Follow the money and you soon learn what climate science is all about.
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That's all climatology is about. It most definitely is not solid in science. It's too new as a science, and too many "if's" on top of "if's" are in the papers.
 
Lord of Planar said:
That's all climatology is about. It most definitely is not solid in science. It's too new as a science, and too many "if's" on top of "if's" are in the papers.
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Its really just the latest environmentalist crusade against the progress of homo sapiens. Their elites have decided the blue orb is just too fragile for us to be allowed to exist on it in anything like our present numbers . Those allowed to remain will of course be denied any hope of progress in their lives and will be condemned to live some rustic idyl that they believe existed before the original sin of industrialisation :(

These people and their self righteoius pontifications are what represent the real threat to our future not climate change
 
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flogger said:
Its really just the latest environmentalist crusade against the progress of homo sapiens.
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It probably is for many, wealth redistribution for others, and power for others yet.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but I won't agree with any diminution of national sovereignty.
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National sovereignty is diminuated by the external effects and it is a question of finding solutions.
 
joG said:
National sovereignty is diminuated by the external effects and it is a question of finding solutions.
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To find a solution, it would first be necessary to identify the problem.
The problem is that modern society is only possible with a high density form of energy storage.
Replacing the role of fossil based fuels, will require something with equal or better energy density.
More than enough sunlight falls on the earth, for every human alive to live a first world lifestyle,
the problem is the energy is not in a usable form.
Photovoltaic panels let us convert the sunlight into low density, time dependent electricity,
but without high density storage, the energy is not capable of satisfying our needs.
I think man made hydrocarbon fuels, are the most likely near term solution.
 
joG said:
National sovereignty is diminuated by the external effects and it is a question of finding solutions.
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Are you suggesting some sort of pan-global government to impose a "doing good" order on the world where wealth is redistributed by force?

If not what are you talking about?
 
longview said:
To find a solution, it would first be necessary to identify the problem.
The problem is that modern society is only possible with a high density form of energy storage.
Replacing the role of fossil based fuels, will require something with equal or better energy density.
More than enough sunlight falls on the earth, for every human alive to live a first world lifestyle,
the problem is the energy is not in a usable form.
Photovoltaic panels let us convert the sunlight into low density, time dependent electricity,
but without high density storage, the energy is not capable of satisfying our needs.
I think man made hydrocarbon fuels, are the most likely near term solution.
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Taking the long view that's about right.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Are you suggesting some sort of pan-global government to impose a "doing good" order on the world where wealth is redistributed by force?

If not what are you talking about?
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Did i say that? I am sorry, if you read that that way. Actually I was only referring to the usual requirements for solving the Tragedy of the Commons.
 
joG said:
Did i say that? I am sorry, if you read that that way. Actually I was only referring to the usual requirements for solving the Tragedy of the Commons.
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Then please explain what you are actually advocating.
 
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