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Global warming could be causing dogs to become depressed, say pet behaviourists

Renae said:
Denier? We're not the ones that think passing laws and regulations will stop climate, from changing.
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The influence of humans on the climate is undeniable. Reducing emissions/switching to clean energy helps to deal with the the problem. Don't get me started on the "climate has changed in the past" argument.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm
First, to infer that humans can't be behind today's climate change because climate changed before humans is bad reasoning (a non-sequitur). Humans are changing the climate today mainly via greenhouse gas emissions, the same mechanism that caused climate change before humans.
Second, to imply we have nothing to fear from today's climate change is not borne out by the lessons from rapid climate changes in Earth's past.
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David_N said:
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The influence of humans on the climate is undeniable. Reducing emissions/switching to clean energy helps to deal with the the problem. Don't get me started on the "climate has changed in the past" argument.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm
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Skeptical science is an echo chamber for the group think gravy train.

Remember folks, Global warming, so real and threatening... that it hasn't happened yet, the models have been horribly wrong but tomorrow, they might be right. So hand over your liberty, prosperity and wealth to your betters and help save... planet earth. Because this summer, might be .000005 degrees warmer than last year... or that much colder. Either way, it's YOUR FAULT. The models, which aren't ever right say so, so we need to tax you, we need you to pay higher gasoline costs, drive expensive cars and pay 3x as much for electricity. Oh and turn off that AC, you're killing polar bears. The models tell us if you don't, it might be different climatologically in two hundred years. If we work together, the climate will stabilize. We have a model for that too.


By the way david, what's your professional experience in the area of meteorology and climate?
 
I love animals and don't want unnecessary harm to come to them but are people really getting worked up because folks find humor in the idea of the article?
Really?

People have argued, however, against doing things to make energy cleaner since the days of "Smog Capitals" where people denied that smog was unhealthy.
If we can improve our thumbprint on the planet we have an obligation to do so, regardless of the science, whether we are in immediate danger, etc. It is irresponsible to just screw up the environment because...you know...money?
 
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Mithrae said:
Out of morbid curiousity, are you denying any of the following at this particular point in time?
1 > The UK has had higher temperatures recently
2 > The UK has had wetter winters recently
3 > People are often less inclined to walk their dogs in wet weather
4 > Lack of exercise can negatively influence dogs' behaviour
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Just out of 'morbid curiosity' is there anything that negatively impacts the world in even the most trivial way, that you wouldn't automatically ascribe to AGW (codespeak for us evil westerners)? :wink:
 
Renae said:
Skeptical science is an echo chamber for the group think gravy train.
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Oh its a bit worse than that. Here are some revelations about its founder taken from his own blog.

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He certainly puts his skills to work given some of the graphs he has produced
 
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flogger said:
Just out of 'morbid curiosity' is there anything that negatively impacts the world in even the most trivial way, that you wouldn't automatically ascribe to AGW (codespeak for us evil westerners)? :wink:
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I said nothing whatsoever about anthropogenic global warming, and unless I missed something in two read-overs, nor did the article linked in the OP. It does however suggest that:
1 > The UK has had higher temperatures recently
2 > The UK has had wetter winters recently
3 > People are often less inclined to walk their dogs in wet weather
4 > Lack of exercise can negatively influence dogs' behaviour

You have adopted a hostile attitude towards it. So I am naturally (and given that I know you a little by now, morbidly) curious which of these points you deny?
 
Mithrae said:
I said nothing whatsoever about anthropogenic global warming, and unless I missed something in two read-overs, nor did the article linked in the OP. It does however suggest that:
1 > The UK has had higher temperatures recently
2 > The UK has had wetter winters recently
3 > People are often less inclined to walk their dogs in wet weather
4 > Lack of exercise can negatively influence dogs' behaviour

You have adopted a hostile attitude towards it. So I am naturally (and given that I know you a little by now, morbidly) curious which of these points you deny?
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The UK has had a pretty average winter so far. A decade ago we had a run of dry cold winters. Its simply the weather doing what it does so what ? :roll:

Perhaps now you could answer my question ?
 
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flogger said:
The UK has had a pretty average winter so far. A decade ago we had a run of dry cold winters. Its simply the weather doing what it does so what ? :roll:

Perhaps now you could answer my question ?
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My answer to your question is yes, there are thing/s "that negatively impacts the world in even the most trivial way, that {I} wouldn't automatically ascribe to AGW (codespeak for us evil westerners)." Phew! It's a relief to get that off my chest, and very satisfying for you too, I'm sure.

Now perhaps you could do the similar courtesy of answering my question? Which, if any, of those four points do you deny?
 
Mithrae said:
Now perhaps you could do the similar courtesy of answering my question? Which, if any, of those four points do you deny?
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Why would I even attempt to deny the weather ? :shock:
 
[h=2] Bored dogs, ripped furniture — blame climate change[/h]
Things are really getting serious now. There is not only extinction and endless droughts, but there are depressed dogs. Unprecedented depressed dogs. The chain of effect goes like this: electric heaters cause climate change which makes winters wetter in England and owners don’t like mud, so ipso, ergo, garbo, dogs get stuck indoors, go stir crazy and rip furniture.​
I presume the answer to this is to sell the car, cancel the heating, and wait for the world to warm for your dog to get happy?​
Leading pet behaviourists told The Independent that the number of depressed and unsettled dogs they have seen in recent months is unprecedented.
Carolyn Menteith, a dog behaviourist who was named Britain’s Instructor of the Year in 2015, says Global Warming might be causing pets to become depressed:
“I’ve never seen our dogs or horses this bored before in 20 years.
Yes, this is the worst in recorded history, or 20 years, whichever comes first.
Horses that have lived happily outside before are saying ‘I actually can’t cope with this mud and wet anymore’…”.
For me, the unprecedented thing here is the talking horse.
Is that climate change too?
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[h=1]Global Warming is Causing Dogs to Become Depressed[/h] Guest essay by Eric Worrall Pet behaviourists have claimed that dogs and horses are becoming bored and depressed, because global warming induced weather is stopping their owners from taking them out for exercise. Leading pet behaviourists say the number of depressed and unsettled dogs they have seen in recent months is unprecedented … And they…
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Jack Hays said:
[h=2] Bored dogs, ripped furniture — blame climate change[/h]
Things are really getting serious now. There is not only extinction and endless droughts, but there are depressed dogs. Unprecedented depressed dogs. The chain of effect goes like this: electric heaters cause climate change which makes winters wetter in England and owners don’t like mud, so ipso, ergo, garbo, dogs get stuck indoors, go stir crazy and rip furniture.​
I presume the answer to this is to sell the car, cancel the heating, and wait for the world to warm for your dog to get happy?​
Leading pet behaviourists told The Independent that the number of depressed and unsettled dogs they have seen in recent months is unprecedented.
Carolyn Menteith, a dog behaviourist who was named Britain’s Instructor of the Year in 2015, says Global Warming might be causing pets to become depressed:
“I’ve never seen our dogs or horses this bored before in 20 years.
Yes, this is the worst in recorded history, or 20 years, whichever comes first.
Horses that have lived happily outside before are saying ‘I actually can’t cope with this mud and wet anymore’…”.
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For me, the unprecedented thing here is the talking horse.
Is that climate change too?
Keep reading →
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They're interviewing gorillas, so I suppose horses and dogs aren't out of the question. I wonder when they'll interview a fish? I'd like to watch the hyena interview. That one could be interesting.
 
Renae said:
Skeptical science is an echo chamber for the group think gravy train.

Remember folks, Global warming, so real and threatening... that it hasn't happened yet, the models have been horribly wrong but tomorrow, they might be right. So hand over your liberty, prosperity and wealth to your betters and help save... planet earth. Because this summer, might be .000005 degrees warmer than last year... or that much colder. Either way, it's YOUR FAULT. The models, which aren't ever right say so, so we need to tax you, we need you to pay higher gasoline costs, drive expensive cars and pay 3x as much for electricity. Oh and turn off that AC, you're killing polar bears. The models tell us if you don't, it might be different climatologically in two hundred years. If we work together, the climate will stabilize. We have a model for that too.


By the way david, what's your professional experience in the area of meteorology and climate?
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Woah woah woah. We get it. You could have stopped after the 7th strawman.

Is it really so hard for you to understand that things depend on one another through causal relationships ?

Let me explain one set to you.

The sun creates energy through the force of gravity facilitating hydrogen fusion. That fusion emits electromagnetic waves, known as 'light.' That light is radiated toward our rock known as Earth. The Earth is covered in a gaseous body known as an atmosphere. The atmosphere has a molecular composition. Molecules are what everything is made of. Different molecules have different properties for absorbing and reflecting light, this is why, for example, the sky is often blue. The consistent molecular structure of the atmosphere tends to absorb more non-blue light and reflect more blue light. If we change the molecular composition of the atmosphere, we change the quantity of energy that the Earth absorbs from the suns radiation. These are all, more or less, scientific facts so fundamental so as to be almost completely incontrovertible.

On the other hand, there are ways that dogs perceive things that humans don't. One of my old professors had a dog who would tell her she was going to have a seizure in 24 hours. How can a dog predict such an event so far in advance ?

Birds have migratory patterns. Scientists seem to have noticed unexpected changes in those patterns. One possible explanation for such changes is global warming. This is what we would call a controversial theory, it's not necessarily well demonstrated (to the best of my knowledge).

My point is that you should not use the existence of controversial theories to "disprove" the uncontroversial ones that they're related to. It's an exercise in conclusion-seeking. Have you analyzed birds migratory patterns ? Human behavior ? Dog behavior ? But, most importantly, how the hell can you KNOW someone else's guess is wrong when you haven't studied it (i'm assuming) ?
 
Absentglare said:
Woah woah woah. We get it. You could have stopped after the 7th strawman.

Is it really so hard for you to understand that things depend on one another through causal relationships ?

Let me explain one set to you.

The sun creates energy through the force of gravity facilitating hydrogen fusion. That fusion emits electromagnetic waves, known as 'light.' That light is radiated toward our rock known as Earth. The Earth is covered in a gaseous body known as an atmosphere. The atmosphere has a molecular composition. Molecules are what everything is made of. Different molecules have different properties for absorbing and reflecting light, this is why, for example, the sky is often blue. The consistent molecular structure of the atmosphere tends to absorb more non-blue light and reflect more blue light. If we change the molecular composition of the atmosphere, we change the quantity of energy that the Earth absorbs from the suns radiation. These are all, more or less, scientific facts so fundamental so as to be almost completely incontrovertible.

On the other hand, there are ways that dogs perceive things that humans don't. One of my old professors had a dog who would tell her she was going to have a seizure in 24 hours. How can a dog predict such an event so far in advance ?

Birds have migratory patterns. Scientists seem to have noticed unexpected changes in those patterns. One possible explanation for such changes is global warming. This is what we would call a controversial theory, it's not necessarily well demonstrated (to the best of my knowledge).

My point is that you should not use the existence of controversial theories to "disprove" the uncontroversial ones that they're related to. It's an exercise in conclusion-seeking. Have you analyzed birds migratory patterns ? Human behavior ? Dog behavior ? But, most importantly, how the hell can you KNOW someone else's guess is wrong when you haven't studied it (i'm assuming) ?
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You assume incorrectly that I have no knowledge of meteorology or climate sciences. As I did did such for the Navy for 10 years as a certified forecast duty officer. No one I know in the field, professionally, buys into the AGW crap. It's all a bunch of group think hooey.
 
Renae said:
You assume incorrectly that I have no knowledge of meteorology or climate sciences. As I did did such for the Navy for 10 years as a certified forecast duty officer. No one I know in the field, professionally, buys into the AGW crap. It's all a bunch of group think hooey.
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That's not accurate.

Every credible scientist in the world must acknowledge that changing the composition of the atmosphere can change the heat exchange relationship between the sun, the earth, and outer space.

The ONLY controversies are in what kinds and/or how much change in molecular composition would impact our temperature systems.
 
Absentglare said:
That's not accurate.

Every credible scientist in the world must acknowledge that changing the composition of the atmosphere can change the heat exchange relationship between the sun, the earth, and outer space.

The ONLY controversies are in what kinds and/or how much change in molecular composition would impact our temperature systems.
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No. You don't get it. We know man has an impact. Its negligible. The whole stop climate change move, its fear mongering and associated solutions are ****.
 
Renae said:
No. You don't get it. We know man has an impact. Its negligible. The whole stop climate change move, its fear mongering and associated solutions are ****.
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How do you know it's negligible ?

It took humans thousands of years to realize the ****ing Earth is round. What makes you so sure that your conclusion is sound ?

As we speak, permafrost is releasing stored methane into the atmosphere. There is a phenomenon known as positive feedback, the way a snowball can grow to an avalanche, it might be far out of our control before we have indisputable evidence.

"One planet, one experiment." - E. O. Wilson

The cost of caution is low.

The cost of being wrong is very high.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2] Bored dogs, ripped furniture — blame climate change[/h]
Things are really getting serious now. There is not only extinction and endless droughts, but there are depressed dogs. Unprecedented depressed dogs. The chain of effect goes like this: electric heaters cause climate change which makes winters wetter in England and owners don’t like mud, so ipso, ergo, garbo, dogs get stuck indoors, go stir crazy and rip furniture.​
I presume the answer to this is to sell the car, cancel the heating, and wait for the world to warm for your dog to get happy?​
Leading pet behaviourists told The Independent that the number of depressed and unsettled dogs they have seen in recent months is unprecedented.
Carolyn Menteith, a dog behaviourist who was named Britain’s Instructor of the Year in 2015, says Global Warming might be causing pets to become depressed:
“I’ve never seen our dogs or horses this bored before in 20 years.
Yes, this is the worst in recorded history, or 20 years, whichever comes first.
Horses that have lived happily outside before are saying ‘I actually can’t cope with this mud and wet anymore’…”.
For me, the unprecedented thing here is the talking horse.
Is that climate change too?
Keep reading →
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Very unusual link! :giggle1: The dogs I'm currently babysitting are victims of climate change - they were brought from warm and sunny Texas to cold and sometimes snowy Ohio! In direct contrast to the article, though, they don't really want to go outside, and get incredulous expressions when they are expected to do so - WTH seems to describe their attitude pretty well, and I don't need a dog psychologist to interpret that! :lamo:
 
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[h=1]Kahan and Tol on climate cluelessness[/h] Posted on 12 Feb 16 by Paul Matthews • 21 Comments
Americans are stupid… Two recent posts by Dan Kahan at his Cultural Cognition blog have revealed how completely clueless the American public is on climate change. In a cleverly designed survey, he asked some questions of the type “Most climate scientists believe human-caused warming will lead to flooding of some coastal areas, True/False” for which … Continue reading →
 
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