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What Is The Solution To Anthropogenic Global Warming

PakPuk

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Lets put the debate on whether it is happening or not aside, to the people who believe in AGW theory happening then what is the solution to stop it? Can it be stopped? How can we stop it if greenhouse gasses are released naturally? What are your solutions?
 
PakPuk said:
Lets put the debate on whether it is happening or not aside, to the people who believe in AGW theory happening then what is the solution to stop it? Can it be stopped? How can we stop it if greenhouse gasses are released naturally? What are your solutions?
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It appears the AGW'ist believe the solution is to gather more money than at any other time in human history and give it to people who promise they might do something with it.
 
PakPuk said:
Lets put the debate on whether it is happening or not aside, to the people who believe in AGW theory happening then what is the solution to stop it? Can it be stopped? How can we stop it if greenhouse gasses are released naturally? What are your solutions?
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I would think that an immediate change to an Amish type culture Worldwide is the only near term solution.
 
DaveFagan said:
I would think that an immediate change to an Amish type culture Worldwide is the only near term solution.
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Hey but trees are needed for houses? Cows for the milk produce greenhouse gasses? You burn wood for warmth?

No internet and electricity then?
 
PakPuk said:
Lets put the debate on whether it is happening or not aside, to the people who believe in AGW theory happening then what is the solution to stop it? Can it be stopped? How can we stop it if greenhouse gasses are released naturally? What are your solutions?
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Stop cows from burping and leave gas, oil etc in the ground.
 
Genocide China, India, Africa, and the Middle East.

Also, cull the herd here at home. If society is currently supporting you it's time for you to be euthanized.

Problem solved.
 
joG said:
Stop cows from burping and leave gas, oil etc in the ground.
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Will their farts have to be stored in the same way that nuclear waste is stored?
 
soot said:
Genocide China, India, Africa, and the Middle East.

Also, cull the herd here at home. If society is currently supporting you it's time for you to be euthanized.

Problem solved.
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So no killing in Europe and America? Oh no that's where you live!

So bottom line your solution is: Mass genocide worse than the Nazis or the communists?
 
Natural CO2 emissions are not the problem. They are largely accounted for by the Earth's natural CO2 cycle which produces, and sequesters, much more CO2 each year than humans. A large part of the non-issue from natural factors is that animals are limited by their ability to use energy in order to produce the waste-product CO2. Humans, for example, cannot run 100 miles in a day even if given an unlimited supply of fuel because we are limited, by a whole host of factors, in our ability to turn that fuel into energy.

With that point out of the way - as to your solutions. It really comes down to two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result. But your two main solutions are 1) Reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from energy production and mechanical energy emissions (i.e. vehicles that produce CO2 as a waste product), and 2) Reduce and/or counter the amount of CO2 currently located in the atmosphere through carbon capture or geoengineering.

Actually, I would also add a need to adjust agricultural and farming practices as a third pillar. We can make agriculture more efficient through the use of technology like vertical greenhouses and we need to reduce the impact of an insatiable appetite for all forms of meat.
 
MrT said:
Natural CO2 emissions are not the problem. They are largely accounted for by the Earth's natural CO2 cycle which produces, and sequesters, much more CO2 each year than humans. A large part of the non-issue from natural factors is that animals are limited by their ability to use energy in order to produce the waste-product CO2. Humans, for example, cannot run 100 miles in a day even if given an unlimited supply of fuel because we are limited, by a whole host of factors, in our ability to turn that fuel into energy.

With that point out of the way - as to your solutions. It really comes down to two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result. But your two main solutions are 1) Reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from energy production and mechanical energy emissions (i.e. vehicles that produce CO2 as a waste product), and 2) Reduce and/or counter the amount of CO2 currently located in the atmosphere through carbon capture or geoengineering.

Actually, I would also add a need to adjust agricultural and farming practices as a third pillar. We can make agriculture more efficient through the use of technology like vertical greenhouses and we need to reduce the impact of an insatiable appetite for all forms of meat.
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1) Reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from energy production and mechanical energy emissions (i.e. vehicles that produce CO2 as a waste product), and 2) Reduce and/or counter the amount of CO2 currently located in the atmosphere through carbon capture or geoengineering.

How will this be achieved?
 
PakPuk said:
Hey but trees are needed for houses? Cows for the milk produce greenhouse gasses? You burn wood for warmth?

No internet and electricity then?
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Internet and electricity provided by 100% Renewable energy, wind and solar and hydro. You asked for solutions and I gave you a well thought out one. It's a total committment to solve the problem. I don't know too many Corporate Amish and Corporate doesn't fit in my picture anyway.
 
DaveFagan said:
Internet and electricity provided by 100% Renewable energy, wind and solar and hydro. You asked for solutions and I gave you a well thought out one. It's a total committment to solve the problem. I don't know too many Corporate Amish and Corporate doesn't fit in my picture anyway.
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Where will that money come from to move to a fully renewable energy economy? Often renewable energy is unreliable in many parts of the world and a lot of the time produces inadequate amounts of energy needed for industrial use.
 
MrT said:
Natural CO2 emissions are not the problem. They are largely accounted for by the Earth's natural CO2 cycle which produces, and sequesters, much more CO2 each year than humans. A large part of the non-issue from natural factors is that animals are limited by their ability to use energy in order to produce the waste-product CO2. Humans, for example, cannot run 100 miles in a day even if given an unlimited supply of fuel because we are limited, by a whole host of factors, in our ability to turn that fuel into energy.

With that point out of the way - as to your solutions. It really comes down to two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result. But your two main solutions are 1) Reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from energy production and mechanical energy emissions (i.e. vehicles that produce CO2 as a waste product), and 2) Reduce and/or counter the amount of CO2 currently located in the atmosphere through carbon capture or geoengineering.

Actually, I would also add a need to adjust agricultural and farming practices as a third pillar. We can make agriculture more efficient through the use of technology like vertical greenhouses and we need to reduce the impact of an insatiable appetite for all forms of meat.
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And what if it didn't work ?
 
PakPuk said:
1) Reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from energy production and mechanical energy emissions (i.e. vehicles that produce CO2 as a waste product), and 2) Reduce and/or counter the amount of CO2 currently located in the atmosphere through carbon capture or geoengineering.

How will this be achieved?
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"two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result."

I am not an expert on the implementation or methods for achieving these end goals. With that said, I would imagine that the best way to achieve those goals would be primarily through technological advancement incentivized by a central figure (e.g. the government or a environmentally/economically driven CEO or Board).
 
PakPuk said:
1) Reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from energy production and mechanical energy emissions (i.e. vehicles that produce CO2 as a waste product), and 2) Reduce and/or counter the amount of CO2 currently located in the atmosphere through carbon capture or geoengineering.

How will this be achieved?
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It won't. It would mean winding the clock back to a more or less agrarian pre industrial existence that would be unlikely to maintain even a third of the current global population level
 
MrT said:
"two primary points that necessarily carry with them a VAST amount of details and methods for implementing the end result."

I am not an expert on the implementation or methods for achieving these end goals. With that said, I would imagine that the best way to achieve those goals would be primarily through technological advancement incentivized by a central figure (e.g. the government or a environmentally/economically driven CEO or Board).
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What happens if we currently do not have the technology needed to produce large amounts of energy without producing greenhouse gasses?
 
flogger said:
It won't. It would mean winding the clock back to a more or less agrarian pre industrial existence that would be unlikely to maintain even a third of the current global population level
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The plans that they are proposing (UN/politicians/philanthropists) would be a death sentence for the third world.
 
PakPuk said:
Where will that money come from to move to a fully renewable energy economy? Often renewable energy is unreliable in many parts of the world and a lot of the time produces inadequate amounts of energy needed for industrial use.
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Renewable Energy also provides a job producing breakout infrastructure in building and maintaining the local projects. It cuts the Central Distribution Network (old line monopoly) out of the profit loop and that is what prevents its' current implementation. The renewables cut the outflow of local monies to external collection sources (Central Distribution monopolies) and the monies remain in the local communities to produce more of whatever locally. This LOCAL word is what Corporate Monopolies don't like to hear. Renewables can be weather sensitive, but weather prediction is pretty good in this day and age. Industrial use must participate or there is no sense trying to control AGW.
 
PakPuk said:
What happens if we currently do not have the technology needed to produce large amounts of energy without producing greenhouse gasses?
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We make the adjustments where we can, continue to advance the technology, make more adjustments in the near future, continue to advance the technology, make more adjustments. Rinse and repeat.

Meanwhile, we advance the technology necessary to remove/counter the effects of the CO2 already produced.
 
PakPuk said:
The plans that they are proposing (UN/politicians/philanthropists) would be a death sentence for the third world.
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There are literally islands of communities which are sinking beneath the waves. Global Warming is a death sentence already.
 
PakPuk said:
Bill Gates talks about 'reducing down to zero', well how can we? We have to breathe?
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Its not commonly known that nearly a third of all our CO2 production comes from our own respiration and that of the domestic animals we feed on. Thinking levels can somehow magically be rolled back to pre industrial levels would mean a cull of at least 2 billion for starters even if we simply shut up shop and manufactured nothing else again ever :shock:
 
DaveFagan said:
Renewable Energy also provides a job producing breakout infrastructure in building and maintaining the local projects. It cuts the Central Distribution Network (old line monopoly) out of the profit loop and that is what prevents its' current implementation. The renewables cut the outflow of local monies to external collection sources (Central Distribution monopolies) and the monies remain in the local communities to produce more of whatever locally. This LOCAL word is what Corporate Monopolies don't like to hear. Renewables can be weather sensitive, but weather prediction is pretty good in this day and age. Industrial use must participate or there is no sense trying to control AGW.
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Still does not address the fact that many of these renewables are expensive and rely heavily on the weather. On top of that they produce relatively small amounts of energy especially for industrial use. A lot of people think of electricity production as a light bulb turning on... well no large machines the size of your house have to be powered to produce the products which you buy.
 
MrT said:
There are literally islands of communities which are sinking beneath the waves. Global Warming is a death sentence already.
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The sea has been continuously rising for 18, 000 years and often at rates far in excess of the last century

They can move just like many before them must have done
 
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