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Cosmic Rays, Clouds and Climate

Jack Hays

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Because there's just never enough Svensmark here.

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2015/02/epn2015462p26.pdf

Here, the surprising answer about those never ending natural changes of climate is that galactic cosmic rays, atomic particles coming from the supernova remnants left by exploded stars, appear to play a major part. By ionizing the air, cosmic rays help to form aerosols that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei (CCN), required for water droplets to condense and create low-altitude clouds. As these exert a strong cooling effect, increases or decreases in the cosmic ray influx and in cloudiness can significantly lower or raise the world’s mean temperature. This is the central hypothesis. . . .
 
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Jack Hays said:
Because there's just never enough Svensmark here.

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2015/02/epn2015462p26.pdf

Here, the surprising answer about those never ending natural changes of climate is that galactic cosmic rays, atomic particles coming from the supernova remnants left by exploded stars, appear to play a major part. By ionizing the air, cosmic rays help to form aerosols that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei (CCN), required for water droplets to condense and create low-altitude clouds. As these exert a strong cooling effect, increases or decreases in the cosmic ray influx and in cloudiness can significantly lower or raise the world’s mean temperature. This is the central hypothesis. . . .
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:thumbs: :thumbs:
 
So the reason for global climate change is cosmic rays rather than anthropomorphic?

I knew it that it was the heaven's fault!
 
Jack Hays said:
Because there's just never enough Svensmark here.

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2015/02/epn2015462p26.pdf

Here, the surprising answer about those never ending natural changes of climate is that galactic cosmic rays, atomic particles coming from the supernova remnants left by exploded stars, appear to play a major part. By ionizing the air, cosmic rays help to form aerosols that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei (CCN), required for water droplets to condense and create low-altitude clouds. As these exert a strong cooling effect, increases or decreases in the cosmic ray influx and in cloudiness can significantly lower or raise the world’s mean temperature. This is the central hypothesis. . . .
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yea this was a theory all the way back in 2005. I am glad to see that someone actually went further with the study.
as I said in another thread these guys have no clue about climate and how it operates.

the fact that they ignore any and all other evidence except co2 which makes up less than .05% of our atmosphere is amazing.
it shows that this is not a scientific field but a political field.
 
This brings up an interesting point.
If cosmic rays can form clouds, Could we start thunderstorms ahead of a hurricane
to draw off, and dissipate the energy over a larger duty cycle?
 
longview said:
This brings up an interesting point.
If cosmic rays can form clouds, Could we start thunderstorms ahead of a hurricane
to draw off, and dissipate the energy over a larger duty cycle?
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Well, the clouds we are talking about are not low level clouds, they are the thin stratospheric clouds that would make an otherwise blue sky a bit less blue. There are plenty of airborne aerosols in the lower atmosphere for water drops to form on, and cloud seeding has been around for a long time.
 
DDD said:
So the reason for global climate change is cosmic rays rather than anthropomorphic?

I knew it that it was the heaven's fault!
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No.

Just part of the equation, left out by the mainstream climastrology cult.


LOL...

It should be anthropogenic. My spell checker gives me anthropocentric if I'm not careful. It didn't do that on my older systems.
 
ludin said:
yea this was a theory all the way back in 2005. I am glad to see that someone actually went further with the study.
as I said in another thread these guys have no clue about climate and how it operates.

the fact that they ignore any and all other evidence except co2 which makes up less than .05% of our atmosphere is amazing.
it shows that this is not a scientific field but a political field.
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They intentionally ignore the indirect energies involved with solar forcing changes, and only speak of "direct solar" changes.

How can any intelligent person trust the alarmist community?
 
jmotivator said:
Well, the clouds we are talking about are not low level clouds, they are the thin stratospheric clouds that would make an otherwise blue sky a bit less blue. There are plenty of airborne aerosols in the lower atmosphere for water drops to form on, and cloud seeding has been around for a long time.
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Yep.

Fly above them and drop the right type of aerosols. Problem is, hurricanes are massive. That would be one huge undertaking.
 
longview said:
This brings up an interesting point.
If cosmic rays can form clouds, Could we start thunderstorms ahead of a hurricane
to draw off, and dissipate the energy over a larger duty cycle?
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wind sheer is more important than thunderstorms. those can just get sucked into the hurricane.
one guy had the stupid idea to drop this super absorbing foam garbage into them

the problem is that hurricanes are a needed evil. they are the earths AC and what allows the ocean to
cool itself off. without hurricanes the oceans literally would get too hot on the surface.
 
ludin said:
wind sheer is more important than thunderstorms. those can just get sucked into the hurricane.
one guy had the stupid idea to drop this super absorbing foam garbage into them

the problem is that hurricanes are a needed evil. they are the earths AC and what allows the ocean to
cool itself off. without hurricanes the oceans literally would get too hot on the surface.
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I know, I have seen them really drop in intensity when they hit a patch of cooler water.
The thunderstorms also use the same energy, I was thinking of lessening the fuel, a bit,
before the Hurricane got there.
 
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