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Singapore Shuts Schools, Cancel Events as Air Quality Worsens

Singapore is shutting schools and suspending some outdoor events as the city-state’s air quality slid into the hazardous range for the first time this year, raising concerns that this will hurt the tourism and retail industries.

Singapore will close its primary and secondary schools Friday as the three-hour pollutant standards index reached the year’s high of 341 as of 5 a.m. Singapore time, according to the National Environment Agency. The gauge was at 324 as of 7 a.m., with a reading exceeding 300 classified as “hazardous.”

“If it lasts long enough, domestic retailers and commerce will show visibly reduced earnings,” said Wai Ho Leong, a Singapore-based economist at Barclays Plc. “After that, it has to last long enough for people who have booked trips to Singapore to cancel. There’s still a sense this is temporary."

Smoke from Indonesian forest fires has shrouded the city- state with a layer of haze in the past few weeks. Indonesia’s enforcement of its laws against plantation owners is key to resolving the problem, Singapore’s Environment Minister Vivian Balakrishnan said in an interview a week ago. The smog also led the flights disruptions across Southeast Asia.
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Kelfuma said:
God bless capitalism
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When your gov't is in league with your Corporate Industries, it is Corporatism/Fascism. Same as the good ol' USA, don't ya' know.
 
DaveFagan said:
When your gov't is in league with your Corporate Industries, it is Corporatism/Fascism. Same as the good ol' USA, don't ya' know.
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Actually, we go to extreme measures to improve our air quality. Don't ya know. :rolleyes:
 
countryboy said:
Actually, we go to extreme measures to improve our air quality. Don't ya know. :rolleyes:
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Take a closer look at our past history and especially get a movie scene of an aircraft flying into Los Angeles during the 60s, 70s, etc.
 
DaveFagan said:
Take a closer look at our past history and especially get a movie scene of an aircraft flying into Los Angeles during the 60s, 70s, etc.
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Yes, like I said, we've gone to extreme measures to improve our air quality greatly. Unlike Singapore. Your point?

Btw, I grew up in Southern California, I don't need to look at movie images. I've driven the 15 through the San Bernardino mountains in the 70's. ;) . Guess what? It's not like that anymore. .;) ;).
 
countryboy said:
Yes, like I said, we've gone to extreme measures to improve our air quality greatly. Unlike Singapore. Your point?

Btw, I grew up in Southern California, I don't need to look at movie images. I've driven the 15 through the San Bernardino mountains in the 70's. ;) . Guess what? It's not like that anymore. .;) ;).
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The air issues Singapore is currently dealing with are not the result of Singapore's actions or inactions. It is floating in from Indonesia as a result of their intentional burning of land. Singapore itself has strong regulations.
 
Kelfuma said:
God bless capitalism
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When you move to North Korea I will be impressed with your objections to capitalism. But so long as you are on the internet in Atlanta, Georgia you are simply a hypocrite.
 
DaveFagan said:
Take a closer look at our past history and especially get a movie scene of an aircraft flying into Los Angeles during the 60s, 70s, etc.
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I'm interested in knowing if you actually think that that was a reasonable response to the statement you quoted?
 
DaveFagan said:
Take a closer look at our past history and especially get a movie scene of an aircraft flying into Los Angeles during the 60s, 70s, etc.
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I walk out and breathe the fresh air of connecticut just fine. :shrug:
 
BrewerBob said:
The air issues Singapore is currently dealing with are not the result of Singapore's actions or inactions. It is floating in from Indonesia as a result of their intentional burning of land. Singapore itself has strong regulations.
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Exactly. Indonesia and China are the top pollution creators in that region, and their pollution doesn't respect borders. It's estimated that as much as 10% of the smog that settles in LA comes from China.
 
jmotivator said:
When you move to North Korea I will be impressed with your objections to capitalism. But so long as you are on the internet in Atlanta, Georgia you are simply a hypocrite.
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This is how one uses free speech responsibly and intelligently.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm interested in knowing if you actually think that that was a reasonable response to the statement you quoted?
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Our air quality is much improved from the 60s and 70s and 80s, but the Corporate World has fought environmental change tooth and nail forever and nothing has changed, except Global Warming has become more threatening. Global Warming was documented in the 1960s and the changes predicted. Take a look a World usage of PetroProducts for the last 100 or so years to see who is to blame for the problem. The total weight of the PetroProduct tells the story of the biggest polluters. Take a look at coal usage and do the same methodology. Having personally flown thousands of hours in USA skies, I've seen the before and after of the cities. They are much improved. We are still responsible for the previous damage. We are also responsible for the damage we can't see, but are aware of. Yes, to answer your question, the response was and is reasonable.
 
DaveFagan said:
Our air quality is much improved from the 60s and 70s and 80s, but the Corporate World has fought environmental change tooth and nail forever and nothing has changed, except Global Warming has become more threatening. Global Warming was documented in the 1960s and the changes predicted. Take a look a World usage of PetroProducts for the last 100 or so years to see who is to blame for the problem. The total weight of the PetroProduct tells the story of the biggest polluters. Take a look at coal usage and do the same methodology. Having personally flown thousands of hours in USA skies, I've seen the before and after of the cities. They are much improved. We are still responsible for the previous damage. We are also responsible for the damage we can't see, but are aware of. Yes, to answer your question, the response was and is reasonable.
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The funny thing about this screed is on the one hand to attack the US for "use of PetroProduct" and then admit you have flown thousands of hours in "USA Skies".

Unless those are pedal planes you are also a hypocrite.

Also, when the person you responded to was talking about CURRENT environmental policy you chose to counter that with anecdotes from environmental policy fifty years ago.
 
jmotivator said:
The funny thing about this screed is on the one hand to attack the US for "use of PetroProduct" and then admit you have flown thousands of hours in "USA Skies".

Unless those are pedal planes you are also a hypocrite.

Also, when the person you responded to was talking about CURRENT environmental policy you chose to counter that with anecdotes from environmental policy fifty years ago.
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Personal references mean nothing to the reality. Air quality is improved thanks to regulations.
 
Kelfuma said:
God bless capitalism
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compared to the communist nations of that region; Vietnam and North Korea, Singapore is a paradise. the air quality index could be coal dust with a side of volcanic ash and millions of people in communist nations would still die trying to get there if they saw an opportunity.
 
jmotivator said:
The funny thing about this screed is on the one hand to attack the US for "use of PetroProduct" and then admit you have flown thousands of hours in "USA Skies".

Unless those are pedal planes you are also a hypocrite.

Also, when the person you responded to was talking about CURRENT environmental policy you chose to counter that with anecdotes from environmental policy fifty years ago.
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The Current Environmental Reality is Global Warming. The relevancy of that is paramount. It is a cause and effect environmental circumstance and its' cause begins with the Industrial Revolution and is well-documented as the root of Global Warming. USA policy, led by Republicans representing Big Business (CORPORATISM) have fought mitigation programs for a hundred years and still do to this day. The Democrats can share the blame because they've been selling out to the same interests, but not so blatantly. The USA has been the major cause of Global Warming and should be the prime mover in mitigation technology and policy for that same reason.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
compared to the communist nations of that region; Vietnam and North Korea, Singapore is a paradise. the air quality index could be coal dust with a side of volcanic ash and millions of people in communist nations would still die trying to get there if they saw an opportunity.
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No disagreements there, communist nations don't tend to regulate air pollution for whatever reason.
 
David_N said:
Yes, it's awful they create so much pollution, shows us what could happen if we didn't enforce regulations here.
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And regulations are enforced because a democratic capitalist system responds to the demands of the population, communist regimes destroy the environment unhindered because they answer to nobody.
 
DaveFagan said:
The Current Environmental Reality is Global Warming. The relevancy of that is paramount. It is a cause and effect environmental circumstance and its' cause begins with the Industrial Revolution and is well-documented as the root of Global Warming. USA policy, led by Republicans representing Big Business (CORPORATISM) have fought mitigation programs for a hundred years and still do to this day. The Democrats can share the blame because they've been selling out to the same interests, but not so blatantly. The USA has been the major cause of Global Warming and should be the prime mover in mitigation technology and policy for that same reason.
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You are going to be so disappointed by the next 20 years.
 
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