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Capturing Global Warming in One Simple Statistic [W:1239:1469]

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Jack, Jack, Jack....those are faked graphs. I'm not saying you faked them yourself but the CAGW lie funnel you depend on certain found a source for you to disseminate to try to prop up your pathetic anti-science crusade. You're being duped, Jack, but you're a will and eager one.

Not faked at all, but certainly inconvenient for you. It is sad that you are reduced to a smokescreen of falsehoods.
 
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Did you see the temperature trend graph Jack pasted up below where someone just drew in a downward slope free hand without the slightest regard for the actual means as "proof" that there's been a cooling trend. The grade-school level of the fakery would be funny if it weren't such a serious matter.

You really should not parade your ignorance like this.


The graph shows the entire RSS lower-troposphere satellite dataset for the 440 months January 1979 to August 2015, with the bright blue trend on the entire series equivalent to just over 1.2 C°/century. Overlaid graph in green is the zero trend in the 224 months since January 1997 – more than half the entire 440-month record.



The Pause is driving down the long-term warming trend

Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley The long and model-unpredicted Great Pause of 18 years 8 months in global mean lower-troposphere temperature as recorded in the RSS satellite monthly dataset is inexorably driving down the longer-run warming rate, when the IPCC’s predictions would have led us to expect an acceleration. The graph shows the…
 
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You really should not parade your ignorance like this.


The graph shows the entire RSS lower-troposphere satellite dataset for the 440 months January 1979 to August 2015, with the bright blue trend on the entire series equivalent to just over 1.2 C°/century. Overlaid graph in green is the zero trend in the 224 months since January 1997 – more than half the entire 440-month record.



The Pause is driving down the long-term warming trend

Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley The long and model-unpredicted Great Pause of 18 years 8 months in global mean lower-troposphere temperature as recorded in the RSS satellite monthly dataset is inexorably driving down the longer-run warming rate, when the IPCC’s predictions would have led us to expect an acceleration. The graph shows the…

Looks like the village of Brenchley is missing it's idiot.
 
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I'll put $20 that you didnt think this twenty years ago. Or maybe 15 years ago. You only changed your mind because after a while, you realized it was too embarrassing not to. Its because your political Randian bent is stronger than your logical/common sense bent.

You know, it's continued idiotic trolling like this, and the fact that you rarely contribute anything intelligent, as to why you are now on my IGNORE list.
 
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You know, it's continued idiotic trolling like this, and the fact that you rarely contribute anything intelligent, as to why you are now on my IGNORE list.

Guess I got too close to the truth....
 
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You really should not parade your ignorance like this.


The graph shows the entire RSS lower-troposphere satellite dataset for the 440 months January 1979 to August 2015, with the bright blue trend on the entire series equivalent to just over 1.2 C°/century. Overlaid graph in green is the zero trend in the 224 months since January 1997 – more than half the entire 440-month record.



The Pause is driving down the long-term warming trend

Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley The long and model-unpredicted Great Pause of 18 years 8 months in global mean lower-troposphere temperature as recorded in the RSS satellite monthly dataset is inexorably driving down the longer-run warming rate, when the IPCC’s predictions would have led us to expect an acceleration. The graph shows the…

The entire premise of the graph showing "cooling" is dependent on cherry picking from the start of the 1998 anomaly year in which there was a particularly strong El Nino.

Your "argument" rests on a single data point for a single year. It could not be any more superficial and insignificant.
 
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Actually, the simple statistic that perfectly captures what climate change means is this: The West has more money, how can we get it fast?

After everything is said and done, apparently money will cure Climate Change. Money as in transfers of wealth on historical scale to other countries.

For example, the latest "statistics" from the AGW brain trust:

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2774.html

​The US Owes the World $4 Trillion for Trashing the Climate | Motherboard

That, in super-basic terms, is the concept of climate debt, which guides current emissions negotiations and efforts to distribute funds for adaptation to nations most affected by climate change. If you acknowledge, as the UN does, that there’s a carbon budget—an amount of greenhouse gas pollution the world can collectively churn out before we land in dangerous warming territory, currently figured at a 2˚C threshold—then it follows that nations that have overstepped theirs should pay back those who haven’t.

But it’s a good way to envision the scale of the climate damage done by industrial nations, mostly the US, compared to the vast majority of countries coping with warming around the globe. Even China, “the world’s factory,” has nothing on the US’s past penchant for whipping up carbon pollution. That's good to remember, as many continue to point to the developing world as a source of rampant pollution: The US is the historic cause of this problem, and has done very little to make amends for it.​

So for those who attend regular Mass at the Church of AGW, get honest, it isn't the science, it's the money. Undeniable.

Wait, so you're telling me that there is a cost to pollution? No ****? Wait...wait....you're telling me that there is a cost associated with energy production? HOLY HELL.

I understand the need to dismiss the science because of the political ramifications associated with the scientific conclusions. Duke University has studied and quantified this human tendency. The politics and economics of AGW are certainly important, but they are important because of the science, not in spite of it.
 
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There are many ways to measure the world’s changing climate. You can chart rising global temperatures, rising sea levels and melting ice. What’s tougher, though, is to find a measurement that easily relates all of that to what people experience in their daily lives.

In a new study in Geophysical Research Letters, however, two Australian researchers do just this by examining a simple but telling meteorological metric — the ratio of new hot temperature records set in the country to new cold temperature records.

The study found that from 1910 to 1960, the ratio of hot to cold records was close to 1 to 1. From 1960 to 2014, however, that changed, as hot records started to happen much more frequently than cold records — and from 2000 to 2014, outnumbered them by more than 12 to 1.

The simple statistic that perfectly captures what climate change means - The Washington Post

How does that jive with the graphs that pin the beginning of the problem sometime in the 1880's? And how, exactly, do you propose to drop global emissions to pre 1960 levels? If you cant answer the second question, then you might as well just sit back and enjoy the warmer weather.
 
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Wait, so you're telling me that there is a cost to pollution? No ****? Wait...wait....you're telling me that there is a cost associated with energy production? HOLY HELL.

I understand the need to dismiss the science because of the political ramifications associated with the scientific conclusions. Duke University has studied and quantified this human tendency. The politics and economics of AGW are certainly important, but they are important because of the science, not in spite of it.


I understand the need to dismiss the colossal monetary windfalls for both scientists and countries underscoring the AGW effort. I wonder how much Duke got to prove it should be ignored.
 
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I'll put $20 that you didnt think this twenty years ago. Or maybe 15 years ago. You only changed your mind because after a while, you realized it was too embarrassing not to. Its because your political Randian bent is stronger than your logical/common sense bent.

Now its 'yes, its happening, but gosh - its might be natural based upon whatever crap I can pretend to believe in today (I think its sunspots this year)'.

Eventually, you'll transform into a lukewarmer - yes, man is doing it and yes it will be warm - but its a good thing and the good will outweigh the bad.

Then, as it becomes obvious that none of this is true, you'll insist you always knew AGW was real. But you'll probably be dead by then, so your conscience will be clear.

Outside of your obvious ignorance of what you call "Randianism" the biggest problem with you fear mongers on the left is the bogus package deal that underlies your argument. The 'thus, therefore' fraud you all engage in is since the globe is warming it is therefore the role of the state to do whatever it takes, regardless of individual right and liberties, to "solve" it. If what you believe is true--that human activity is warming the planet--there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
 
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I understand the need to dismiss the colossal monetary windfalls for both scientists and countries underscoring the AGW effort. I wonder how much Duke got to prove it should be ignored.

First off, to explain the Duke study. They studied the aversion and willingness to reject a conclusion when individuals do not like the proposed solutions to the problem. It is the same reasoning that would apply to climate change as well as to liberals who reject gun control studies. The Duke study did not try to support to reject climate change as a theory, but rather to understand why people are so willing to reject the science. And the reason, again, is because they do not like the political or economic ramifications.

Link: https://today.duke.edu/2014/11/solutionaversion

Second, the "colossal monetary windfalls for both scientists and countries" tends to fly into the face of actual fact: scientists are not going to become millionaires because they studied one aspect of climate change and countries are going to spend millions, if not billions, of dollars re-structuring their energy sectors and associated infrastructures.

Energy production costs money. Currently, there are a lot of people that are making a great deal of money from the status quo of energy production. To make the assertion that scientists and politicians are motivated by money that they could theoretically make on a theoretical new energy market, instead of capitalizing on the millions that exist in the current ACTUAL market, is a bit ridiculous. Possible? Sure. Ridiculous? Pretty much.
 
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How does that jive with the graphs that pin the beginning of the problem sometime in the 1880's? And how, exactly, do you propose to drop global emissions to pre 1960 levels? If you cant answer the second question, then you might as well just sit back and enjoy the warmer weather.

Converting energy production and most of our energy uses to some form of carbon neutral emission would work just fine for getting us to pre-1960s levels. As technology improves, and the cost associated with producing energy through solar, wind, tidal, or nuclear forces shrink, CO2 production will rapidly start to fall.

And I do not know what graphs you're referencing that "pin the beginning of the problem sometime in the 1880s."
 
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First off, to explain the Duke study. They studied the aversion and willingness to reject a conclusion when individuals do not like the proposed solutions to the problem. It is the same reasoning that would apply to climate change as well as to liberals who reject gun control studies. The Duke study did not try to support to reject climate change as a theory, but rather to understand why people are so willing to reject the science. And the reason, again, is because they do not like the political or economic ramifications.

Link: https://today.duke.edu/2014/11/solutionaversion

Second, the "colossal monetary windfalls for both scientists and countries" tends to fly into the face of actual fact: scientists are not going to become millionaires because they studied one aspect of climate change and countries are going to spend millions, if not billions, of dollars re-structuring their energy sectors and associated infrastructures.

Energy production costs money. Currently, there are a lot of people that are making a great deal of money from the status quo of energy production. To make the assertion that scientists and politicians are motivated by money that they could theoretically make on a theoretical new energy market, instead of capitalizing on the millions that exist in the current ACTUAL market, is a bit ridiculous. Possible? Sure. Ridiculous? Pretty much.
What is the proposed solution to AGW?
 
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Converting energy production and most of our energy uses to some form of carbon neutral emission would work just fine for getting us to pre-1960s levels. As technology improves, and the cost associated with producing energy through solar, wind, tidal, or nuclear forces shrink, CO2 production will rapidly start to fall.
That will take decades. If you are willing to wait for technology to solve the problem--as I am--why all the fear mongering and calls for immediate action you know will never come?
 
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Outside of your obvious ignorance of what you call "Randianism" the biggest problem with you fear mongers on the left is the bogus package deal that underlies your argument. The 'thus, therefore' fraud you all engage in is since the globe is warming it is therefore the role of the state to do whatever it takes, regardless of individual right and liberties, to "solve" it. If what you believe is true--that human activity is warming the planet--there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

If human activity is warming the planet, then human activity can stop the planet from warming.

And the reason that government is required to solve this problem is the same reason that governments are almost always required to solve environmental solutions. For example, You and I, as individuals, have almost zero incentive to clean a river because you and I, as individuals, contribute such a small amount of pollution to that river. So why would we, as individuals, clean up for everyone? We will not. And thus, we get stuff like Rivers on Fire.

You must have governmental involvement because you need a central figure to collect revenue and distribute resources to solve environmental issues.
 
Re: Capturing Global Warming in One Simple Statistic

There are many ways to measure the world’s changing climate. You can chart rising global temperatures, rising sea levels and melting ice. What’s tougher, though, is to find a measurement that easily relates all of that to what people experience in their daily lives.

In a new study in Geophysical Research Letters, however, two Australian researchers do just this by examining a simple but telling meteorological metric — the ratio of new hot temperature records set in the country to new cold temperature records.

The study found that from 1910 to 1960, the ratio of hot to cold records was close to 1 to 1. From 1960 to 2014, however, that changed, as hot records started to happen much more frequently than cold records — and from 2000 to 2014, outnumbered them by more than 12 to 1.

The simple statistic that perfectly captures what climate change means - The Washington Post

Which proves nothing except that liars can figure and figures can lie.

14 years is not even a pimple on a pimple on the ass of the world's climate over the years. I'm sure that anyone could find a set of temperatures somewhere that would prove exactly the opposite.
 
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What is the proposed solution to AGW?

Energy Production conversion, legislation to control CO2 production, new vehicle mandates, carbon tax credits, etc.
 
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Which proves nothing except that liars can figure and figures can lie.

14 years is not even a pimple on a pimple on the ass of the world's climate over the years. I'm sure that anyone could find a set of temperatures somewhere that would prove exactly the opposite.

Great - you go do that.
 
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That will take decades. If you are willing to wait for technology to solve the problem--as I am--why all the fear mongering and calls for immediate action you know will never come?

Because immediate action is the only way that we will get that technology in the decades to come. If you do not push and incentivize the development of the technologies that would eventually solve the problem, then those technologies will not get invented.
 
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What is the proposed solution to AGW?

That is really the only relevant question in the entire discussion of AGW. Outside of massive global governmental restrictions on every human activity, there is no solution. That is why the leftist fear mongers never address the issue. They simply want to create a catastrophic future that only government action can 'solve.' They do this one every issue, if you notice, so this is no real surprise.
 
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Because immediate action is the only way that we will get that technology in the decades to come. If you do not push and incentivize the development of the technologies that would eventually solve the problem, then those technologies will not get invented.

So let me get this straight. All you are calling for is for the state to subsidize new energy sources. Not massive restrictions on production or usage of current energy sources in the meantime.
 
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Great - you go do that.

It's been done, many times, by many people.
 
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It's been done, many times, by many people.

And yet, 97% of all peer-reviewed publications from climatologists still endorse AGW as a theory.
 
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So let me get this straight. All you are calling for is for the state to subsidize new energy sources. Not massive restrictions on production or usage of current energy sources in the meantime.

No, I advocate for much more than state subsidies for non-fossil fuel based energies. You just asked why we should take action now instead of just waiting for the new technologies to fall from the sky in a few decades.
 
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