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The Lucrative Climate Change Industry

Deuce said:
Brilliant response.

Yes they do. You see, if climate change is real, and the world really should push hard to move away from fossil fuels, those industries stand to lose a lot of money from potential future policy changes. It's a multi-trillion dollar industry. Delaying implementation of such policies for even a few years is worth a fortune. All it takes is spreading a bit of doubt to the right people.
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Greetings, Deuce. :2wave:

Sorry to jump in here, but since that's what I'm doing, here is my thought. We have had too many cases where an attempt is made to solve a problem in haste, without considering future ramifications of the solution. When this happens, it creates chaos, sometimes for a long time, since it seems to involve political fear-mongering on the part of those who wish for a quick resolution.

Climate has been changing for millions of years, and there are many theories on what causes such changes. We really don't know at this point why climate changes, but as an example, in the 70s we were told that we were going to enter another ice age, and people started to build underground homes to protect themselves, and it didn't happen, but people remember that! Now it's said that CO2 will cause this planet to overheat, but since we've seen a pause in heating for over 18 years, people are naturally very skeptical. Further, as many people have asked - how is causing the biggest transfer of wealth in history going to change the climate? - and it's a valid question that no one has yet answered. My :twocents:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Deuce. :2wave:

Sorry to jump in here, but since that's what I'm doing, here is my thought. We have had too many cases where an attempt is made to solve a problem in haste, without considering future ramifications of the solution. When this happens, it creates chaos, sometimes for a long time, since it seems to involve political fear-mongering on the part of those who wish for a quick resolution.

Climate has been changing for millions of years, and there are many theories on what causes such changes. We really don't know at this point why climate changes, but as an example, in the 70s we were told that we were going to enter another ice age, and people started to build underground homes to protect themselves, and it didn't happen, but people remember that! Now it's said that CO2 will cause this planet to overheat, but since we've seen a pause in heating for over 18 years, people are naturally very skeptical. Further, as many people have asked - how is causing the biggest transfer of wealth in history going to change the climate? - and it's a valid question that no one has yet answered. My :twocents:
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Would it surprise you to learn that no, actually, scientists did not tell you an ice age was coming?
 
Deuce said:
Would it surprise you to learn that no, actually, scientists did not tell you an ice age was coming?
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Yes it would. Who was doing the telling, then, because there are several underground homes in our area that were built specifically for that reason, and I know the people who built them. They're very expensive homes, too, and set back far enough from the street that you wouldn't even know there was a house there, and their properties are fenced like the WH in DC is. They must have felt there was a reason beyond a coming ice age that worried them, like starving people maybe? I don't know.
 
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polgara said:
Yes it would. Who was doing the telling, then, because there are several underground homes in our area that were built specifically for that reason, and I know the people who built them. They're very expensive homes, too, and set back far enough from the street that you wouldn't even know there was a house there, and their properties are fenced like the WH in DC is.
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There was a lot of media hype about an impending ice age. Most famously, a Time Magazine article talking about a coming ice age. Here's the reality:

In the 1970s, climate science was in its infancy. There were questions whether a cooling influence from increased particulates or a warming influence from increased greenhouse gases would be the stronger influence. In the scientific literature, some scientists did predict cooling in the near future. Not an ice age. Cooling. However, those scientists were in the minority. Most research predicted warming, a larger minority stated we didn't have enough information to predict that yet. Cooling was always the minority, and by the end of the 70s that was gone.

But you know how the media is. "Small number of scientists think world might get cooler in the next 50 years" doesn't sell magazines, now does it?
 
polgara said:
Yes it would. Who was doing the telling, then, because there are several underground homes in our area that were built specifically for that reason, and I know the people who built them. They're very expensive homes, too, and set back far enough from the street that you wouldn't even know there was a house there, and their properties are fenced like the WH in DC is. They must have felt there was a reason beyond a coming ice age that worried them, like starving people maybe? I don't know.
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You realize we have written records from the 70s, right?

And moreover, we have written scientific records.

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Anybody know how much of the $1.5 trillion went to R&D? I have a figure of $10 billion spent by US in 2012, but no idea how accurate it is.
 
dpcal said:
Anybody know how much of the $1.5 trillion went to R&D? I have a figure of $10 billion spent by US in 2012, but no idea how accurate it is.
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Of course not.

The number could be totally made up. The only way to know is to spend $995 on the report.

But JH sucked it up immediately.
 
Threegoofs said:
Gee....why would these companies fund places like the Heartland Institute then?
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The same reason they fund both democrat and republican candidates, to cover all the possible bases.
 
Here's the source publication.

[h=3]Climate Change Business Journal[/h]www.climatechangebusiness.com/


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[h=3]CCBJ[/h]Climate Change Business Journal covers opportunities and trends ...



[h=3]CCBJ Editions[/h]Current, Future and Archive Editions of CCBJ - Climate ...



[h=3]Climate Change News[/h]Climate Change Weekly News - Free Weekly Update of ...



[h=3]EBI Editors and Contributors[/h]Biographies of EBI editors and contributors working on Climate ...


 
If that's the case then wouldn't it make sense to make some money off of it and invest 401k in renewable energy?
- David
 
Jack Hays said:
Except that the oil company money goes to shareholders. (I know because I am one.) Keep flogging the funding red herring; it's all you've got left.
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So you're saying you have a vested interest in denying climate change? Got it.

One point that seems to be ignored here is the fact that the businesses who are spending all of that money on climate change consulting are rational actors themselves with an eye towards profit. As such, the businesses which are devoting a great deal of their capital towards green energy or attempting to reduce their CO2 footprint are not doing that simply because they want to waste money. Those businesses, which include many of the Fortune 500, are investing into the future to ensure that their future profits are preserved.

Even the oil and gas companies are devoting hundreds of millions into future energy sources because they recognize that the old models are and will continue to lose their efficiency and values.
 
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MrT said:
So you're saying you have a vested interest in denying climate change? Got it.

One point that seems to be ignored here is the fact that the businesses who are spending all of that money on climate change consulting are rational actors themselves with an eye towards profit. As such, the businesses which are devoting a great deal of their capital towards green energy or attempting to reduce their CO2 footprint are not doing that simply because they want to waste money. Those businesses, which include many of the Fortune 500, are investing into the future to ensure that their future profits are preserved.

Even the oil and gas companies are devoting hundreds of millions into future energy sources because they recognize that the old models are and will continue to lose their efficiency and values.
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Sadly my portfolio (although certainly valuable) is not weighty enough to be determinative. As for the rest, of course they're acting rationally; that's why they have a vested interest.
 
[h=1]Climate Crisis, Inc.[/h] $1.5 trillion and Larry Bell book explain how profiteers of climate doom keep the money flowing Guest Essay Paul Driessen No warming in 18 years, no category 3-5 hurricane hitting the USA in ten years, seas rising at barely six inches a century: computer models and hysteria are consistently contradicted by Real World experiences. So…
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Jack Hays said:
[h=1]Climate Crisis, Inc.[/h] $1.5 trillion and Larry Bell book explain how profiteers of climate doom keep the money flowing Guest Essay Paul Driessen No warming in 18 years, no category 3-5 hurricane hitting the USA in ten years, seas rising at barely six inches a century: computer models and hysteria are consistently contradicted by Real World experiences. So…
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Good Evening, Jack. :2wave:

This was one of the best articles I have read! :thumbs: Lots of people have wondered, in many cases silently, how those who continue to push an agenda that doesn't mesh with reality still stubbornly continue on the same path. It's not about reality - it's about big money to be made by a few! How disturbing! :thumbdown:
 
polgara said:
Good Evening, Jack. :2wave:

This was one of the best articles I have read! :thumbs: Lots of people have wondered, in many cases silently, how those who continue to push an agenda that doesn't mesh with reality still stubbornly continue on the same path. It's not about reality - it's about big money to be made by a few! How disturbing! :thumbdown:
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Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

We're back in NoVa now, after logging 600 road miles today. Glad you enjoyed the article.:mrgreen:
 
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