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Bill Nye Is Full of Beans: Botches CO2 Experiment

Not true. Start by converting the starting temperatures to kelvin, and look at the changes again.

Pretty sure it doesn't matter what scale is used: 1.29 times 0.68K would be the same temperature change ratio as 1.29 times the equivalent fahrenheit amount. But a 1K change is the same as a 1C change in any case, which is what I used.

Only if we are using sealed containers, then it may apply.

Again, kelvin and fourth power function.

I'd be interested in seeing the correct maths. I readily admit that you know more about this stuff than me, but that doesn't mean I'll take you word for it - you've been wrong before ;) The air container was closed (hence isochore values, you seem to agree) and the CO2 container was kept ajar by the hose (hence isobar values). So the air should need 0.02476kJ per 1/29th kg K, and the CO2 should need 0.0192kJ per 1/44th kg K - that is, for equal volumes of the two gases.

I would've thought that would mean that applying equal energy to equal volumes of the two would heat the CO2 1.29 times as much as the air (0.02476/0.0192).

Where and how does the 4th power come into it?

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The greenhouse effect of a gas cannot be simulated when it's inside of a greenhouse container...


If your numbers of just less than 20% absorption are correct (0.2 absorption index) then this alone if disqualifying the experiment.

It's not 20%, unless its absorption at 9 microns (absorption index, kλ 2.9) is 290%. It's stuff like that which make me question your expertise ;)

Optical constants of silica glass from extreme ultraviolet to far infrared at near room temperature (page 6 of the pdf)

I though we'd agreed that the red/near-infrared heat lamp used probably didn't radiate at the longer wavelengths of 14+ microns at which atmospheric CO2 is most effective: That was one of your earlier criticisms. But there are several CO2 absorption bands in the 2-6 micron range, which the lamp may well have covered, and at which silica glass does not absorb.

Even if the glass did contribute to retaining energy, that wouldn't change the fact that the CO2 did also, making it a genuine demonstration of CO2's IR absorption.
 
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LOL. Changing Kelvin to Celsius will change the results...despite the fact the change is exactly the same numerically!

This is why I don't waste time trying to decipher denier arguments....they make little sense when looked at carefully, and once you blow a hole in them, the denier pirouettes and ignores the blatant error like it never happened.
 
LOL. Changing Kelvin to Celsius will change the results...despite the fact the change is exactly the same numerically!

Well, 1K change = 1C change, but 37 Celsius is 310.15 Kelvin (as you'd know). I think I might know where LoP is going with this, and he may well be right, but I'll still need his guidance on the maths :lol:
 
OK, I confused index with coefficient.
 
Well, 1K change = 1C change, but 37 Celsius is 310.15 Kelvin (as you'd know). I think I might know where LoP is going with this, and he may well be right, but I'll still need his guidance on the maths :lol:

Temperature to radiative energy is a fourth power function. Now if I have one sample at 37 C, and another at 40 C, then the ratio of temperatures is 303.15 to 300.15 or 1.009995. The difference in radiated energy is to the fourth power, or 1.0406. Energy to temperature is the inverse function.

Therefore, it takes a four percent increase in energy to raise a 37 C sample to 40 C using radiative energy.
 
Temperature to radiative energy is a fourth power function. Now if I have one sample at 37 C, and another at 40 C, then the ratio of temperatures is 303.15 to 300.15 or 1.009995. The difference in radiated energy is to the fourth power, or 1.0406. Energy to temperature is the inverse function.

Therefore, it takes a four percent increase in energy to raise a 37 C sample to 40 C using radiative energy.

But the jars' initial temperatures were due primarily to the ambient temperature of the room (thermal energy), not radiant energy. (Though a room temperature of 37C is dubious, which is why the YouTube thermomoter snapshots are possibly a waste of time to begin with.)
 
But the jars' initial temperatures were due primarily to the ambient temperature of the room (thermal energy), not radiant energy. (Though a room temperature of 37C is dubious, which is why the YouTube thermomoter snapshots are possibly a waste of time to begin with.)
Regardless of the heat source causing the temperature, the temperature equilibrium is largely due to absorbed and emitted electromagnet radiation. As a solid or gas heats, it radiates out more power.

The youtube video is a total joke to begin with.
 
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