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There's a reason why Svensmark's papers have drawn a crescendo of interest. The data support his hypothesis.:peace

[h=2]More support for Svensmark’s cosmic ray modulation of Earth’s climate hypothesis[/h] Posted on April 10, 2014 by Anthony Watts
There is a new paper in Environmental Research Letters that give additional support to Henrik Svensmark’s cosmic ray hypothesis of climate change on Earth. The idea is basically this: the suns changing magnetic field has an influence on galactic cosmic rays, with a stronger magnetic field deflecting more cosmic rays and a weaker one allowing more into the solar system. The cosmic rays affect cloud formation on Earth by creating condensation nuclei. Here is a simplified block flowchart diagram of the process:

The authors of the the new paper have a similar but more detailed flowchart:
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Can't regulate, tax and redistribute that....what good is it!
 
Unfortunately, the correlation between low-level cloud cover and temperature which Svensmark illustrated in his 2007 paper in Astronomy & Geophysics seems if anything to be a positive one: Higher temperatures seem to correspond to more low-level clouds, not less. Low temperatures in the early 1990s were matched by low cloud cover. The 1998 temperature peak was matched by higher cloud cover, followed by the drop in both temperatures and cloud cover of 1999.

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The fact that more heat causes more evaporation may or may not help explain this.
 
Unfortunately, the correlation between low-level cloud cover and temperature which Svensmark illustrated in his 2007 paper in Astronomy & Geophysics seems if anything to be a positive one: Higher temperatures seem to correspond to more low-level clouds, not less. Low temperatures in the early 1990s were matched by low cloud cover. The 1998 temperature peak was matched by higher cloud cover, followed by the drop in both temperatures and cloud cover of 1999.

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The fact that more heat causes more evaporation may or may not help explain this.

Sorry but it doesn't work that way. Perhaps you haven't kept up with the literature.:peace
 
Unfortunately, the correlation between low-level cloud cover and temperature which Svensmark illustrated in his 2007 paper in Astronomy & Geophysics seems if anything to be a positive one: Higher temperatures seem to correspond to more low-level clouds, not less. Low temperatures in the early 1990s were matched by low cloud cover. The 1998 temperature peak was matched by higher cloud cover, followed by the drop in both temperatures and cloud cover of 1999.

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The fact that more heat causes more evaporation may or may not help explain this.

Have you posted the wrong graph?

This one show a correlation between cosmic rays and clouds.... It has a peak in 1987 for both, was 1987 very hot? 92 very clod?
 

Have you posted the wrong graph?

This one show a correlation between cosmic rays and clouds.... It has a peak in 1987 for both, was 1987 very hot? 92 very clod?

I know what the graph is about. Unlike some folk, I often try to look at the source rather than blogger's interpretations.

It also shows at least 2-3 obvious contradictions of the claimed claimed correspondance between warmer temperatures and less cloud cover. 1992 and 1993 were anomalously cold yes, due in part to the 1991 Pinatubo volcanic eruption, and we all know that 1998 was anomalously hot, followed by much cooler temperatures in 1999.

Whether or not cosmic radiation has some influence on cloud formation (a point presumably worth investigating, though it's worth noting from that paper that the correlation exists only once low clouds are considered separately from mid- and high-altitude clouds), obviously the primary influence on cloud formation is evaporation of water, relative to atmospheric temperature and pressure.

Like so many things it's a two-way street (clouds obviously do have a brief, local cooling influence) but asserting that the opposite relationship is dominant - that temperature trends are largely governed by cloud cover, rather than cloud cover depending on temperature trends - is a pretty tall order, especially when the data seems to destroy the hypothesized correlation and (partially) favour the more obvious expectations.
 
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We seem to be looking at different graphs.

The graph shows a very clear correspondence between cosmic rays and cloud cover. It does not show any temperature line on it.

That the theory that temperature should govern cloud cover seems straight forward is obvious. But it might be wrong. I don't know.

That the small changes in temperature we have experienced may be due to slight changes in cloud cover due to the influence of cosmic rays in their formation does not seem to me to be an outlandish idea. You seem to react overly defensively against it. Why? Does it not fit with your set conclusions?
 
We seem to be looking at different graphs.

The graph shows a very clear correspondence between cosmic rays and cloud cover. It does not show any temperature line on it.

And you don't know where to find that information?

That the theory that temperature should govern cloud cover seems straight forward is obvious. But it might be wrong. I don't know.

That the small changes in temperature we have experienced may be due to slight changes in cloud cover due to the influence of cosmic rays in their formation does not seem to me to be an outlandish idea.

And yet Svensmark's graph shows no appreciable overall increase in global average low-level cloud cover between 1985 and 2005, a period during which almost 0.4 degrees of warming occurred.

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You seem to react overly defensively against it. Why? Does it not fit with your set conclusions?

If a view seems, to amateur eyes, at odds with common sense and the available data - and prevailing scientific opinion - yet is spammed in a never-ending series of C&P threads, seems it'd be worth commenting on, should a person feel the urge. No doubt if the author of the thread has any intelligent contribution to make to help explain the apparent discrepancies, he will do so. You're free to form your own opinions on how 'defensive' this seems and what it may imply about me personally.
 
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If a view seems, to amateur eyes, at odds with common sense and the available data - and prevailing scientific opinion - yet is spammed in a never-ending series of C&P threads, seems it'd be worth commenting on, should a person feel the urge. No doubt if the author of the thread has any intelligent contribution to make to help explain the apparent discrepancies, he will do so. You're free to form your own opinions on how 'defensive' this seems and what it may imply about me personally.

The promotion of understanding remains my goal.:peace

Calder's Updates | Nigel Calder takes the pulse of science, as the ...

calderup.wordpress.com/‎
Apr 24, 2012 - Nigel Calder takes the pulse of science, as the author of Magic Universe and Einstein's Universe. He checks predictions of the past half-century ...

Here is the Svensmark hypothesis in a nutshell. The link above also includes a great deal of additional information and discussion of related issues, criticism and Svensmark's replies. Enjoy.:peace

The Svensmark hypothesis in a nutshell
Illustration from Svensmark, “The Adventurous Journey of Spaceship Earth” DTU Yearbook 2009



  • Cosmic rays, high-energy particles raining down from exploded stars, knock electrons out of air molecules.
  • The electrons help clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules to form, which can grow into cloud condensation nuclei – seeds on which water droplets form to make clouds.
  • Low clouds made with liquid water droplets cool the Earth’s surface.
  • Variations in the Sun’s magnetic activity alter the influx of cosmic rays to the Earth.
  • When the Sun is lazy, magnetically speaking, there are more cosmic rays and more low clouds, and the world is cooler.
  • When the Sun is active fewer cosmic rays reach the Earth and, with fewer low clouds, the world warms up.
  • The Sun became unusually active during the 20th Century and as a result “global warming” occurred.
  • Recently (2006-2010) the Sun has been unusually lazy and “global warming” seems to have gone into reverse, as expected by the Svensmark hypothesis.
  • Coolings and warmings of around 2 deg. C have occurred repeatedly over the past 10,000 years, as the Sun’s activity and the cosmic ray influx have varied.
  • Over many millions of year, much larger variations of up to 10 deg. C occur as the Sun and Earth, travelling through the Galaxy, visit regions with more or fewer exploding stars.

For objections to the Svensmark hypothesis and answers to them, see Falsification tests:peace
 
The stuff about cosmic radiation variation over 500 million years is interesting. The theory suggests that changes in marine biodiversity over the period can be correlated with two main factors: Changes in ocean depth - and hence the extent and range of continental shelf habitats available for exploitation - and changes in incoming cosmic radiation as deduced from the proximity of star clusters with supernovae. However in the paper referenced Svensmark himself notes that an influence on biodiversity caused by varying cosmic radiation from nearby supernovae need not be due to climatic changes:

The connection with SN rates revealed in Fig. 20 adds to the mix of hypotheses, by providing strong evidence that Galactic cosmic rays (GCR) have influenced the course of evolution. Since H.J. Muller in the 1920s showed that ionizing radiation causes genetic mutations (Muller 1927), an obvious contribution of GCR to evolution has been well known - namely in provoking some of the mutations on which natural selection works. The importance of GCR in this respect remains uncertain because other causes of mutagenesis include solar protons, radioactivity, environmental chemicals, thermal shock and transcription errors. Natural repair mechanisms that organisms possess may be better adapted to continuous hazards like GCR than to rare events like thermal shock.

On the other hand, GCR seem to exert a strong though indirect evolutionary influence by varying the climate. A persistently warm climate tends to reduce global biodiversity, because there is little motivation to evolve, dominant species keep others in check, and there is less variety in habitats and living conditions between the tropics and the polar regions. In a cold and variable climate, on the other hand, the dominant species are stressed and this gives opportunities to other species, in accordance with the intermediate disturbance hypothesis that traces back to Grime (1973). Cold conditions also provide a greater variety of habitats and living conditions.

Svensmark 2012, Evidence of nearby supernovae affecting life on Earth; Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society

In other words whilst acknowledging both the environmental variations associated with changing sea levels and the probable mutagenic influence of cosmic radiation variation, his theory seeks to emphasise a second kind of environmental variation instead. But it looks like he offers nothing but speculation for downplaying the mutagenic role.

Furthermore, the suggestion that cosmic radiation variations directly caused the climate shifts discussed seems questionable. Once again, Svensmark himself suggests a correlation between supernova rates and both climate and CO2:

As glacial versus warm conditions seem to follow SN rates (Figs. 17 and 18) one can look for matches between CO2, 13C and SN rates. In the case of CO2, data are sparse in the earlier part of the 500-Myr record considered here, but more abundant later. In Fig. 21 the proxies for CO2 are paleosols (fossil soils) which offer the longest time-span although less accurate at low CO2 (Royer et al. 2001) and fossil planktonic foraminifera organisms from the oceans (Royer 2006). The CO2 scale is inverted because because high SN rates (cold climate) and low CO2 go together, and the logarithm of the CO2 concentrations is used, on the assumption that the relation is not linear, in particular when the when CO2 is scarce. The match between CO2 and SN rates encourages further pursuit of the hypothesis in respect of δ13C, as a possible indicator of primary productivity.

He suggests that the variations in CO2 may be caused by biological cycles due to the relative abundance of life. But from a (very brief) glance he does not seem to address the possibility that the climate variations may (partly or largely) have been a consequence of changing CO2 levels. See for example
Royer et al 2004, CO2 as a primary driver of Phanerozoic climate; GSA Today (Geological Society of America)



In short Svensmark proposes the sequence
GCR change -> Cloud cover change -> Climate change -> Diversity/abundance change -> CO2 change
while a different sequence
GCR change -> Mutation change -> Diversity/abundance change -> CO2 change -> Climate change
seems like a plausible alternative, to amateur eyes at least.

On that point it's worth noting that whether or not cosmic radiation has some influence on cloud nuclei, I'm still not seeing any persuasive case for a clear long-term correlation with global cloud cover, and especially not with modern observed temperature trends. On the contrary, the recent GCR-variation graph which Calder provides on that page ("from a 2007 report by Svensmark and the Institute’s director, Eigil Friis-Christensen") extends the non-correspondance between GCR and temperature back 50 years! It implies that GCR had made essentially no net contribution to global warming between 1960 and 1990, or between 1970 and 2000/2005. A vague correlation emerges only once the warming trend is removed; in Calder's words:

In the upper panel the temperatures roughly follow the solar cycle. The match is much better when well-known effects of other natural disturbances (El Niño, North Atlantic Oscillation, big volcanoes) are removed, together with an upward trend of 0.14 deg. C per decade. The trend may be partly due to man-made greenhouse gases, but the magnitude of their contribution is debatable.


If the correlation between GCR and mid/long-term climate trends exists only once the mid/long-term climate trends are removed, where does that leave the theory?
 
The stuff about cosmic radiation variation over 500 million years is interesting. The theory suggests that changes in marine biodiversity over the period can be correlated with two main factors: Changes in ocean depth - and hence the extent and range of continental shelf habitats available for exploitation - and changes in incoming cosmic radiation as deduced from the proximity of star clusters with supernovae. However in the paper referenced Svensmark himself notes that an influence on biodiversity caused by varying cosmic radiation from nearby supernovae need not be due to climatic changes:

The connection with SN rates revealed in Fig. 20 adds to the mix of hypotheses, by providing strong evidence that Galactic cosmic rays (GCR) have influenced the course of evolution. Since H.J. Muller in the 1920s showed that ionizing radiation causes genetic mutations (Muller 1927), an obvious contribution of GCR to evolution has been well known - namely in provoking some of the mutations on which natural selection works. The importance of GCR in this respect remains uncertain because other causes of mutagenesis include solar protons, radioactivity, environmental chemicals, thermal shock and transcription errors. Natural repair mechanisms that organisms possess may be better adapted to continuous hazards like GCR than to rare events like thermal shock.

On the other hand, GCR seem to exert a strong though indirect evolutionary influence by varying the climate. A persistently warm climate tends to reduce global biodiversity, because there is little motivation to evolve, dominant species keep others in check, and there is less variety in habitats and living conditions between the tropics and the polar regions. In a cold and variable climate, on the other hand, the dominant species are stressed and this gives opportunities to other species, in accordance with the intermediate disturbance hypothesis that traces back to Grime (1973). Cold conditions also provide a greater variety of habitats and living conditions.

Svensmark 2012, Evidence of nearby supernovae affecting life on Earth; Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society

In other words whilst acknowledging both the environmental variations associated with changing sea levels and the probable mutagenic influence of cosmic radiation variation, his theory seeks to emphasise a second kind of environmental variation instead. But it looks like he offers nothing but speculation for downplaying the mutagenic role.

Furthermore, the suggestion that cosmic radiation variations directly caused the climate shifts discussed seems questionable. Once again, Svensmark himself suggests a correlation between supernova rates and both climate and CO2:

As glacial versus warm conditions seem to follow SN rates (Figs. 17 and 18) one can look for matches between CO2, 13C and SN rates. In the case of CO2, data are sparse in the earlier part of the 500-Myr record considered here, but more abundant later. In Fig. 21 the proxies for CO2 are paleosols (fossil soils) which offer the longest time-span although less accurate at low CO2 (Royer et al. 2001) and fossil planktonic foraminifera organisms from the oceans (Royer 2006). The CO2 scale is inverted because because high SN rates (cold climate) and low CO2 go together, and the logarithm of the CO2 concentrations is used, on the assumption that the relation is not linear, in particular when the when CO2 is scarce. The match between CO2 and SN rates encourages further pursuit of the hypothesis in respect of δ13C, as a possible indicator of primary productivity.

He suggests that the variations in CO2 may be caused by biological cycles due to the relative abundance of life. But from a (very brief) glance he does not seem to address the possibility that the climate variations may (partly or largely) have been a consequence of changing CO2 levels. See for example
Royer et al 2004, CO2 as a primary driver of Phanerozoic climate; GSA Today (Geological Society of America)



In short Svensmark proposes the sequence
GCR change -> Cloud cover change -> Climate change -> Diversity/abundance change -> CO2 change
while a different sequence
GCR change -> Mutation change -> Diversity/abundance change -> CO2 change -> Climate change
seems like a plausible alternative, to amateur eyes at least.

On that point it's worth noting that whether or not cosmic radiation has some influence on cloud nuclei, I'm still not seeing any persuasive case for a clear long-term correlation with global cloud cover, and especially not with modern observed temperature trends. On the contrary, the recent GCR-variation graph which Calder provides on that page ("from a 2007 report by Svensmark and the Institute’s director, Eigil Friis-Christensen") extends the non-correspondance between GCR and temperature back 50 years! It implies that GCR had made essentially no net contribution to global warming between 1960 and 1990, or between 1970 and 2000/2005. A vague correlation emerges only once the warming trend is removed; in Calder's words:

In the upper panel the temperatures roughly follow the solar cycle. The match is much better when well-known effects of other natural disturbances (El Niño, North Atlantic Oscillation, big volcanoes) are removed, together with an upward trend of 0.14 deg. C per decade. The trend may be partly due to man-made greenhouse gases, but the magnitude of their contribution is debatable.


If the correlation between GCR and mid/long-term climate trends exists only once the mid/long-term climate trends are removed, where does that leave the theory?

Thank you for a thoughtful post. I'll just rely on Calder.


Here are the main results:


The long-term diversity of life in the sea depends on the sea-level set by plate tectonics and the local supernova rate set by the astrophysics, and on virtually nothing else.


The long-term primary productivity of life in the sea – the net growth of photosynthetic microbes – depends on the supernova rate, and on virtually nothing else.


Exceptionally close supernovae account for short-lived falls in sea-level during the past 500 million years, long-known to geophysicists but never convincingly explained..


As the geological and astronomical records converge, the match between climate and supernova rates gets better and better, with high rates bringing icy times.


Presented with due caution as well as with consideration for the feelings of experts in several fields of research, a story unfolds in which everything meshes like well-made clockwork. Anyone who wishes to pooh-pooh any piece of it by saying “correlation is not necessarily causality” should offer some other mega-theory that says why several mutually supportive coincidences arise between events in our galactic neighbourhood and living conditions on the Earth.


An amusing point is that Svensmark stands the currently popular carbon dioxide story on its head. Some geoscientists want to blame the drastic alternations of hot and icy conditions during the past 500 million years on increases and decreases in carbon dioxide, which they explain in intricate ways. For Svensmark, the changes driven by the stars govern the amount of carbon dioxide in the air. Climate and life control CO2, not the other way around.
 
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This is what I wanted to post in #11 but the iPad was too limited.:peace

Here are the main results:
The long-term diversity of life in the sea depends on the sea-level set by plate tectonics and the local supernova rate set by the astrophysics, and on virtually nothing else.
The long-term primary productivity of life in the sea – the net growth of photosynthetic microbes – depends on the supernova rate, and on virtually nothing else.
Exceptionally close supernovae account for short-lived falls in sea-level during the past 500 million years, long-known to geophysicists but never convincingly explained..
As the geological and astronomical records converge, the match between climate and supernova rates gets better and better, with high rates bringing icy times.
Presented with due caution as well as with consideration for the feelings of experts in several fields of research, a story unfolds in which everything meshes like well-made clockwork. Anyone who wishes to pooh-pooh any piece of it by saying “correlation is not necessarily causality” should offer some other mega-theory that says why several mutually supportive coincidences arise between events in our galactic neighbourhood and living conditions on the Earth.
An amusing point is that Svensmark stands the currently popular carbon dioxide story on its head. Some geoscientists want to blame the drastic alternations of hot and icy conditions during the past 500 million years on increases and decreases in carbon dioxide, which they explain in intricate ways. For Svensmark, the changes driven by the stars govern the amount of carbon dioxide in the air. Climate and life control CO2, not the other way around.
By implication, supernovae also determine the amount of oxygen available for animals like you and me to breathe. So the inherently simple cosmic-ray/cloud hypothesis now has far-reaching consequences, which I’ve tried to sum up in this diagram.
Cosmic rays in action. The main findings in the new Svensmark paper concern the uppermost stellar band, the green band of living things and, on the right, atmospheric chemistry. Although solar modulation of galactic cosmic rays is important to us on short timescales, its effects are smaller and briefer than the major long-term changes controlled by the rate of formation of big stars in our vicinity, and their self-destruction as supernovae. Although copyrighted, this figure may be reproduced with due acknowledgement in the context of Henrik Svensmark's work.

 
Another month among the leaders at Oxford Journals.:peace

[h=3]Reports — Most-Read Articles during March 2014[/h]astrogeo.oxfordjournals.org/reports/most-read‎Astronomy & Geophysics


Apr 4, 2014 - Most-Read Articles during March 2014 ... Careers in astronomy in Germany and the UK A&G (2014) 55 (2): 2.31-2.37 ... Henrik Svensmark.You've visited this page 4 times. Last visit: 3/31/14
 
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