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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The hysteria on Global Warming has risen from 20 years of warming between 1980 and 2000. It seems to me that 10 years of cooling is about 50% as long as 20 years of warming...

    Let's see... the locomotive leaves Chicago, carry the one... Yep! About half as long.

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    Ah, so misguided hysteria is an excuse to make the same mistake in the other direction, gotcha.

    How you look at that graph and don't come to the conclusion that it's getting warmer over time is beyond me. Since 1920 it's generally an upward movement and since the 70's it's even more rapid.


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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Not to nit pick, but this has not been elevated to the level of being a hypothesis and cannot be until there is a test defined to falsify this notion.

    The notion is yet to be proven. Falsifying the unproven is a waste of time.

    Unproven =/= big conspiracy.


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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, so misguided hysteria is an excuse to make the same mistake in the other direction, gotcha.

    How you look at that graph and don't come to the conclusion that it's getting warmer over time is beyond me. Since 1920 it's generally an upward movement and since the 70's it's even more rapid.


    If you look for the actual moves upward and the periods of little or no change, you will see that from about 1880 to about 1920, there is little if any net warming. From about 1920 to about 1940 there is warming. From about 1940 to about 1980, little if any net warming. From about 1980 to about 2000, there is once again warming. Then in about 2000, the warming seems to stop again. It is key to note here that if the CO2 was the prime driver, the temperature rise up to 2000 would have continued. If the 60 year cycle was dominant, the warming would have ended.

    It ended.

    If there is a general warming that occurs on a 60 years long cycle with 20 years of warming followed by 40 years of suability, this should have happened.

    This is not to say that CO2 is not a GHG. it is only to show that there are other real explanations from REAL scientists based on real data that explain temperature rise without relying on the politically profitable CO2 bogey man.

    This also seems to use the novel approach (to AGW Science) of using data to form a conclusion instead of using a conclusion to form that data.

    http://people.duke.edu/~ns2002/pdf/M...etta-60-yr.pdf

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    In conclusion, the findings of this work indicate that the global climate likely presents a ~60-year oscillation since at least 1700. This natural oscillation was in its warm phase during the period 19702000 and has likely largely contrib- uted to the global warming during this period. Scafetta (2010) evaluated that about 60% of the warming observed since 1970s could be associated to a 60-year oscillation. Moreover, this quasi 60-year oscillation does not appear to have a constant amplitude.
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    In conclusion, the finding of this paper confirms a quasi 60-year cycle in the climate system that also further confirms the result of Loehle and Scafetta (2011) that the climate models used by the IPCC have significantly overestimated the anthropogenic effect on climate since 1950 by three to four times.
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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Unproven =/= big conspiracy.


    No such thing.

    A good scientist will maintain an open mind. I am sure that most of the scientists who are proponents of the unfounded and unproved AGW ideas on warming will concede that it is within the realm of possibility that there is a different cause that is more important than CO2, but that they are not certain to a degree of 100%.
    Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, ...every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. -George Orwell

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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Surface temperatures have NOT risen steadily. The rise has erratic
    Cute. Another person who doesn't understand statistics. The data for temperature rises over the past 40+ years has shown a distinct and steady line of temperature increases. If you look at a small bit of data as deniers like you do, do, it looks erratic. But when you look at the long term data, there is no question at ALL that there is a clear line of increasing temperatures. There are years where it doesn't rise as much, goes down a bit, but the long term data all shows temperatures rising.

    The data to support the rise of temperature has been revised on at least three occasions by NASA indicating that NASA thinks that the data upon which they rely is suspect.
    Or they just got better data.

    Really, the only reliable data we have for temperature change started in about 1978 with the weather satellites. Previous estimates relied heavily on regional averaging and adjustments of the actual data.

    Regarding the temperature of the Oceans, while you are quoting the popular dogma, the actual data collection in a verifiably scientific methodology started in only about 2005 after the deployment and calibration of the ARGO Array of Buoys. Since then, the beginning temperatures were surprisingly low. Following that the changes have been statistically insignificant, but do indicate cooling.

    REAL science is in variance to what AGW Science states with increasingly false and shrill passion.
    How are the temperatures surprisingly low? Do you have any concept of ocean acidification?

    The notion that the planet is cooling is insane. Plants are speeding up their germination timings to coincide with warming temperature coming sooner. Animals and plants are heading towards the poles every year. Winter melts are happening earlier and earlier. None of this supports a cooling planet at all.

    It's funny to see "conservatives" having to essentially call the woodsmen and outdoorsmen who've spent their lives out in the country liars to argue that the planet isn't warming.
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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Cute. Another person who doesn't understand statistics. The data for temperature rises over the past 40+ years has shown a distinct and steady line of temperature increases. If you look at a small bit of data as deniers like you do, do, it looks erratic. But when you look at the long term data, there is no question at ALL that there is a clear line of increasing temperatures. There are years where it doesn't rise as much, goes down a bit, but the long term data all shows temperatures rising.
    So what ?

    Do you have any concept of ocean acidification?
    Of course. Its the next big taxable scare they've got waiting in the wings for when AGW finally bites the dust

    The notion that the planet is cooling is insane. Plants are speeding up their germination timings to coincide with warming temperature coming sooner. Animals and plants are heading towards the poles every year. Winter melts are happening earlier and earlier. None of this supports a cooling planet at all.
    And whats not to like about increased yields caused by longer growing seasons and increases in arable land in what were previously regions of tundra ?

    It's funny to see "conservatives" having to essentially call the woodsmen and outdoorsmen who've spent their lives out in the country liars to argue that the planet isn't warming
    I'm not conservative but I'm curious as to why you feel that has any relevence whatsoever here ?

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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So what?
    What do you mean "so what?"

    Long term trends show rising temperatures. That alone refutes the notion of a cooling planet.

    Of course. Its the next big taxable scare they've got waiting in the wings for when AGW finally bites the dust
    I see the chemistry and biology are not strong with you.

    And whats not to like about increased yields caused by longer growing seasons and increases in arable land in what were previously regions of tundra ?
    Desertification of large portions of formerly habitable living space. Losing entire species who cannot move fast enough. Having to relocate millions of people.

    I'm not conservative but I'm curious as to why you feel that has any relevence whatsoever here ?
    Because these people are describing the changes that support a warming planet. People like Code have to basically call them liars to argue the world is cooling. If the world was cooling, we should see the OPPOSITE of what the back country shows. It's funny seeing Conservatives who like to cultivate the outdoors, rugged manly mystic only to cast those living it as liars.
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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What do you mean "so what?"

    Long term trends show rising temperatures. That alone refutes the notion of a cooling planet..

    "Long Term Trends" ... you have no concept of what constitutes a long term trend in global climate.

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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    "Long Term Trends" ... you have no concept of what constitutes a long term trend in global climate.
    I'm ignorant because you said so?

    Is that the best that self proclaimed "Conservatives" can come up with these days?
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    Re: And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% [

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What do you mean "so what?"
    I mean why do you feel this is of any consequence ?

    I see the chemistry and biology are not strong with you.
    No Its just I dont suck up every environmentalist scare story I read as if it was gospel

    Desertification of large portions of formerly habitable living space. Losing entire species who cannot move fast enough. Having to relocate millions of people.
    People and species will adapt just like they have during other such dynamic changes over recent millenia. Todays is nothing special in either its level or rate of change. Your 'cannot move fast enough' comment made me chortle though

    Because these people are describing the changes that support a warming planet. People like Code have to basically call them liars to argue the world is cooling. If the world was cooling, we should see the OPPOSITE of what the back country shows. It's funny seeing Conservatives who like to cultivate the outdoors, rugged manly mystic only to cast those living it as liars.
    Politics have nothing whatsoever to do with this . The climate will do what it will do irrespective of anything we will do or have done. It always has and always will whether we are here or not.
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