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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    Why are there no politicians attempting to replace coal with nuclear power. Coal miners and workers can be retrained and coal plant owners can just become nuclear plant owners. I think this should be done with tax breaks. This would cut a good amount of carbon.
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    Why are there no politicians attempting to replace coal with nuclear power. Coal miners and workers can be retrained and coal plant owners can just become nuclear plant owners. I think this should be done with tax breaks. This would cut a good amount of carbon.
    What are the long term effects of a worst case scenario of a coal power plant verses a worst case scenario of a nuclear power plant? I never heard of a coal power plant explosion causing a city to be uninhabitable for 180-320 years
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    What are the long term effects of a worst case scenario of a coal power plant verses a worst case scenario of a nuclear power plant? I never heard of a coal power plant explosion causing a city to be uninhabitable for 180-320 years
    hasn't happened at a nuke plant here in the USA either....can't count Chernobyl, no containment was an invitation to disaster....
    so we have the Japanese fiasco, and they KNEW it was possible....
    However, your worst case scenario for a nuke is for an unlikely incidence, while the worst case for coal is that operates normally, without incidence, and poisons our air every day for its lifespan, killing us slowly....and on occasion, many of us quickly.. Inversion layer, coal stack gases, death....
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    hasn't happened at a nuke plant here in the USA either....can't count Chernobyl, no containment was an invitation to disaster....
    so we have the Japanese fiasco, and they KNEW it was possible....
    However, your worst case scenario for a nuke is for an unlikely incidence, while the worst case for coal is that operates normally, without incidence, and poisons our air every day for its lifespan, killing us slowly....and on occasion, many of us quickly.. Inversion layer, coal stack gases, death....
    How many deaths are directly contributed to coal plants exactly? Let's just say in the last year... 2010?
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

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    How many deaths are directly contributed to coal plants exactly? Let's just say in the last year... 2010?
    This site says 30,000 per year. That's probably only the US.
    STUDY SAYS COAL PLANT POLLUTION KILLS 30,000 A YEAR

    This site says 170,000 per worldwide
    POLLUTION DEATHS FROM FOSSIL FUEL-BASED POWER PLANTS - Yarra Valley Climate Action Group

    This site says for every one death by nuclear, 4,000 die by coal
    Death Rate From Nuclear Power Vs Coal? This May Surprise You
    Seth Godin recently posted this simplified chart, from an altogether more complicated one. He maintains that this is a simple yet non-exaggerated version of the complicated one. The point is that for each person killed by nuclear power generation, 4,000 die from coal. This is adjusted for how much power is produced by each method of power generation.
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    This site says 30,000 per year. That's probably only the US.
    STUDY SAYS COAL PLANT POLLUTION KILLS 30,000 A YEAR

    This site says 170,000 per worldwide
    POLLUTION DEATHS FROM FOSSIL FUEL-BASED POWER PLANTS - Yarra Valley Climate Action Group

    This site says for every one death by nuclear, 4,000 die by coal
    Death Rate From Nuclear Power Vs Coal? This May Surprise You
    a while back, maybe 12 years or so, there was a steam pipe rupture at the 4 corners COAL plant, killed some operators....
    the Phoenix paper reported it as deaths at a Nuclear facility....guess since Arizona Public Service was operator and part owner of that plant and the Palo Verde Nuclear Generation Statin west of Phoenix, the writer assumed that all the plants are nuclear...

    Form coal mining to disposal of ash, from uranium mining to storage of spent fuel, the cycles are in no way similar when it comes to loss of human life.
    Coal kills thousands, Nuclear kills few...
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    a while back, maybe 12 years or so, there was a steam pipe rupture at the 4 corners COAL plant, killed some operators....
    the Phoenix paper reported it as deaths at a Nuclear facility....guess since Arizona Public Service was operator and part owner of that plant and the Palo Verde Nuclear Generation Statin west of Phoenix, the writer assumed that all the plants are nuclear...

    Form coal mining to disposal of ash, from uranium mining to storage of spent fuel, the cycles are in no way similar when it comes to loss of human life.
    Coal kills thousands, Nuclear kills few...
    Yup. Also, people arguing against nuclear always mention disposing of waste. The process of just getting coal is orders of magnitude more damaging to the environment than nuclear waste disposal (although I don't recommend dumping it anywhere in the ocean).
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    Re: replacing coal power plants with nuclear power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    This site says 30,000 per year. That's probably only the US.
    STUDY SAYS COAL PLANT POLLUTION KILLS 30,000 A YEAR

    This site says 170,000 per worldwide
    POLLUTION DEATHS FROM FOSSIL FUEL-BASED POWER PLANTS - Yarra Valley Climate Action Group

    This site says for every one death by nuclear, 4,000 die by coal
    Death Rate From Nuclear Power Vs Coal? This May Surprise You
    Ya know - I certainly know people who have died in car accidents. In fact, last year about 32,000 people died in car accidents. I don't know anyone who's died from coal. So the 30,000 number while wildly entertaining, is probably made up of all sorts of assumptions that have no place in reality. And really --- eco-mail, greenshopping? I sorta figure the numbers might be a bit inflated. Worldwide, I have no clue... that may or may not be correct However, clean coal and the particulate washing didn't seem to enter into the study posted. Here's something 11 years more recent -

    Switching from coal to natural gas would do little for global climate, study indicates


    Give me a little while and I'm sure I'll find a study that shows conclusively, posting on political forums contributes to cancer which kills more than 30,000 a year...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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