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Ocean levels being "fudged" to fake global warming data

ptif219 said:
The liberal media says it over and over through Hansen,Gore and even Turner plus the IPCC should I go on
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The world media reports on the scientifically sound research being done around the world by tens of thousands of scientists who are working on the global warming/climate change problem. The rightwingnut denier cult echo chamber repeats the same long debunked myths, misinformation and lies "over and over" to bamboozle the gullible cons into disbelieving the experts for political reasons.
 
livefree said:
The world media reports on the scientifically sound research being done around the world by tens of thousands of scientists who are working on the global warming/climate change problem. The rightwingnut denier cult echo chamber repeats the same long debunked myths, misinformation and lies "over and over" to bamboozle the gullible cons into disbelieving the experts for political reasons.
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Thats funny. But they seldom report the corruption or the lies or deceptions. The media only reports what they want you to hear and then repeat it over and over
 
Deuce said:
No, I know what I said. I want you to explain how that "explains GW perfectly."
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The media repeats Hansen and Gore and others over and over. They had schools play Gores movie of lies in schools. We always hear about The IPCC and others in the media but deniers are never seen on the liberal media. That is why on these forums it is blogs the deniers are not allowed a voice.

You showed hoe the GW community gets out their message and denies any dissenting facts or opinions
 
ptif219 said:
The media repeats Hansen and Gore and others over and over. They had schools play Gores movie of lies in schools. We always hear about The IPCC and others in the media but deniers are never seen on the liberal media. That is why on these forums it is blogs the deniers are not allowed a voice.

You showed hoe the GW community gets out their message and denies any dissenting facts or opinions
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That's not what I was talking about at all, sorry.

I'm talking about people's ability to critically assess information for themselves. You shouldn't have to listen to bloggers or radio talk show hosts. You should have been taught the skills necessary to track down the information yourself and come to your own conclusion, but too many people have not been taught that skill. High school students aren't learning enough about how the scientific process works, or how to properly look up this information, or anything at all about statistics. These are core skills to a proper scientific assessment of any scientific subject, not just global warming.

Our country's education system is not providing these skills. It's a problem.
 
ptif219 said:
The media repeats Hansen and Gore and others over and over.
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That's because Hansen is one of the top climate scientists who accurately conveys the factual information about the current state of knowledge in that field and Vice President Gore is someone working to alert the public about the scientific facts. The media should be giving them even more coverage.



ptif219 said:
They had schools play Gores movie of lies in schools.
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It is only very deluded and brainwashed denier cultists who, for political reasons, imagine that "An Inconvenient Truth" is not factual and accurate. That is one of the many crackpot myths of the cult. Many of the world's foremost climate scientists have affirmed the validity of the facts presented in that movie.

Does Al Gore get the science right in the movie An Inconvenient Truth?
The National Snow and Ice Data Center
07 July 2006
(excerpts)

We know that a lot of people wonder if the science presented in An Inconvenient Truth is correct. NSIDC scientists Dr. Walt Meier and Dr. Ted Scambos answered some Frequently Asked Questions about the snow and ice science presented in the movie.

As a scientist who studies the climate, what do you think of the movie?

TED: I think An Inconvenient Truth does an excellent job of outlining the science behind global warming and the challenges society faces in the coming century because of it.

WALT: I agree. I think Gore has the basic message right. But we thought we could clarify a few things about the information concerning snow, ice, and the poles.


Scientists OK Gore's Movie for Accuracy

By SETH BORENSTEIN
The Associated Press
June 27, 2006
(excerpts)

WASHINGTON -- The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.

The former vice president's movie _ replete with the prospect of a flooded New York City, an inundated Florida, more and nastier hurricanes, worsening droughts, retreating glaciers and disappearing ice sheets _ mostly got the science right, said all 19 climate scientists who had seen the movie or read the book and answered questions from The Associated Press.

But those who have seen it had the same general impression: Gore conveyed the science correctly; the world is getting hotter and it is a manmade catastrophe-in-the-making caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

"Excellent," said William Schlesinger, dean of the Nicholas School of Environment and Earth Sciences at Duke University. "He got all the important material and got it right."

Robert Corell, chairman of the worldwide Arctic Climate Impact Assessment group of scientists, read the book and saw Gore give the slideshow presentation that is woven throughout the documentary.

"I sat there and I'm amazed at how thorough and accurate," Corell said. "After the presentation I said, `Al, I'm absolutely blown away. There's a lot of details you could get wrong.' ... I could find no error."

Gore, in an interview with the AP, said he wasn't surprised "because I took a lot of care to try to make sure the science was right."

While some nonscientists could be depressed by the dire disaster-laden warmer world scenario that Gore laid out, one top researcher thought it was too optimistic. Tom Wigley, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, thought the former vice president sugarcoated the problem by saying that with already-available technologies and changes in habit _ such as changing light bulbs _ the world could help slow or stop global warming.

"They are quite literally afraid to know the truth," Gore said. "Because if you accept the truth of what the scientific community is saying, it gives you a moral imperative to start to rein in the 70 million tons of global warming pollution that human civilization is putting into the atmosphere every day."



ptif219 said:
We always hear about The IPCC and others in the media but deniers are never seen on the liberal media.
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If that were true, one good reason would be that it's because deniers are anti-science crackpots and stooges for the fossil fuel industry. Unfortunately the media all too often gives denier cult nutjobs with no scientific evidence to back them up equal time with the real climate scientists who actually know what they're talking about.




ptif219 said:
Thats funny. But they seldom report the corruption or the lies or deceptions. The media only reports what they want you to hear and then repeat it over and over
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The lies, deceptions and corruption are all on the denier's side, part and parcel of your whole anti-science, deny-reality craziness.
 
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Deuce said:
That's not what I was talking about at all, sorry.

I'm talking about people's ability to critically assess information for themselves. You shouldn't have to listen to bloggers or radio talk show hosts. You should have been taught the skills necessary to track down the information yourself and come to your own conclusion, but too many people have not been taught that skill. High school students aren't learning enough about how the scientific process works, or how to properly look up this information, or anything at all about statistics. These are core skills to a proper scientific assessment of any scientific subject, not just global warming.

Our country's education system is not providing these skills. It's a problem.
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The information is on Blogs. You just use that as an excuse to not look at the truth on Blogs.
 
livefree said:
That's because Hansen is one of the top climate scientists who accurately conveys the factual information about the current state of knowledge in that field and Vice President Gore is someone working to alert the public about the scientific facts. The media should be giving them even more coverage.




It is only very deluded and brainwashed denier cultists who, for political reasons, imagine that "An Inconvenient Truth" is not factual and accurate. That is one of the many crackpot myths of the cult. Many of the world's foremost climate scientists have affirmed the validity of the facts presented in that movie.

Does Al Gore get the science right in the movie An Inconvenient Truth?
The National Snow and Ice Data Center
07 July 2006
(excerpts)

We know that a lot of people wonder if the science presented in An Inconvenient Truth is correct. NSIDC scientists Dr. Walt Meier and Dr. Ted Scambos answered some Frequently Asked Questions about the snow and ice science presented in the movie.

As a scientist who studies the climate, what do you think of the movie?

TED: I think An Inconvenient Truth does an excellent job of outlining the science behind global warming and the challenges society faces in the coming century because of it.

WALT: I agree. I think Gore has the basic message right. But we thought we could clarify a few things about the information concerning snow, ice, and the poles.


Scientists OK Gore's Movie for Accuracy

By SETH BORENSTEIN
The Associated Press
June 27, 2006
(excerpts)

WASHINGTON -- The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.

The former vice president's movie _ replete with the prospect of a flooded New York City, an inundated Florida, more and nastier hurricanes, worsening droughts, retreating glaciers and disappearing ice sheets _ mostly got the science right, said all 19 climate scientists who had seen the movie or read the book and answered questions from The Associated Press.

But those who have seen it had the same general impression: Gore conveyed the science correctly; the world is getting hotter and it is a manmade catastrophe-in-the-making caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

"Excellent," said William Schlesinger, dean of the Nicholas School of Environment and Earth Sciences at Duke University. "He got all the important material and got it right."

Robert Corell, chairman of the worldwide Arctic Climate Impact Assessment group of scientists, read the book and saw Gore give the slideshow presentation that is woven throughout the documentary.

"I sat there and I'm amazed at how thorough and accurate," Corell said. "After the presentation I said, `Al, I'm absolutely blown away. There's a lot of details you could get wrong.' ... I could find no error."

Gore, in an interview with the AP, said he wasn't surprised "because I took a lot of care to try to make sure the science was right."

While some nonscientists could be depressed by the dire disaster-laden warmer world scenario that Gore laid out, one top researcher thought it was too optimistic. Tom Wigley, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, thought the former vice president sugarcoated the problem by saying that with already-available technologies and changes in habit _ such as changing light bulbs _ the world could help slow or stop global warming.

"They are quite literally afraid to know the truth," Gore said. "Because if you accept the truth of what the scientific community is saying, it gives you a moral imperative to start to rein in the 70 million tons of global warming pollution that human civilization is putting into the atmosphere every day."




If that were true, one good reason would be that it's because deniers are anti-science crackpots and stooges for the fossil fuel industry. Unfortunately the media all too often gives denier cult nutjobs with no scientific evidence to back them up equal time with the real climate scientists who actually know what they're talking about.






The lies, deceptions and corruption are all on the denier's side, part and parcel of your whole anti-science, deny-reality craziness.
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When you get true facts instead of propaganda let me know

35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore
 
ptif219 said:
The information is on Blogs. You just use that as an excuse to not look at the truth on Blogs.
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There's a reason your "information" is on blogs, and not mainstream publications. It's ill-informed opinion, speculation, and fabrication, not science.
 
Manc Skipper said:
There's a reason your "information" is on blogs, and not mainstream publications. It's ill-informed opinion, speculation, and fabrication, not science.
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No it is because the liberal bias media only will show what meets their agenda. Like the IPCC they will not accept anything that contradicts GW
 
Manc Skipper said:
Monckton is a charlatan. He sells stories to the credulous.
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Nice. You show no proof he is wrong. Seems you showed why GW propagandists have no credibility instead of proving their point they do character assassination
 
ptif219 said:
No it is because the liberal bias media only will show what meets their agenda. Like the IPCC they will not accept anything that contradicts GW
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It's not bias to dismiss Lord Monckton, his lies are proven.
 
Deuce said:
It's not bias to dismiss Lord Monckton, his lies are proven.
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You proved nothing in this article. You mean like the lies to justify the e-mails in what you claim debunks the proven corruption of the GW researchers
 
He tells lies to the credulous, who suck them up and repeat them as "Truth"
 
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ptif219 said:
Just listen to the political motivated, lying, deceiving scientists
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See what I mean? You automatically dismiss everything that goes against your views, which is exactly what you are accusing us of.
These videos give their sources, you can check them yourself.
 
sookster said:
*Face Palm* Let me ask some questions about you for a second, cause I wanna know.

What is the highest education that you completed?
How old are you?
Are you a Christian?
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Learn how to use "reply with quote" so people will know who you are addressing....
And please tell us the same about yourself...
your age, your education, your religion.....
 
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