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Texas kicks creationism to the curb.

I don't give a **** what you think, the entire Western World hates Texas.
Yes I know. And God hates gays and all English hate the French and all southerners are racist and………oh hell might as well get a lobotomy too!:cuckoo:
 
Texas public schools has one of the poorest educations standards in the US. This isn't because of creationism, because creationism was never taught in the first place. Its kind of hard to kick somehting to the curb that you never had. Make no mistake though, Texas needs LOTS of improvement and quite frankly, this won't do an ounce of good. Note: I'm talking about the WHOLE plan in general, not "kicking creationism."

However, that being said, I must say I am pleased with the decision. When I first saw the thread title, I figured Texas did something gay and just ban creationism completely. It's nice to see it was only in public schools and only on a state level as well, keeping the parents in control. This is something that SOME liberals here have no desire of understanding.

Funny. I thought Texas ranked about in the middle.
 
Funny. I thought Texas ranked about in the middle.
We rank #48 out of 50 in terms of public education.

Public education in Texas is a problem itself. Unfortunately, many of the people accross my isle only offer more stupid spending and religion stamping, while the republicans in the state congress refuse to do anything at all.

Washington has already fallen, if the leadership in Texas don't get smart, they are going to kill education. :(
 
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NOTE: This post is also to the snob, New Coup, who thinks Texas is some backwater podunk state, where citizens dance around fires with pitchforks, while scientists are burned at the stake.

It's not!?
 
Aren't we the only state that ever actually did?
I think the only descriptor that one can honestly and accurately apply to Texas (as in "Texas is....") is "diverse".
Texas is diverse.
It's a really big state.
It's more like four or five different states put together.
Land mass-wise, one could fit all of new England inside its borders.
On the globe, at least, it looks bigger than the UK.
It's a state of extremes.
You have your extreme liberals over here, your extreme conservatives over there. You've got the desert over here, mountains over there, the gulf coast down there, swamps over this way, grassland plains in the middle, pine forests up here, and in between all this you've got three of the top ten biggest cities in the US, and seven of the top twenty biggest cities.

Texas is... what?
Texas is an enigma.
I think Texas is actually quit a moderate state. I've hardly met any extreme conservatives(although, my definition and your definition of "extreme" may differ...). As for extreme-liberals, you don't see that much outside of Austin. the southern border of Texas usually leans democrat simply for tradition. Kind of like the infamous "My father did it so I'll do it too" attitude in West Virginia.
 
Think about the title of this thread....

Only a TRUE Texan would give Texas credit for Darwin's work. :2razz:
 
texas is fun! Texas is Great! Texas is the best state ever! YAY TEXAS!
 
If I were a teacher in texas I would like to show to my christian students that the idea of intelegent design is not incompatable with evolution or science.

This is not to teach biblical creationism as a specific theory.
Merely to show them that no matter what you believe religiously, evolution clearly occurs, and that any perspective that can not include this clearly observable fact (skeletal changes in fossil record over time, for e.g.) is entrely unreasonable.

And I would like to state that I am not a believer in biblical creationism, or of intelegent design more generally. I just believe that altho intelegent design of SOME FORM is possible, literal interpretations of biblical creationism do not fit within the concrete data set we have (for example fossil record proving evolution over a longer time period than the bible says the earth existed).

They should show:
- that intelegent design and creationism are NOT the same thing.
- that there is firm evidence for the theory of evolution
- there is no firm evidence for the theory of intelegent design, but that in some form it could be possible
- that fundamentalist christian creationism as a theory does not fit within the facts of our data set.

I believe this to be a worthwhile excercise in critical thinking, without claiming knowlege beyond our data set.
 
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Texas is the American Saudi Arabia: a wasteland full of gun-toting religious fanatics that are only relevant because of oil.


You enjoy embarassing yourself? Don't let me get in the way. :rofl
 
I think Texas is actually quit a moderate state. I've hardly met any extreme conservatives(although, my definition and your definition of "extreme" may differ...). As for extreme-liberals, you don't see that much outside of Austin. the southern border of Texas usually leans democrat simply for tradition. Kind of like the infamous "My father did it so I'll do it too" attitude in West Virginia.

As a Louisianian who moved to Texas 19 years ago, and someone who works alongside people from all over the country, I'd have to say that Texas ranks pretty high in terms of extreme conservatism. Let's just say that I hope never to visit a state which is more conservative. That would be truly frightening (although I hear Utah can get 'out there' a bit).
 
Texas is the greatest state in the union for one and only one reason: Texas is the only state that can legally secede from the Union at any time.

Well, that's the word on the streets but it ain't actually true. There is no such provision is in the Texas or the US Constitution. However, it is a "free and independant state" subject only to the Constitution of the US. (Nothing else. Not congress, not Washington, not the President, JUST the constitution.)

That being said, Texas can secede IF they wanted to because "all political power is inherent in the people......they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

So, if the people in Texas voted to secede, they could.

Texas Secession Facts - Texas Secede - TexasSecede.com

But they won't.

And even if they did, the US would be dropping bombs on Dallas and Houston quicker than a cat can lick it's butt. Can you imagine if Texas withdrew, what with all their refineries, oil, ports, etc? I doubt the US would allow that. The US would implode without Texas.

Some less educated folks regard Texas as a bunch of tumbleweed towns with cowboys totin' six-guns and spittin' chewin' tobaccy. :rofl The more educated people know that Texas is a supreme cultural center with some of the best symphonies, ballet, universities, hospitals on the planet. I cringe when I see New Coup make a fool of himself, as he has been doing, on this thread. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Maybe I'm just too compassionate. I just hate to see fellow posters make such fools of themselves. But what can I do about it? It's a free country. One can be as stupid as they choose to be I suppose. :roll:

PS..... Texas has the best lookin' women on the planet. In fact, I'd venture to say that Texas has probably had more Miss America winners than any other state in the union.
 
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As a Louisianian who moved to Texas 19 years ago, and someone who works alongside people from all over the country, I'd have to say that Texas ranks pretty high in terms of extreme conservatism. Let's just say that I hope never to visit a state which is more conservative. That would be truly frightening (although I hear Utah can get 'out there' a bit).
Define your conservatism.:2wave:
 
Well, that's the word on the streets but it ain't actually true. There is no such provision is in the Texas or the US Constitution. However, it is a "free and independant state" subject only to the Constitution of the US. (Nothing else. Not congress, not Washington, not the President, JUST the constitution.)

That being said, Texas can secede IF they wanted to because "all political power is inherent in the people......they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

So, if the people in Texas voted to secede, they could.

Texas Secession Facts - Texas Secede - TexasSecede.com

But they won't.

And even if they did, the US would be dropping bombs on Dallas and Houston quicker than a cat can lick it's butt. Can you imagine if Texas withdrew, what with all their refineries, oil, ports, etc? I doubt the US would allow that. The US would implode without Texas.

Some less educated folks regard Texas as a bunch of tumbleweed towns with cowboys totin' six-guns and spittin' chewin' tobaccy. :rofl The more educated people know that Texas is a supreme cultural center with some of the best symphonies, ballet, universities, hospitals on the planet. I cringe when I see New Coup make a fool of himself, as he has been doing, on this thread. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Maybe I'm just too compassionate. I just hate to see fellow posters make such fools of themselves. But what can I do about it? It's a free country. One can be as stupid as they choose to be I suppose. :roll:

PS..... Texas has the best lookin' women on the planet. In fact, I'd venture to say that Texas has probably had more Miss America winners than any other state in the union.
lol, I know I know. I just like the fact that, according to your source at least, it is an option. I'm a big, you know, "let the states take care of things; the federal government should only intervene in crises". (I don't want to say state's rights because, everyone keeps pulling out "slavery", which in itself, is a crises.)
 
Houston County boy here DarkWizard. We be like neighbors! :2wave:
 
Well, that's the word on the streets but it ain't actually true. There is no such provision is in the Texas or the US Constitution. However, it is a "free and independant state" subject only to the Constitution of the US. (Nothing else. Not congress, not Washington, not the President, JUST the constitution.)

That being said, Texas can secede IF they wanted to because "all political power is inherent in the people......they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

So, if the people in Texas voted to secede, they could.

Texas Secession Facts - Texas Secede - TexasSecede.com

But they won't.

And even if they did, the US would be dropping bombs on Dallas and Houston quicker than a cat can lick it's butt. Can you imagine if Texas withdrew, what with all their refineries, oil, ports, etc? I doubt the US would allow that. The US would implode without Texas.

Some less educated folks regard Texas as a bunch of tumbleweed towns with cowboys totin' six-guns and spittin' chewin' tobaccy. :rofl The more educated people know that Texas is a supreme cultural center with some of the best symphonies, ballet, universities, hospitals on the planet. I cringe when I see New Coup make a fool of himself, as he has been doing, on this thread. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Maybe I'm just too compassionate. I just hate to see fellow posters make such fools of themselves. But what can I do about it? It's a free country. One can be as stupid as they choose to be I suppose. :roll:

PS..... Texas has the best lookin' women on the planet. In fact, I'd venture to say that Texas has probably had more Miss America winners than any other state in the union.

Yup on the culture aspect, and there is a HUGE variety. You can watch the rodeo at Reliant Stadium, then go downtown, and watch the world class Houston Symphony, both in the same day. And Texas has a world class art museum, natural science museum, planetarium, library system, and don't forget that ZZ Top is from Houston too. :mrgreen:
 
The professional Creationists have got to love this ruling. First of all, they all know that YEC is literal bull**** that rejects some of the most basic laws of physics that people can test in their own houses, backyards and sinks. Actually placing YEC in a science based context would reveal just how flawed that theory is from fluid mechanics, to heat transfer, to the speed of light, radioactivity, the list goes on and on and on.

As most YECs are too stupid or ignorant to know just how screwed up their belief system, further removing any possibility of scientific analysis of it in school allows the professionals to suck even more money from these fools. By pandering to "it's all an atheist conspiracy" nonsense, they can further enrich their bank accounts. Now's a good time with Democrats in office to become a professional creationist and take YECs for a ride. I smell double digit returns.
 
Define your conservatism.:2wave:

Many areas:

Class divisions: Texans have a much greater feeling of 'if you're wealthy, then you're better than those who aren't'

Religion: Baptist churches and even more fundamentalist offshoots of same are the most common, by far. It's very common to find anger and condemnation towards those who don't follow the doctrines of the fundamentalists. All non-'Christians' are treated with utter contempt.

Social safety nets: There are few by comparison to other states. If you're destitute, homeless, starving... tough. You get to die. There are safety nets in government, but there are huge movements by the people to do away with them completely.

Racism: Huge divisions between races by comparison to other states. There are some rural towns that only took down governmentally sponsored anti-racial signs about 20 years ago. That's still a generation but it's kind of amazing. People talk openly against black people, even today.

Politics: If you're going to vote Democrat, don't advertise it. In the 2004 election, there was a great deal of vandalism of cars and houses that had Kerry stickers or signs. Texas is the reddest of red states.

Family: It's very common to see situations where the man is the absolute lord and master of his house. The wife does as she is told, period! The husband tells her who she can have as friends, when she can leave the house, whether or not she can use the phone or the Internet, etc.


These are just a few of the conservative values I see regularly in Texas. There are, of course, a few more liberal areas, such as Austin and Denton. But, for the most part, these are the values that people follow if they want to be considered good Republicans and good 'Christians' by their peers. Anyone who doesn't want to follow those values is beneath their contempt, and these people are in the vast majority.
 
I'm curious as to when the last time was that any of you were in a science classroom in Texas.

You know, during my entire time in grade school, junior high, and high school I never once had a creationism class or even an official discussion about creationism. My mother is an assistant principal in the HISD/Pasedena area and she's never seen or heard of any creationism classes taught.

Where exactly are they teaching this stuff in Texas? Not the big cities like Houston and not the middle sized cities like Corpus Christi/Padre Island either. Maybe in some of the backwoods tiny city schools?

Of course the Big Bang and Evolution was taught as a THEORY with explanations into the strengths and faults as a theory including other less popular theories.
 
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