Rotc - Page 3

WI Crippler · 10-10-08, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz

Well... because if you did have better options available and you didn't take them then you wouldn't be rational and I wouldn't want to be rude and call someone irrational.

I guess if you did it out of some sense of duty that's nice, but I don't know anyone like that so its hard for me to imagine that people like that exist.

Well I had other "safer" opportunites. I was in my second year of college, my step father offered me a job working in the family business, which is quite lucrative. I joined the Marines because I knew that I needed to develop self discipline(plus all the ladies love the dress blues). So I guess, in that aspect you are right. There was no better option available to me. You don't have to be sorry about it though.

Kayleigh Katz · 10-10-08, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

I joined the Marines because I knew that I needed to develop self discipline(plus all the ladies love the dress blues). So I guess, in that aspect you are right. There was no better option available to me. You don't have to be sorry about it though.

I dunno... Uniforms don't do much for me, but a guy in a Kiton or William Fioravanti suit... mmmm, we probably shouldn't go there.

The thing I'm sorry about is that there aren't better opportunities available to a lot of people, especially lower income people. You shouldn't have to risk your life to get a good education, it should be free. But now I'm starting to get onto another subject so I'll just leave it there.

WI Crippler · 10-10-08, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz

I dunno... Uniforms don't do much for me, but a guy in a Kiton or William Fioravanti suit... mmmm, we probably shouldn't go there.

The thing I'm sorry about is that there aren't better opportunities available to a lot of people, especially lower income people. You shouldn't have to risk your life to get a good education, it should be free. But now I'm starting to get onto another subject so I'll just leave it there.

Well people shouldn't be guarenteed college educations, in much the same manner they shouldn't be guarenteed home ownership. We can't continue on this notion that everybody deserves something. Good people will find a way to earn the things they are capable of earning and bad people will continue to find ways to keep begging for stuff.

Kayleigh Katz · 10-10-08, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Well people shouldn't be guarenteed college educations, in much the same manner they shouldn't be guarenteed home ownership. We can't continue on this notion that everybody deserves something. Good people will find a way to earn the things they are capable of earning and bad people will continue to find ways to keep begging for stuff.

Isn't money for college just another form of payment for the work? It doesn't sound like a handout if you have to risk your life to get it.

WI Crippler · 10-10-08, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kayleigh Katz

Isn't money for college just another form of payment for the work? It doesn't sound like a handout if you have to risk your life to get it.

I wasn't equating getting money for school from the military as a handout. I'm talking about all the other people that believe they are entitled to a college education, just because.

Kayleigh Katz · 10-10-08, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

I wasn't equating getting money for school from the military as a handout. I'm talking about all the other people that believe they are entitled to a college education, just because.

Oh...

I don't see giving a free education as a handout, I see it as an investment. A lot of people never reach there full potential because they don't have access to a decent education. The person that could solve all of our {insert pet problem here} problems might be out there right now working as a janitor because of a lack of educational opportunities.

I also don't think people should be forced to attend school once they reach a certain proficiency in basic reading/writing and math skills.

I have a whole school rant, but I'll save it for another time.

RightOfCenter · 10-10-08, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

Not according to my wife. She went into the Navy and then went to school and did ROTC. She assures me that ROTC is almost entirely silliness. She says bull**** not silliness.

Yup, it pretty much is when compared to the real military. But it does contain valuable training that is needed to be an officer in the military.

RightOfCenter · 10-10-08, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways

Agreed. The ROTC kids in my school seem to spend most of their time learning how to march, as well as military procedure, rather than combat training and weapons knowledge. They're all fairly vacant or out-of-shape looking, and other than a girl I know from my sister's karate studio, I could almost certainly destroy them in a fight. The girl is, however, about 4'8 and has an eye condition, so despite her black belt I'm not sure how she'd fare.

That's because the only time you actually see them is when they are out marching. I assure you we do train and familiarize ourselves with contemporary weapons from the M9 to the M249 SAW, as well as learning how to receive and give operation orders, battle drills, and troop leading procedures.

Ethereal · 10-10-08, 09:07 PM

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Well... because if you did have better options available and you didn't take them then you wouldn't be rational and I wouldn't want to be rude and call someone irrational.

I guess if you did it out of some sense of duty that's nice, but I don't know anyone like that so its hard for me to imagine that people like that exist.

So, how tall is your ivory tower?

1069 · 10-10-08, 10:28 PM

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The thing I'm sorry about is that there aren't better opportunities available to a lot of people, especially lower income people. You shouldn't have to risk your life to get a good education, it should be free .....
I don't see giving a free education as a handout, I see it as an investment. A lot of people never reach there full potential because they don't have access to a decent education. The person that could solve all of our {insert pet problem here} problems might be out there right now working as a janitor because of a lack of educational opportunities.

I also don't think people should be forced to attend school once they reach a certain proficiency in basic reading/writing and math skills.

Hear, hear (to all of that).