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Old 05-25-08, 04:42 PM   #31 (permalink)
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As for the food and shelter argument, do you think that we should have free housing for everyone who wants it? Why not? It's obviously expensive to provide, so why not provide free housing for everyone who wants it, and food as well?
Education leads to numerous social benefits, not least higher economic growth. It is therefore just factual to remark that the private sector will lead to underinvestment. Public education is therefore vital, particularly in terms of minimising inequality of opportunity. It ensures the possibility of achieving optimal investment

Shelter, on the other hand, is a basic right. Thus, the provision of social housing where necessary.
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Please cite any historical evidence that in the United States or England that the "lack of education" was known before compulsory education.

The proponents of public education in the 17th and 18th century would have been laughed at for thinking that academics was a government matter and that education to the level that people needed and wanted it was unavailable to any but a very very few.
In Europe, England, and even the USA, it was known that if you educated the masses, they would become hard to control. It was only when there seemed to be a need, or an advantage, to educate children that public, free, and compulsory education came about. So what happened? The masses were taught only the minimum, just enough to make them trainable.

You cannot train someone in even a slightly technical job unless they have a basic education to start with. Back when jobs were mindless labor, an education was not needed for the masses, and in no way was the govt. of the USA going to waste money on such a thing. It was local communities who WANTED their children to be educated who hired school teachers.

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that a nation of undeducated drones will never prosper. We have nations like that now, and they will likely never get past 3rd world status as long as their educated leaders keep them ignorant. It only takes one smart peasant to realize that someone needs to step up an kill the oppressive leader....
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Shelter, on the other hand, is a basic right. Thus, the provision of social housing where necessary.

Shelter is a basic right? Perhaps you mean in Utopia.
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Shelter is a basic right? Perhaps you mean in Utopia.
You right wingers can't half come across as backward thinking.

You'll struggle to find a Western nation that does not provide social housing. Of course the important aspect here is that Ken made a very basic error: the private sector will always lead to underinvestment in education.
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You'll struggle to find a Western nation that does not provide social housing.
You said it was a right. Demonstrate the "right" to this in the United States system.
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You said it was a right. Demonstrate the "right" to this in the United States system.
The market failures associated with education and housing are quite distinct. Education leads to underinvestment. In comparison, we're probably going to have over-investment in housing (given pwner occupation reduces labour mobility and therefore can reduce the efficiency of the labour market).

Shelter is a basic right though. It amuses me that you think differently, but thats for a different thread. Try sticking to the thread's topic. You might find it useful
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Shelter is a basic right though.
Demonstrate where this "right" is located in American law.
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I thought "No Child left a dime" was going to be the solution to all of the education problems.
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I thought "No Child left a dime" was going to be the solution to all of the education problems.
Bush addressed the problem in the same way Bill Clinton fixed the race relations problems in America. Both are masters of the by now traditional American approach of being seen to do something while actually doing nothing at all.
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We would probably not agree on what performing well means.
Well I would define it as high graduation rates, and a high percentage of graduates going on to college.
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