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Wisconsin legislation: Teacher wanted-no degree needed

As opposed to a class you doze through in undergrad? I think you could see people who are motivated and mature learners take more away from a seminar.

This shows you don't know the complex nature of teaching struggling learners. It is an on going process because there is so much information to learn and understand. Much like any profession.
 
This shows you don't know the complex nature of teaching struggling learners. It is a on going process because there is so much information to learn and understand. Much like any profession.

I don't disagree that severe disabilities can be difficult. I simply think that you are assuming that current, credentialed teachers have the capability you are looking for.
 
Teachers are NOT glorified daycare workers. When you have a room of 30 kids and say 7 are struggling readers and 5 have some form of dyspraxia and several have a variety of other issues. You may also have a few students with ADD, one with the additional label of ODD and possible CD. You also have two students with emotional issues, one with PTSD. You also have a variety of students with some form of dyscalculia and dyslexia. They struggle with not just reading but writing and mathematical skills. Now, you are responsible for assessing everyone of those students in all core subject matter, and be responsible for every student to make x amount of progress which can only be x amount away from the common core standards or 1. You get a needs improvement and can possibly lose your job or don't move up the pay scale depending on your school district rules. Please explain how you can compare that to homeschooling or daycare work?

Actually, yes, they are. Might suck to hear it, but its the truth. Believe it or not there are day care centers that deal with the same exact things that teachers deal with. Only the day care centers don't get 3 months out of the year off. Or did you not know that many daycare centers now a days also offer rudimentary reading and math? Here is one such example ~ Mary's Day Care Center

Located in Reading, Pennsylvania, Mary's Day Care Center offers a nurturing environment for children eight weeks up to twelve years old. It provides infant and toddler care that encourage development. Additionally, it offers a preschool curriculum that involves kindergarten readiness. The Center accommodates children at a maximum capacity of forty-five.
 
I don't disagree that severe disabilities can be difficult. I simply think that you are assuming that current, credentialed teachers have the capability you are looking for.

Many do. Every teacher I work with has a Master's with advanced studies in reading, writing, mathematics and how to help struggling learners is a top priority when studying for advanced credentials/certifications. They also become master teachers to help new teachers while they advance in their studies. Every teacher in this state is expected to continue to train and earn PDPS in order to earn recertification every 5 years.
 
If you can't fill positions due to low pay, lowering standards will most definitely fill positions, most likely with undesirable consequences.

Then privatize the schools and make it illegal for parents to dodge. They can choose the schools they want and apply for scholarships, if the kids produce the notes.
 
Actually, yes, they are. Might suck to hear it, but its the truth. Believe it or not there are day care centers that deal with the same exact things that teachers deal with. Only the day care centers don't get 3 months out of the year off. Or did you not know that many daycare centers now a days also offer rudimentary reading and math? Here is one such example ~ Mary's Day Care Center

Do they lose their job if all 45 do not reach the common core standards via test results? Please let me know the accountability.
 

Many do not, and the idea that a bachelors in education is the Great Dividing Line between those who do and those who don't is laughable.

Every teacher I work with has a Master's with advanced studies in reading, writing, mathematics and how to help struggling learners is a top priority when studying for advanced credentials/certifications.

:shrug: then they can go get that credential, or not, if they want to, or don't. I have two Masters degrees, and have looked through several Education programs (and am now in one). I'm not terribly impressed with credentialism in general, and this one in particular.

They also become master teachers to help new teachers while they advance in their studies.

Goodness. New teachers require mentorship from master teachers in order to improve their teaching?

Why do we hire such incapable people? How can we hire them unless they already have the credentials that they (may) get years later in their career? Don't You Care About The Children!?!?!?!.

:roll:

Every teacher in this state is expected to continue to train and earn PDPS in order to earn recertification every 5 years.

Okedoke.
 
Then privatize the schools and make it illegal for parents to dodge. They can choose the schools they want and apply for scholarships, if the kids produce the notes.

Privatizing public schools does not raise accountability for all students.
 
Do they lose their job if all 45 do not reach the common core standards via test results? Please let me know the accountability.

If they don't meet the parents standards they can certainly lose customers. So essentially the same thing since without customers they are out of a job. :shrug:

But seriously, lets not try and nitpick here. There are differences between the two. That's obvious. But those differences are minor compared to the over all work that they both do. Which is teach children.
 
Many do not, and the idea that a bachelors in education is the Great Dividing Line between those who do and those who don't is laughable.



:shrug: then they can go get that credential, or not, if they want to, or don't. I have two Masters degrees, and have looked through several Education programs (and am now in one). I'm not terribly impressed with credentialism in general, and this one in particular.



Goodness. New teachers require mentorship from master teachers in order to improve their teaching?

Why do we hire such incapable people? How can we hire them unless they already have the credentials that they (may) get years later in their career? Don't You Care About The Children!?!?!?!.

:roll:



Okedoke.

Part of the reason this state does so well both nationally and internationally is due to rigorous teaching standards that last throughout a teachers career. It is not through osmosis.
 
I don't disagree that severe disabilities can be difficult. I simply think that you are assuming that current, credentialed teachers have the capability you are looking for.

At least not when they get out of the gate, no. Furthermore, during regular, non-advanced degree continuing education sessions, because of the multitude of options (and also requirements) available to them, I would very much hesitate to suggest that differentiated instruction, PBIS, and so forth are looked at by many general education teachers. Part of it is still the very real intellectual silos that are set up. There's still this thought that "this" is for special educators, "this" is for general education teachers.

During preparation, I had to work my tail off to try my hand at differentiation. It was an elective course for my sped minor, and once I got in there, it was marvelous...if you were an elementary education teacher. I had to take the abstractions, the completely different atmosphere of a secondary education classroom, and fight the limitations of my own disability (I am verbally inclined, visually and kinesthetically incapable) in order to pull much out of it. I immediately knew I would require a mentor to do this with great success in the field, because I had aspirations to pull higher education ideas about social sciences into my classroom at the same time as trying to cater to the other ability levels and learning styles.

Pedagogy is nowhere near easy, differentiated instruction is more difficult than most efforts, but I knew I was in a much steeper learning curve than my peers. Then, afterwards, I remembered that most candidates and most teachers do not have exposure to that content in the first place.
 
If they don't meet the parents standards they can certainly lose customers. So essentially the same thing since without customers they are out of a job. :shrug:

But seriously, lets not try and nitpick here. There are differences between the two. That's obvious. But those differences are minor compared to the over all work that they both do. Which is teach children.

Large differences BTW. When you talk about consumers, you talk about vested people which is NOT what you will always get in a public classroom. That is a huge difference.
 
Wow. But this doesn't surprise me. When communities choose to treat teachers like crap, they flee in droves. As a related example, Wisconsin's state government recently cut a quarter of a billion dollars from its higher education fund and sent it to a new basketball arena in downtown Milwaukee.

Oh, that wen through? Hilarious as was Scott Walker's presidential bid.
 
Oh, that wen through? Hilarious as was Scott Walker's presidential bid.

Yup. Because Wisconsin needs an NBA team more than it needs higher education, apparently.
 
Before anyone goes into full on freak out mode, you might look at what is actually being proposed and why it is deemed necessary.
 
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