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Self Defense In School?

The Hate in you is so strong that you can't even make a post about a kid in school without insulting liberals... pathetic.

That's why I come to these forums. I can hate on those losers as much as I need to vent. That way, I don't discuss politics with friends :)
 
Reading, writing, arithmetic. Thats all public schools should be teaching.


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I'm 50/50. If you teach them they'll figure out a way to use it to extract easy lunch money from some wimpy liberal, but it may come in handy none the less.

Redistribution of wealth. LOL.


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Fine with me...especially for girls.
 
A. I keep remembering gym class where bullies had a field day picking on people while the "coach" ignored them.
B. I was asked by a reporter once for my opinion on teaching sex education in grammar school. "Great idea. If they teach it like they do reading, by the time kids reach puberty they won't want to do it."
C. I support bullying in schools. That gives you a chance to learn about bullying before you get out in the world and have to deal with it for the rest of your life. Consider the two bullies running for President right now.
 
I dont know. I think a bullet beats the brain every time.


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Some people feel that way. Fortunately, I have a brain and never had to shoot a single one of the numbnuts with a gun.
 
So I am wondering about this: how would you feel about having self defense classes taught as an elective in school? Or maybe even as part of a sanctioned extra curricular? My thinking is this: something wholistic. Something aimed at kids. We aren't talking firearms training. We are talking about teaching kids to use the most effective weapon: the mind.

The idea would be to teach kids how to properly avoid conflict, how to resolve it, and so on. Potentially even teaching certain kids martial arts: Things like Tai Chi or Aikido. Just wondering how some educators or parents would feel about their kids having the ability to learn how to act/react in difficult confrontational situations.

My son's elementary school recently did something just like this and it was great. Good for him to learn how to avoid and manage difficult situations, and good for kids to spend time together doing something beyond 'classroom' instruction.
 
A. I keep remembering gym class where bullies had a field day picking on people while the "coach" ignored them.
B. I was asked by a reporter once for my opinion on teaching sex education in grammar school. "Great idea. If they teach it like they do reading, by the time kids reach puberty they won't want to do it."
C. I support bullying in schools. That gives you a chance to learn about bullying before you get out in the world and have to deal with it for the rest of your life. Consider the two bullies running for President right now.

Kids without supervision shouldn't be bullying.
In the adult world, aside from some mild hazing I've never seen adults really bully anyone, like the kids did in school.
Schools don't have the resources to really monitor the students to make sure bullying doesn't get too out of control.
 
So I am wondering about this: how would you feel about having self defense classes taught as an elective in school? Or maybe even as part of a sanctioned extra curricular? My thinking is this: something wholistic. Something aimed at kids. We aren't talking firearms training. We are talking about teaching kids to use the most effective weapon: the mind.

The idea would be to teach kids how to properly avoid conflict, how to resolve it, and so on. Potentially even teaching certain kids martial arts: Things like Tai Chi or Aikido. Just wondering how some educators or parents would feel about their kids having the ability to learn how to act/react in difficult confrontational situations.



I doubt you'd ever get a school to approve a truly realistic self-defense curriculum, aimed at teaching kids to defend against larger, stronger, tougher adversaries and survive.

Too much for the liberal weenie school system to deal with.


 
Kids without supervision shouldn't be bullying.
In the adult world, aside from some mild hazing I've never seen adults really bully anyone, like the kids did in school.
Schools don't have the resources to really monitor the students to make sure bullying doesn't get too out of control.

In my world I saw bullying my whole life and I'm forever glad I learned to deal with it in high school. When I did my mandatory time in the military I saw bullying. When I got a job as a police officer I saw bullying. Lawyers and politicians were some of the worst bullies and you had to have at least three of each to get a single pair of balls out of the bunch. Kind of reminds me of Trump with a gang of lawyers to do his bullying for him.
 
In my world I saw bullying my whole life and I'm forever glad I learned to deal with it in high school. When I did my mandatory time in the military I saw bullying. When I got a job as a police officer I saw bullying. Lawyers and politicians were some of the worst bullies and you had to have at least three of each to get a single pair of balls out of the bunch. Kind of reminds me of Trump with a gang of lawyers to do his bullying for him.

When I had bullying issues, they always resorted to a fight.
Even though the other kids started it, I was punished for defending myself and the schools would often only intervene, after the fight had started.
To me, that's the worst type of system to teach kids.

In real life, if a bully assaults you, you can defend yourself and they often get charges.
 
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In the adult world, aside from some mild hazing I've never seen adults really bully anyone, like the kids did in school.
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Oh it goes on... adults are just typically a bit more subtle about it.
 
When I had bullying issues, they always resorted to a fight.
Even though the other kids started it, I was punished for defending myself and the schools would often only intervene, after the fight had started.
To me, that's the worst type of system to teach kids.

In real life, if a bully assaults you, you can defend yourself and they often get charges.


When Son#1 was in school, I told him to never be the first to touch or hit... but if anyone tried to grab or hit him, he was to do whatever he needed to do to protect himself, and if he was in the right I'd back him all the way and hire a lawyer if necessary.
 
Oh it goes on... adults are just typically a bit more subtle about it.

I learned the best way to disarm verbal bullying is to not get butt hurt about it.
Sometimes to admit to whatever joke is being done at your expense.

When Son#1 was in school, I told him to never be the first to touch or hit... but if anyone tried to grab or hit him, he was to do whatever he needed to do to protect himself, and if he was in the right I'd back him all the way and hire a lawyer if necessary.

Yea my parents said the same.
2 times I only defended myself and got suspended.

The third time I assaulted the kid, because the school blatantly showed he and his friends favoritism and I had enough.
I fought him, got in trouble, told him I was going to fight him again, got in trouble.
He knew I was serious and they left my friends and I alone.
 
When I had bullying issues, they always resorted to a fight.Even though the other kids started it, I was punished for defending myself and the schools would often only intervene, after the fight had started.
To me, that's the worst type of system to teach kids.

In real life, if a bully assaults you, you can defend yourself and they often get charges.

The last time I got bullied ended in a fight.

I was in 9th grade. There was a girl who liked me (and I didn't even know it), and there was a guy in 10th grade (We'll call him "G") who liked her, but knew she liked me instead. Now "G" hung out with a big burly friend (Let's call him "M") who was also in 10th grade. "M" was not very smart but he was a body builder and could bench 200 lbs easily.

"G" talked "M" into cornering me in the Boys Locker room after Phys. Ed., and "M' Kept trying to pick a fight. When I refused he hit me. I was 2 inches shorter, half his weight, a typical 9th Grade boy, but I started to fight back.

All the boys in class were gathered around and at first they were all supporting "M"; you know.... yelling the kind of suck-up comments kids do when the bigger guy is slamming a little one. I got a couple of good licks in, but he just knocked me down. Problem was, I wouldn't stay down. "M' must have knocked me down seven or eight times, but I just wouldn't give up. I'd get back up and charge right in. At some point the other kids got quiet, then they started telling me to stay down. Then, they started yelling at "M" to stop. Finally someone went to get the P.E. teacher. Meanwhile I still wouldn't give up.

I was still fighting back when the teacher got there. Yep, we both got in trouble even thought the witnesses all told the Principal I didn't start it. Like all Principals his position was "it takes two to fight," and I got a week suspension.

When I got back to school I found I had gained more respect from my peers and the older kids than I ever thought possible. "G" and "M," on the other hand were taken to task by the 12th grade guys, and no one ever screwed with me again, especially in my own grade. Now I didn't win...But I didn't lose!

It gave me the confidence to stand up for myself in every future encounter, and changed my life for the better.

I posted this story because I believe that the best way to deal with bullying is to face up to the bully. Even if you lose, as long as you don't give up he'll have learned that you will stand up to him, and it's more likely than not he won't mess with you again.
 
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The last time I got bullied ended in a fight.

I was in 9th grade. There was a girl who liked me (and I didn't even know it), and there was a guy in 10th grade (We'll call him "G") who liked her, but knew she liked me instead. Now "G" hung out with a big burly friend (Let's call him "M") who was also in 10th grade. "M" was not very smart but he was a body builder and could bench 200 lbs easily.

"G" talked "M" into cornering me in the Boys Locker room after Phys. Ed., and "M' Kept trying to pick a fight. When I refused he hit me. I was 2 inches shorter, half his weight, a typical 9th Grade boy, but I started to fight back.

All the boys in class were gathered around and at first they were all supporting "M"; you know.... yelling the kind of suck-up comments kids do when the bigger guy is slamming a little one. I got a couple of good licks in, but he just knocked me down. Problem was, I wouldn't stay down. "M' must have knocked me down seven or eight times, but I just wouldn't give up. I'd get back up and charge right in. At some point the other kids got quiet, then they started telling me to stay down. Then, they started yelling at "M" to stop. Finally someone went to get the P.E. teacher. Meanwhile I still wouldn't give up.

I was still fighting back when the teacher got there. Yep, we both got in trouble even thought the witnesses all told the Principal I didn't start it. Like all Principals his position was "it takes two to fight," and I got a week suspension.

When I got back to school I found I had gained more respect from my peers and the older kids than I ever thought possible. "G" and "M," on the other hand were taken to task but the 12th grade guys, and no one ever screwed with me again, especially in my own grade. Now I didn't win...But I didn't lose!

It gave me the confidence to stand up for myself in every future encounter, and changed my life for the better.

I posted this story because I believe that the best way to deal with bullying is to face up to the bully. Even if you lose, as, long as you don't give up he'll have learned that you will stand up to him, and it's more likely than not he won't mess with you again.

And that's true.
The primary thing I learned from school is that, it's like a prison where the guards only punish, rarely prevent and you have to have a "gang" to stay safe.
After the events I dealt with, I protected my smaller friends from the bullies, primarily because I got taller and was taller than most of them.
 
The last time I got bullied ended in a fight.

I was in 9th grade. There was a girl who liked me (and I didn't even know it), and there was a guy in 10th grade (We'll call him "G") who liked her, but knew she liked me instead. Now "G" hung out with a big burly friend (Let's call him "M") who was also in 10th grade. "M" was not very smart but he was a body builder and could bench 200 lbs easily.

"G" talked "M" into cornering me in the Boys Locker room after Phys. Ed., and "M' Kept trying to pick a fight. When I refused he hit me. I was 2 inches shorter, half his weight, a typical 9th Grade boy, but I started to fight back.

All the boys in class were gathered around and at first they were all supporting "M"; you know.... yelling the kind of suck-up comments kids do when the bigger guy is slamming a little one. I got a couple of good licks in, but he just knocked me down. Problem was, I wouldn't stay down. "M' must have knocked me down seven or eight times, but I just wouldn't give up. I'd get back up and charge right in. At some point the other kids got quiet, then they started telling me to stay down. Then, they started yelling at "M" to stop. Finally someone went to get the P.E. teacher. Meanwhile I still wouldn't give up.

I was still fighting back when the teacher got there. Yep, we both got in trouble even thought the witnesses all told the Principal I didn't start it. Like all Principals his position was "it takes two to fight," and I got a week suspension.

When I got back to school I found I had gained more respect from my peers and the older kids than I ever thought possible. "G" and "M," on the other hand were taken to task but the 12th grade guys, and no one ever screwed with me again, especially in my own grade. Now I didn't win...But I didn't lose!

It gave me the confidence to stand up for myself in every future encounter, and changed my life for the better.

I posted this story because I believe that the best way to deal with bullying is to face up to the bully. Even if you lose, as, long as you don't give up he'll have learned that you will stand up to him, and it's more likely than not he won't mess with you again.

Yeah. Last time I got bullied, I was in an advanced placement class in high school over the summer and there was this football player in summer school who liked to bully people. We were all on a break and the only thing to do was hang out in the weight room. He went around the room and just punched people. Then he tried it with me. I backed out of the room, then put his ass on the floor because I knew martial arts. Of course, just as he hit the floor, the assistant principal walked around the corner and we both ended up running laps for an hour. We talked. We got to be really good friends. You have to stand up for yourself, but sometimes getting bullied turns into something really good.
 
Oh it goes on... adults are just typically a bit more subtle about it.

Not subtle but slightly less physical. We had a guy where I worked who threw temper tantrums. He would scream at subordinates, throw things on his desk, stomp around. At the peak of a tantrum one day I asked if he suffered from PMS. He stormed out of the room.

Another time a man higher in the organization was regalling the senior staff with things I'd said, none of which were true. Just like in grammar school, there were always those who didn't want to play but were happy to push others to do it so half the people came and told me what was going on during a short break. When the meeting ended, with all of them heading to a local cafe for coffee together, I was waiting. As my protagonist came out I said, "That was all a pack of lies. I never said any of those things." He looked surprised and said, "Well, they were the kind of things you would say." I don't think he realized he'd just lost. He'd admitted he lied. "Well, you got me there," I said and he saw all his associates smiling and thought they were smiling for his comment.

No, bullies are always bullies. They grow up as bullies and their strategies become a little less physical but they're largely the same. And, victims grow up to be victims. Their strategies stay pretty much the same, too. I have a neighbor who is a bully. She was picking on another neighbor. The "victim" asked me what she should do and I said, "Smile nicely and say, Mary, kiss my ass." "Oh, I can't do that." "Then live with it." Some victims have to be victims as much as some bullies have to be bullies. In a way it's a symbiotic relationship and neither can change how they deal with each other.

When my son started high school he came to me in a panic. "Two of the seniors are going to beat me up. They're big, dad. Can you help me?"
"Maybe. Why do they want you to beat them up?"
"I said they were idiots, but dad, they are idiots."
"Oh, that makes what you did worse."
"Why?"
"If I said you're an idiot would you get mad?"
"No."
"Of course not because you're not an idiot. What if I said you were short?" His face got red.
"That's different."
"Bingo. When your insult is true it is different, isn't it?" He thought a bit and asked what he could do. "Catch the two guys when they're with as many of the same people as today as you can and apologize. Tell them you were wrong to say what you said and you apologize. Make it sincere and offer to shake hands."

My son came home saying, "It worked, dad, and they're not bad guys." Bottom line, if my son wasn't going to follow the victim script, the two would find someone else. But, victims almost have to follow their script.

Usually less physical but not always.
 
Bullies only learn from being smacked right back into their places.

You can argue the point with all the psychological babble you want....... but bullies don't like getting hit back.
 
The last time I got bullied ended in a fight.

I was in 9th grade. There was a girl who liked me (and I didn't even know it), and there was a guy in 10th grade (We'll call him "G") who liked her, but knew she liked me instead. Now "G" hung out with a big burly friend (Let's call him "M") who was also in 10th grade. "M" was not very smart but he was a body builder and could bench 200 lbs easily.

"G" talked "M" into cornering me in the Boys Locker room after Phys. Ed., and "M' Kept trying to pick a fight. When I refused he hit me. I was 2 inches shorter, half his weight, a typical 9th Grade boy, but I started to fight back.

All the boys in class were gathered around and at first they were all supporting "M"; you know.... yelling the kind of suck-up comments kids do when the bigger guy is slamming a little one. I got a couple of good licks in, but he just knocked me down. Problem was, I wouldn't stay down. "M' must have knocked me down seven or eight times, but I just wouldn't give up. I'd get back up and charge right in. At some point the other kids got quiet, then they started telling me to stay down. Then, they started yelling at "M" to stop. Finally someone went to get the P.E. teacher. Meanwhile I still wouldn't give up.

I was still fighting back when the teacher got there. Yep, we both got in trouble even thought the witnesses all told the Principal I didn't start it. Like all Principals his position was "it takes two to fight," and I got a week suspension.

When I got back to school I found I had gained more respect from my peers and the older kids than I ever thought possible. "G" and "M," on the other hand were taken to task by the 12th grade guys, and no one ever screwed with me again, especially in my own grade. Now I didn't win...But I didn't lose!

It gave me the confidence to stand up for myself in every future encounter, and changed my life for the better.

I posted this story because I believe that the best way to deal with bullying is to face up to the bully. Even if you lose, as long as you don't give up he'll have learned that you will stand up to him, and it's more likely than not he won't mess with you again.

Reminds me of the scene in Cool Hand Luke when he is boxing one of the prisoners. The meaning is exactly the same. You may not win, but people will know that you are not afraid to stand up to anyone who tries to knock you down. Kudos to you.
 
So I am wondering about this: how would you feel about having self defense classes taught as an elective in school? Or maybe even as part of a sanctioned extra curricular? My thinking is this: something wholistic. Something aimed at kids. We aren't talking firearms training. We are talking about teaching kids to use the most effective weapon: the mind.

The idea would be to teach kids how to properly avoid conflict, how to resolve it, and so on. Potentially even teaching certain kids martial arts: Things like Tai Chi or Aikido. Just wondering how some educators or parents would feel about their kids having the ability to learn how to act/react in difficult confrontational situations.

I'm for it. They used to have boxing.
 
I'm for it. They used to have boxing.

I don't think I would have done boxing. I found I didn't enjoy it that much. But it is what I started out doing and I think I would have appreciated it more had a learned it under a good coach.


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I'm for it. They used to have boxing.

Boxing is not really useful for self defense, very ineffective. The whole goal of self-defense is to minimize any injury to yourself while incapacitating or temporarily stopping whoever attacked you. It is also very ineffective against anyone who has any kind of weapon. You want to fight dirty. My self-defense instructor taught always go for the eyes or the crotch, those are places that will cause the most pain and most likely incapacitate them, especially if you go for the eyes. You do not want to have a punching match, you want to win quickly and decisively, you also have to have the strength to do it which someone like me does not have.
 
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