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US School Spending up 120%+ over 30 years, test scores remain flat

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Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?
At an increased education expense of around 120% (inflation adjusted) over 30 years...we have flat test scores to show for it, what's going on?

Education is the #1 long term solution to nearly every problem that arises (culture, poverty, wealth inequality, politics, the economy, careers) and yet its one of our worst performing areas. In every other area of industry productivity has dramatically INCREASED. In other areas of industry everyone copies our models. But it's gone dramatically backwards in education?

Brat: U.S. school spending up 375 percent over 30 years but test score remain flat | PolitiFact Virginia

Clearly there is something wrong, that's big, and obvious, why is not so well known?
Has any politician offered any reasonable solutions to of late from either party?

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Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?
At an increased education expense of around 120% (inflation adjusted) over 30 years...we have flat test scores to show for it, what's going on?

Education is the #1 long term solution to nearly every problem that arises (culture, poverty, wealth inequality, politics, the economy, careers) and yet its one of our worst performing areas. In every other area of industry productivity has dramatically INCREASED. In other areas of industry everyone copies our models. But it's gone dramatically backwards in education?

Brat: U.S. school spending up 375 percent over 30 years but test score remain flat | PolitiFact Virginia

Clearly there is something wrong, that's big, and obvious, why is not so well known?
Has any politician offered any reasonable solutions to of late from either party?

Flat vs expenses
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Staff vs students
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Poverty contributes to the increases. Poverty also contributes to low test scores. I haven't seen any politician address how poverty impacts children yet.
 
Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?
At an increased education expense of around 120% (inflation adjusted) over 30 years...we have flat test scores to show for it, what's going on?

Education is the #1 long term solution to nearly every problem that arises (culture, poverty, wealth inequality, politics, the economy, careers) and yet its one of our worst performing areas. In every other area of industry productivity has dramatically INCREASED. In other areas of industry everyone copies our models. But it's gone dramatically backwards in education?

Brat: U.S. school spending up 375 percent over 30 years but test score remain flat | PolitiFact Virginia

Clearly there is something wrong, that's big, and obvious, why is not so well known?
Has any politician offered any reasonable solutions to of late from either party?

Flat vs expenses
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All they're doing is this:

We have X # of students.
We threw Y # of dollars at schools.
We saw Z results.
We want different results.

Where, exactly, is all this money GOING? This is what's vital to grasp. What does $816 / student (quote) VS $200 / student (made up) even mean?

WHAT is being done - by the schools - with all that FUNDING?

At my kids school they have: Smartboards. No lockers. An excess of worksheets instead of homework and textbook based assignments completed on lined paper. An all new facility for the uprise in students - now 9th graders have their own school. Which also means more teachers and more busing routes. A new series of education buildings at the high school. A new stadium.

But what that money does not go to: EDUCATIONAL CONTENT / CURRICULUM CHANGES / QUALITY METHODS OF TEACHING- things like this.

Smartboards in all the classrooms? whoop de freaking do.
 
Poverty contributes to the increases. Poverty also contributes to low test scores. I haven't seen any politician address how poverty impacts children yet.

that sounds great for the left. just blame regression and failure on poverty - so the solution of course is more spending, lol.
 
that sounds great for the left. just blame regression and failure on poverty - so the solution of course is more spending, lol.

Sorry to have to bring up an inconvenient truth. Wealthy school districts are doing just fine with test scores. It's the poor districts that do not.
 
Where, exactly, is all this money GOING? This is what's vital to grasp. What does $816 / student (quote) VS $200 / student (made up) even mean?

WHAT is being done - by the schools - with all that FUNDING?

good question. my guess is there are a bunch of fat cat administrators who dont teach but get big salaries and pensions. then there are likely a ton of ESL teachers for all the illegal aliens streaming into the country.
 
I am sure there are multiple reasons but I think the biggest problem is the home lives of the kids. Are the kids growing up in an environment conducive to studying and learning?
 
I am sure there are multiple reasons but I think the biggest problem is the home lives of the kids. Are the kids growing up in an environment conducive to studying and learning?

There's a massive anti-education viewpoint in the US, really. It's just a cultural trend that's been going on for decades. At least NOW we're seeing a social peer acceptance of smart kids. When I was in school nerds were bullied extensively and people who were smart were shunned a bit for it. Being educated was bad - and even kids feel it's a punishment / don't care as much as they should.

Money is just a tiny bit of the whole issue - teachers and parents also need to be in tune to things. And no, teachers aren't always on the side of better education. Sometimes they're the reason why we're struggling so much at times.
 
Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?
At an increased education expense of around 120% (inflation adjusted) over 30 years...we have flat test scores to show for it, what's going on?

Education is the #1 long term solution to nearly every problem that arises (culture, poverty, wealth inequality, politics, the economy, careers) and yet its one of our worst performing areas. In every other area of industry productivity has dramatically INCREASED. In other areas of industry everyone copies our models. But it's gone dramatically backwards in education?

Brat: U.S. school spending up 375 percent over 30 years but test score remain flat | PolitiFact Virginia

Clearly there is something wrong, that's big, and obvious, why is not so well known?
Has any politician offered any reasonable solutions to of late from either party?

Flat vs expenses
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Because the system of education is broken?
 
There's a massive anti-education viewpoint in the US, really. It's just a cultural trend that's been going on for decades. At least NOW we're seeing a social peer acceptance of smart kids. When I was in school nerds were bullied extensively and people who were smart were shunned a bit for it. Being educated was bad - and even kids feel it's a punishment / don't care as much as they should.

Money is just a tiny bit of the whole issue - teachers and parents also need to be in tune to things. And no, teachers aren't always on the side of better education. Sometimes they're the reason why we're struggling so much at times.

Statistically, those teachers who are seen as not performing well due to test scores are from low income schools. Much has to do with high teacher turn over.
 
Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?

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Perhaps for a similar reason that we spend the highest by far on healthcare, yet have substandard health & health-outcomes compared to many of our peer nations.

Ineffectual, inefficient, stalemated government, and private free-market business entities that don't respond to bettering any social constructs outside of their own profitability.

IOW, we have neither government nor free-markets improving our society and nation to the levels of many of our peer nations. So we flounder, and drift downward in many important quality of life issues.
 
Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?
At an increased education expense of around 120% (inflation adjusted) over 30 years...we have flat test scores to show for it, what's going on?

That's pretty easy to answer, so let's start naming the issues:

1.) The United States doesn't take teachers seriously, but they do take administrators seriously. As such, administrators and members of the School Boards/Boards of Education --many of whom have never taught a day in their lives-- make a majority of the important decisions. Power is centralized, and so teachers are just cogs in the machine. That does two things; one it creates very stupid academic initiatives --at the local, state, and Federal level-- and stupid educational policies; two, it demoralizes teachers and doesn't incentivize them to do a good job. Confer to Finland, which has the top public education system in the world; the choice there was to do the opposite: Strengthen the power of teachers (in both pay and institutional power) and weaken administrators. The results speak for themselves.

2.) The United States has a very anti-intellectual, anti-education culture. You can see this with how the average American (particularly from poor and rural areas) have nothing but absolute disdain for professors and teachers. That goes hand-in-hand with many beliefs, such as "math is hard" or "I hate writing." That gets ingrained at a young, young age. A lot of this has to do with our inability to move away from the old German factory-worker model of education (wrote memorization, responding to a bell, no emphasis on understanding, emphasis on repeating tedious tasks, etc).

3.) We know how to impose positive changes, but parents rebel. Parents don't like new ideas, and so this instills a pretty serious and pretty stupid contradiction --parents hate how they were educated and often bred nothing but their own contempt for education, but they also don't want to see any innovation or "new" aspects to teaching, because it confuses them and means they can't help their kids out on their homework. That makes them feel dumb, and so the teachers must be held responsible.

4.) The United States is obsessed with "objective standards" and "rewarding winners" far more than they care about servicing students. As such, it's Americans have chosen to value standardized testing over individualized classrooms to an extreme. Bad students get less and less money and attention --largely because the attention was never there in the first place-- and the good districts do what they can to reward their teachers. The education institution --again, from the Federal level to the local level-- does nothing but enable this.

5.) The average citizen, including the average parent, just doesn't give a flying ****.



That's a recipe for a disastrous educational system. (And we haven't even gotten to the US' university system and infrastructure, which was top notch but is quickly beginning to crumble for reasons not totally dissimilar to the issues raised here, only there administrative control and business "rapid growth" tactics are tearing down university institutions to sift for gold in the walls.)
 
Neither poverty, nor wealth, nor even the amount budgeted by the government are related to low scoring kids in school - culture is the problem. A culture where education is not important, parents do not participate, doing good in school can get you beaten in some neighborhoods, and children have no respect for teachers - these are just a few of the cultural problems that have lead to kids not being educated.
 
That's pretty easy to answer, so let's start naming the issues:

1.) The United States doesn't take teachers seriously, but they do take administrators seriously. As such, administrators and members of the School Boards/Boards of Education --many of whom have never taught a day in their lives-- make a majority of the important decisions. Power is centralized, and so teachers are just cogs in the machine. That does two things; one it creates very stupid academic initiatives --at the local, state, and Federal level-- and stupid educational policies; two, it demoralizes teachers and doesn't incentivize them to do a good job. Confer to Finland, which has the top public education system in the world; the choice there was to do the opposite: Strengthen the power of teachers (in both pay and institutional power) and weaken administrators. The results speak for themselves.

2.) The United States has a very anti-intellectual, anti-education culture. You can see this with how the average American (particularly from poor and rural areas) have nothing but absolute disdain for professors and teachers. That goes hand-in-hand with many beliefs, such as "math is hard" or "I hate writing." That gets ingrained at a young, young age. A lot of this has to do with our inability to move away from the old German factory-worker model of education (wrote memorization, responding to a bell, no emphasis on understanding, emphasis on repeating tedious tasks, etc).

3.) We know how to impose positive changes, but parents rebel. Parents don't like new ideas, and so this instills a pretty serious and pretty stupid contradiction --parents hate how they were educated and often bred nothing but their own contempt for education, but they also don't want to see any innovation or "new" aspects to teaching, because it confuses them and means they can't help their kids out on their homework. That makes them feel dumb, and so the teachers must be held responsible.

4.) The United States is obsessed with "objective standards" and "rewarding winners" far more than they care about servicing students. As such, it's Americans have chosen to value standardized testing over individualized classrooms to an extreme. Bad students get less and less money and attention --largely because the attention was never there in the first place-- and the good districts do what they can to reward their teachers. The education institution --again, from the Federal level to the local level-- does nothing but enable this.

5.) The average citizen, including the average parent, just doesn't give a flying ****.



That's a recipe for a disastrous educational system. (And we haven't even gotten to the US' university system and infrastructure, which was top notch but is quickly beginning to crumble for reasons not totally dissimilar to the issues raised here, only there administrative control and business "rapid growth" tactics are tearing down university institutions to sift for gold in the walls.)

VERY well put. I have some minor disagreements with parts of number 4, but not enough to go into tonight.
 
That's pretty easy to answer, so let's start naming the issues:

1.) The United States doesn't take teachers seriously, but they do take administrators seriously. As such, administrators and members of the School Boards/Boards of Education --many of whom have never taught a day in their lives-- make a majority of the important decisions. Power is centralized, and so teachers are just cogs in the machine. That does two things; one it creates very stupid academic initiatives --at the local, state, and Federal level-- and stupid educational policies; two, it demoralizes teachers and doesn't incentivize them to do a good job. Confer to Finland, which has the top public education system in the world; the choice there was to do the opposite: Strengthen the power of teachers (in both pay and institutional power) and weaken administrators. The results speak for themselves.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, the power is far too distant, too centralized. We should not have a Federal Department of Education, funding from the national government skews things far too much for such little investment, generally spent on the wrong things.

School systems nationwide are also continuously jumping on the newest educational fad bandwagon, changing every three to five years for the newest shiny thing. Teachers are forced to jump through the new hoops, whether they are already effective teachers or not, becoming more and more cookie cutter type automatons sucking any creativity from them, which in turn is passed on to the students who become increasingly bored with teachers forced to be like every other teacher. Constant measuring of every metric to the point where teachers have little time to plan for their classes and are already expected to do much of the grading at home. Hits to teacher morale are incessant.

All the crutches currently in place do more harm, long run, than the intended good. IEPs, Individualized Educational Plans in which teachers are forced to provide notes for the students, give extra time on tests and quizzes, water down certain tests, assignments etc... for the students that have the IEPs creating a system which is not fair to the other students who have to take their own notes, a skill that should be required in any event...

Often, due to the administrative positions being political positions, discipline takes a hit because principals dont want too many parent complaints downtown. Where the rubber meets the road, in the classroom, teachers are often left with little or no real support and have to make their way, especially in difficult class settings, on their own. High turnover with inexperienced teachers who cannot control classes. Students who have not been managed properly in the past know and game the system... they know there will be few true consequences from administration or teachers that fear for their jobs. Student grow accustomed to feeling they do not have to follow the rules or instruction. With discipline lax, frustration is high, freedom to teach how your want curtailed, it becomes a stifling environment. Teachers are constantly walking on eggshells with all the constant briefing on what you cannot do in case [you might offend or embarrass someone]. Lawyers come into the schools before school starts in the fall to brief teachers on the potential law suit worthy pitfalls they might easily fall into.

You add to that the constant watering down of the curriculum so that its not too too hard so everyone can pass, yet getting critiqued if you have too many students with high grades in your classes, it is very epitome of catch 22 at all times from all angles.

Tracking, which has a bad name, has also been pretty much disbanded. So a teacher instead of having a class with mostly the same level of students wherein if you detected students not understanding you could pretty much be assured the whole class wasn't and you could adjust, go back and reteach. Now, you get a smorgasbord of students with skills all over the spectrum. So if you teach slowly to the ones that are not as sharp, you are losing the smart kids who are bored to death. If a teacher goes the other way, teaches to the top end you lose the ones at the bottom who just are unable to keep up, so teachers tend towards the dull middle area.

Middle schools in Central Florida do not give much or any homework, so kids get to high school ill equipped for even modest rigor. HS is preparing for college where you better learn to do the outside reading. So kids arrive at high school with bad habits and no real desire to overcome these habits.
 
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I think a lot of conservatives agree with what I have to say superficially, but I'm not sure they actually agree with what I'm actually proposing (which is literal, doctrinal socialism). You pay teachers like they aren't mindless automotons, you give them power over the administrators, and they have control over their profession at an institutional level --they set standards, they establish the educational process, they set teacher assessments, and so forth.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, the power is far too distant, too centralized. We should not have a Federal Department of Education, funding from the national government skews things far too much for such little investment, generally spent on the wrong things.

It's worth noting, and what I thought the most important, was point 1. Point 1 didn't state there shouldn't be a centralized educational program. Point 1 said that we should allow administrators with business degrees run schools, and that I advocated for the Finnish system. The Finnish system is extremely centralized in terms of funding, but the authority is legitimate (in the libertarian socialist sense). It's maintained by experts in the field (here, teachers), and the distribution of student costs is held equitably across Finland. This means a student in a poor district has the same right and access to education as a student in a rich district.

In other words, you pay teachers like they matter, you give them the power to tell the administration what they need and can then expect that to actually happen, and allow them to assess each others' work as professionals. Then you just let them do their jobs. That's a far superior method of education, and statistics bare this out.

School systems nationwide are also continuously jumping on the newest educational fad bandwagon, changing every three to five years for the newest shiny thing.

Agreed. This falls in line with the American love of the "band aid" mentality. Don't work hard on something new through careful progress; just give a crap idea a make-over, and call it progress.

IEPs, Individualized Educational Plans in which teachers are forced to provide notes for the students, give extra time on tests and quizzes, water down certain tests, assignments etc...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but IEP's help teachers identify problem students. That seems pretty vital, especially for students with disabilities and so forth.

You add to that the constant watering down of the curriculum so that its not too too hard so everyone can pass, yet getting critiqued if you have too many students with high grades in your classes, it is very epitome of catch 22 at all times from all angles.

Yeah, again, all problems that you run into when you don't take teaching seriously or let experts make decisions for their field.

Tracking, which has a bad name, has also been pretty much disbanded.

I'm not sure that I agree with tracking until high school. I think the better argument is that you need to improve everyone's schooling.

Middle schools in Central Florida do not give much or any homework, so kids get to high school which is preparing for college where you better learn to do the outside reading. So kids arrive at high school already with bad habits and no desire to overcome these habits.

The Floridian education system is what you get when you combine lots of low income students (i.e. the students who, through no fault of their own, don't have cultural or institutional support) with a serious commitment to neoliberal (libertarian/Republican) politics. In other words, it's completely ****ed.
 
All the crutches currently in place do more harm, long run, than the intended good. IEPs, Individualized Educational Plans in which teachers are forced to provide notes for the students, give extra time on tests and quizzes, water down certain tests, assignments etc... for the students that have the IEPs creating a system which is not fair to the other students who have to take their own notes, a skill that should be required in any event...

Spoken from a soapbox of profound ignorance.

An IEP is not to the disadvantage of other students, but is rather an equalizer for the student with a disability, providing them access to education and placing measurable goals that the student needs to reach. Services are hardly granted on a maximizing basis and it's not done so with penalization to other students in mind or effect. You often have to fight to get the basics established by law some 40 years ago. It's about the student's needs, not the strong angst the rest of the population has against those of us with disabilities.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but IEP's help teachers identify problem students. That seems pretty vital, especially for students with disabilities and so forth.

On so many levels. Since 1975, they are, in part, a contract between family, student, and school that services will be provided and the student's education is accessible to them as required by law. Special education remains the most litigated and contested field, because there are rightly concerns that each of the parties have about what their responsibilities are. These plans serve as the documentary trail to ensure that lawful processes and best practices are followed. Special education, in many respects, could be seen as the starting point for what many education accountability advocates end up arguing for in the general education system. Increasingly family-focused reforms, documentary trails, data, data, data, and fidelity. In comparison with general education, special education has a lot more data points to work with, and has really paid attention toward that since 1998. IEPs play a crucial role in that data collection and accountability system.

It's also a growth document that stretches from the time diagnosed and enrolled, to graduation. If done correctly, the series of short-term and long term goals will help drive that young person into a greater chance for success in the adult world. From 1975 to 1984 the IEP was more or less strictly an educational document that discussed what the student would receive and aim toward in their public schooling years. After 1984 the IEP would be accompanied by another document that would serve as a bridge to the adult world. That, in of itself, is absolutely needed. That happened because in the early 1980s the Department of Labor found that upwards of 75% of people with disabilities were unemployed. In the Reagan administration's Department of Education, Assistant Secretary of Education Madeleine Will (who had a son with Down Syndrome and was, at the time, married to conservative columnist George Will) developed a policy to turn that around. Since then, it's become a huge plank to special education. Despite some crucial gains, the struggles remain, however. Even to this day, roughly 17-20% of people with disabilities are employed, in comparison with the overwhelming majority without disabilities. The IEP and ITP serve as necessary documents that administer the student's education, their legal protections, and future planning.

In the early-to-mid 1980s, there was talk about expanding this concept to more students---those without disabilities. This proved to be too complicated of a concept to manage thus far. Moving individualized plans to scale is an insurmountable challenge, albeit, an interesting concept with some conceptual cross-stakeholder appeal. For one thing, educators like the idea of individualized education because not only does such a model argue for increasing their numbers and support staff, but it also hones in on the notion that smaller classes are better for students and allow for more authentic instructional opportunities. But, an "IEP for all" model is inherently a form and data-driven model, and as such, requires an amount of attention and manpower that is currently counter-intuitive and counter-productive to the existing educational structures. That's why most sensible people, especially educators and administrators, thought the notion was laughable.
 
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Much the same picture in Sweden. Except that pupil levels of accomplishment are declining rather than flat-lining. The prime cause here is high levels of migration. Many schools have a lot of pupils who speak little Swedish and who are not literate in any language. A secondary cause in increasing indiscipline even among ethnic Swedish pupils.
 
Why does the United States spend so much on education per student compared to other nations, yet has mediocre outcomes?
At an increased education expense of around 120% (inflation adjusted) over 30 years...we have flat test scores to show for it, what's going on?

Education is the #1 long term solution to nearly every problem that arises (culture, poverty, wealth inequality, politics, the economy, careers) and yet its one of our worst performing areas. In every other area of industry productivity has dramatically INCREASED. In other areas of industry everyone copies our models. But it's gone dramatically backwards in education?

Brat: U.S. school spending up 375 percent over 30 years but test score remain flat | PolitiFact Virginia

Clearly there is something wrong, that's big, and obvious, why is not so well known?
Has any politician offered any reasonable solutions to of late from either party?

Flat vs expenses
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Staff vs students
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Putting money into public projects to produce private goods doesn't work. That's no surprise. The surprise is more, when it does as in Finland.
 
Spoken from a soapbox of profound ignorance.

An IEP is not to the disadvantage of other students, but is rather an equalizer for the student with a disability, providing them access to education and placing measurable goals that the student needs to reach. Services are hardly granted on a maximizing basis and it's not done so with penalization to other students in mind or effect. You often have to fight to get the basics established by law some 40 years ago. It's about the student's needs, not the strong angst the rest of the population has against those of us with disabilities.
IEPs, if properly employed are potentially a nice tool to have in the toolbox. Students who do have medium to profound disabilities can be advantaged by such. Problems occur when this system is abused, too many are utilized when unnecessary, the standards for obtaining them are inevitably flimsy, the reliance on them without further effort to improve in areas lacking. Numerous students, and their parents, learn how to game the system with these and other liberally offered up crutches that abound in the system. Instead of learning to cope and overcome the disability, they are given these crutches. When they get to the real world, suddenly these crutches are no longer available and running with the pack proves even more difficult.

Case in point, understandably anecdotal but just a description for better understanding, of a Principal friend of mine. He was profoundly dyslexic but had came along before there was all the testing and accommodations for such. The guy was forced to overcome his disability [he was also diabetic] and by dint of hard work and determination he became, I believe, a Colonel in the Army Reserves, a fine Principal and a millionaire able to retire early from education.

Noted the ad hominem utilized as the first weapon in your attack; these the tools of those who lack proper self control and debating skills. Sorry to inform there are no IEPs for these type disabilities here, either.
 
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Much the same picture in Sweden. Except that pupil levels of accomplishment are declining rather than flat-lining. The prime cause here is high levels of migration. Many schools have a lot of pupils who speak little Swedish and who are not literate in any language. A secondary cause in increasing indiscipline even among ethnic Swedish pupils.
Agreed.

We have similar problems here in the US. Legal and illegal immigration have swamped the system, especially in Florida and many border states with additional funding required for ESL programs. Students with no knowledge of the language of their instruction, as you expressed, and then that additional problem of not even having been educated properly in their own language. Profound disadvantage and placed in the laps of teachers. Many of these students are also fairly transient, not staying in any one educational location for any length of time and often from households where there is no experience and thus no appreciation for improving their children's education.
 
IEPs, if properly employed are potentially a nice tool to have in the toolbox. Students who do have medium to profound disabilities can be advantaged by such. Problems occur when this system is abused, too many are utilized when unnecessary, the standards for obtaining them are inevitably flimsy, the reliance on them without further effort to improve in areas lacking. Numerous students, and their parents, learn how to game the system with these and other liberally offered up crutches that abound in the system. Instead of learning to cope and overcome the disability, they are given these crutches. When they get to the real world, suddenly these crutches are no longer available and running with the pack proves even more difficult.

Case in point, understandably anecdotal but just a description for better understanding, of a Principal friend of mine. He was profoundly dyslexic but had came along before there was all the testing and accommodations for such. The guy was forced to overcome his disability [he was also diabetic] and by dint of hard work and determination he became, I believe, a Colonel in the Army Reserves, a fine Principal and a millionaire able to retire early from education.

Noted the ad hominem utilized as the first weapon in your attack; these the tools of those who lack proper self control and debating skills. Sorry to inform there are no IEPs for these type disabilities here, either.

Disabilities are not often "overcome" during a student's tenure (pulling that word out is a tell tale sign for a poor view of people with disabilities), no matter how much people without disabilities (including teachers and administrators) will it so. Disabilities stay with us throughout our lives. Some are able to do without over time (for instance I was only able to do so half way through college) but most are not. Of course, this doesn't stop people like teachers and administrators from admonishing kids for somehow still having a disability.

The reason why I employed it is because it is a statement devoid of true experience. It diminishes the very real struggles we have to actually be treated with respect in the schools by instructors and administrators in our schools, let alone by those who are our peers.

Your statement offends not just because it is incorrect, but because it is the exact same nonsense people with disabilities and their families have to counteract day in and day out. Parents are not gaming a thing. More often than not, it is the schools that are gaming the system by not following the law or a student's plan. They have far more power (and use it) than families and their children do.

So yeah, of course I am going to take exception to your incredibly insensitive statements.
 
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