Liberal Intolerance on the Rise on Campus[W:79]

Now there's hard evidence of liberal intolerance on campus. UCLA provides the evidence.




Liberal intolerance is on the rise on college campuses

• By Catherine Rampell

Okay, maybe conservatives are right to freak out about illiberal lefty militancy on college campuses.
Today’s students are indeed both more left wing and more openly hostile to free speech than earlier generations of collegians.
Don’t believe me? There are hard data to prove it.
For 50 years, researchers have surveyed incoming college freshmen about everything from their majors to their worldviews. On Thursday, the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles released the latest iteration of this survey, which included 141,189 full-time, first-year students attending about 200 public and private baccalaureate institutions around the country.
According to the findings, the current crop of freshmen can lay claim to multiple superlatives. Among them: most willing to shut down speech they find offensive. . . .

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Jack Hays said:

Now there's hard evidence of liberal intolerance on campus. UCLA provides the evidence.




Liberal intolerance is on the rise on college campuses

• By Catherine Rampell

Okay, maybe conservatives are right to freak out about illiberal lefty militancy on college campuses.
Today’s students are indeed both more left wing and more openly hostile to free speech than earlier generations of collegians.
Don’t believe me? There are hard data to prove it.
For 50 years, researchers have surveyed incoming college freshmen about everything from their majors to their worldviews. On Thursday, the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles released the latest iteration of this survey, which included 141,189 full-time, first-year students attending about 200 public and private baccalaureate institutions around the country.
According to the findings, the current crop of freshmen can lay claim to multiple superlatives. Among them: most willing to shut down speech they find offensive. . . .

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*yawn*

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FieldTheorist said:

*yawn*

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Yep. Yawn, put on blinkers, avert one's gaze, pretend it's not happening. Or maybe put one's fingers into one's ears, chant la-la-la and run in circles. I think that student hatred of free speech - not only evident in the US - is an important development.

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Jack Hays said:

Now there's hard evidence of liberal intolerance on campus. UCLA provides the evidence.




Liberal intolerance is on the rise on college campuses

• By Catherine Rampell

Okay, maybe conservatives are right to freak out about illiberal lefty militancy on college campuses.
Today’s students are indeed both more left wing and more openly hostile to free speech than earlier generations of collegians.
Don’t believe me? There are hard data to prove it.
For 50 years, researchers have surveyed incoming college freshmen about everything from their majors to their worldviews. On Thursday, the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles released the latest iteration of this survey, which included 141,189 full-time, first-year students attending about 200 public and private baccalaureate institutions around the country.
According to the findings, the current crop of freshmen can lay claim to multiple superlatives. Among them: most willing to shut down speech they find offensive. . . .

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Sorry but that piece you linked is trash. The data which she claims is the reason for the article is incomplete and nor very compelling. Her other "examples" consist of her "getting a lot of emails that demand retraction" when she writes stupid **** like this I see why. When I was in College we kicked the ROTC off campus and that was in 1971. I think most of what goes on today is tame as hell and most of the noise is from cry baby right wingers who want attention.

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iguanaman said:

Sorry but that piece you linked is trash. The data which she claims is the reason for the article is incomplete and nor very compelling. Her other "examples" consist of her "getting a lot of emails that demand retraction" when she writes stupid **** like this I see why. When I was in College we kicked the ROTC off campus and that was in 1971. I think most of what goes on today is tame as hell and most of the noise is from cry baby right wingers who want attention.

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Did you get to spit on a few returning Vietnam veterans as well? You kicked the ROTC off campus? What ever happened to freedom of choice? How about you just not join the military but let others make up their own minds? Naw, it's freedom of choice so long as you agree with the choice, otherwise you just want anything you disagree with buried and banned.

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X Factor said:

Did you get to spit on a few returning Vietnam veterans as well? You kicked the ROTC off campus? What ever happened to freedom of choice? How about you just not join the military but let others make up their own minds? Naw, it's freedom of choice so long as you agree with the choice, otherwise you just want anything you disagree with buried and banned.

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That is a right wing lie. The only people I know who spit on Vietnam vets were the Swiftboaters and the lies they told about Kerry were despicable. If we saved even one life from being being thrown away on a immoral and useless war it was worth it. So no we were not going to let them recruit for that horrible war under our nose without objection.

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iguanaman said:

That is a right wing lie. The only people I know who spit on Vietnam vets were the Swiftboaters. If we saved even one life from being being thrown away on a immoral and useless war it was worth it.

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Like suddenly military life mattered, or matters to you. Don't try to sell me that. Back to that freedom of choice thing. You know better so you should get to control other's choices. What other choices would you like to remove from people? Should we go back to riding horses? Think of the live saved not getting killed in car wrecks.

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X Factor said:

Like suddenly military life mattered, or matters to you. Don't try to sell me that. Back to that freedom of choice thing. You know better so you should get to control other's choices. What other choices would you like to remove from people? Should we go back to riding horses? Think of the live saved not getting killed in car wrecks.

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Stop trying to defend the indefensible. We were within our rights to protest our murdering of 1000's of Vietnamese who had done nothing to us. And history has shown that we were correct in the belief that the war was wrong from the start and every American who died there was dying in vain. Those who did nothing share the guilt and the shame of 60,000 brave men who lost there lives half way around the world for a mistake.

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iguanaman said:

Stop trying to defend the indefensible. We were within our rights to protest our murdering of 1000's of Vietnamese who had done nothing to us. And history has shown that we were correct in the belief that the war was wrong from the start and every American who died there was dying in vain. Those who did nothing share the guilt and the shame.

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Who do you think you're kidding? You accuse our soldiers of "murdering" people then feign concern of soldiers dying there. Trying to use soldiers in such a disingenuous way is pure crap.

I'm done.

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X Factor said:

Did you get to spit on a few returning Vietnam veterans as well? You kicked the ROTC off campus? What ever happened to freedom of choice? How about you just not join the military but let others make up their own minds? Naw, it's freedom of choice so long as you agree with the choice, otherwise you just want anything you disagree with buried and banned.

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I hate to butt in on this one specific point... But X... There has never been an actual reported incident of a GI getting spit on as far as Vietnam is concerned.

It's a myth that doesn't appear to have historical validity.

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iguanaman said:

Stop trying to defend the indefensible. We were within our rights to protest our murdering of 1000's of Vietnamese who had done nothing to us. And history has shown that we were correct in the belief that the war was wrong from the start and every American who died there was dying in vain. Those who did nothing share the guilt and the shame of 60,000 brave men who lost there lives half way around the world for a mistake.

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Why are you holding out the crying towel for U.S. troops who died in that war and calling them "brave men," if they were murdering all those thousands of innocent Vietnamese as you say?

As for intolerance, that is part of being a pseudo-liberal prig. These specimens masquerade as liberals, but beneath the disguise they are would-be Gauleiters. They would have been right at home among the street rabble in Munich, circa 1920, who were to become early followers of the National Socialists. The only amendments these barbarian know-nothings loathe more than the First are the Second and the Tenth.

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Jack Hays said:

Now there's hard evidence of liberal intolerance on campus. UCLA provides the evidence.




Liberal intolerance is on the rise on college campuses

• By Catherine Rampell

Okay, maybe conservatives are right to freak out about illiberal lefty militancy on college campuses.
Today’s students are indeed both more left wing and more openly hostile to free speech than earlier generations of collegians.
Don’t believe me? There are hard data to prove it.
For 50 years, researchers have surveyed incoming college freshmen about everything from their majors to their worldviews. On Thursday, the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles released the latest iteration of this survey, which included 141,189 full-time, first-year students attending about 200 public and private baccalaureate institutions around the country.
According to the findings, the current crop of freshmen can lay claim to multiple superlatives. Among them: most willing to shut down speech they find offensive. . . .

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Nice oxymoron, that. But, in fact, the "left" as a force of and for the masses is philosophically little tolerant of individual liberties. Right and wrong are defined by the requirements of the mass and by proxy of the state. This lends itself well to fundamentalist populism as we saw it in its worst forms in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia or Maoist China and the Cambodian tragedy. This does not mean every socialist will become a Pol Pot. It is only something that should be in every head, when socialism is rearing its head.

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iguanaman said:

Stop trying to defend the indefensible. We were within our rights to protest our murdering of 1000's of Vietnamese who had done nothing to us. And history has shown that we were correct in the belief that the war was wrong from the start and every American who died there was dying in vain. Those who did nothing share the guilt and the shame of 60,000 brave men who lost there lives half way around the world for a mistake.

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Winter Soldier rides again.

Disgusting.

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iguanaman said:

That is a right wing lie. The only people I know who spit on Vietnam vets were the Swiftboaters and the lies they told about Kerry were despicable. If we saved even one life from being being thrown away on a immoral and useless war it was worth it. So no we were not going to let them recruit for that horrible war under our nose without objection.

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ahhh....the old " even one life " defense.

(yawn)

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Jetboogieman said:

I hate to butt in on this one specific point... But X... There has never been an actual reported incident of a GI getting spit on as far as Vietnam is concerned.

It's a myth that doesn't appear to have historical validity.

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I did not see that as well, but here is what I DID see.

In Milby Park in Houston the protesters there were hoisting the NORTH VIETNAMESE flag over their ranks. That is and was the flag of the enemy. I was protesting with them and in their ranks because I had my older brother over there in Vietnam. However, when I saw them raise the flag of our enemy, the ones who wanted him dead, over the group I was in, I immediately left the group and watched from the sidelines.

Good thing too. The HPD did some major ass kicking not too long after that. I left when the ass kicking started. Good thing too. I was dressed like a hippie and had long hair.

It is one thing to protest under the American flag, but it is completely despicable to protest under the flag of our enemy.

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X Factor said:

Did you get to spit on a few returning Vietnam veterans as well? You kicked the ROTC off campus? What ever happened to freedom of choice? How about you just not join the military but let others make up their own minds? Naw, it's freedom of choice so long as you agree with the choice, otherwise you just want anything you disagree with buried and banned.

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err in Vietnam there was no choice to NOT join the military, unless your last name was bush or trump or you wanted to flee to a foreign territory with no prospect of seeing loved ones again. My grandpa for instance was drafted and spent a year in Alaska for training, while he was brother was sent off to a jungle warzone

whatever happened to freedom of choice indeed

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iguanaman said:

Sorry but that piece you linked is trash. The data which she claims is the reason for the article is incomplete and nor very compelling. Her other "examples" consist of her "getting a lot of emails that demand retraction" when she writes stupid **** like this I see why. When I was in College we kicked the ROTC off campus and that was in 1971. I think most of what goes on today is tame as hell and most of the noise is from cry baby right wingers who want attention.

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Not a fan of UCLA? Btw, this columnist is a regular at the Washington Post (to which I subscribe) and she's a lefty.

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Jetboogieman said:

I hate to butt in on this one specific point... But X... There has never been an actual reported incident of a GI getting spit on as far as Vietnam is concerned.

It's a myth that doesn't appear to have historical validity.

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[h=3]Disrespect for Vietnam vets is fact, not fiction - Star Tribune[/h]www.startribune.com/disrespect...vietnam-vets.../160444095...


Star Tribune


Jun 26, 2012 - ... of returning military men and women ("The myth of the spat-upon war veteran," June 8). ... Vietnam vets were raised in a society that honored veterans. ... The spitting on veterans was just a small part of the overall feeling of ...

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matchlight said:

Why are you holding out the crying towel for U.S. troops who died in that war and calling them "brave men," if they were murdering all those thousands of innocent Vietnamese as you say?

As for intolerance, that is part of being a pseudo-liberal prig. These specimens masquerade as liberals, but beneath the disguise they are would-be Gauleiters. They would have been right at home among the street rabble in Munich, circa 1920, who were to become early followers of the National Socialists. The only amendments these barbarian know-nothings loathe more than the First are the Second and the Tenth.

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Why would I blame the American soldiers when they were put in kill or be killed situation? Those that sent them there are the murderers. It is typical of the Fascist types to want to blame the protesters that were only using their Constitutional rights of assembly and free speech. Four dead in Ohio.

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iguanaman said:

Why would I blame the American soldiers when they were put in kill or be killed situation? Those that sent them there are the murderers. It is typical of the Fascist types to want to blame the protesters that were only using their Constitutional rights of assembly and free speech. Four dead in Ohio.

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Right on, man. Power to the people. For a moment there, I thought I could hear that old anti-American commie Pete Seeger at the microphone, leading a chorus of the unwashed and tie-dyed, protest signs in hand, in a chorus of "We Shall Overcome."

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Jack Hays said:

Now there's hard evidence of liberal intolerance on campus. UCLA provides the evidence.




Liberal intolerance is on the rise on college campuses

• By Catherine Rampell

Okay, maybe conservatives are right to freak out about illiberal lefty militancy on college campuses.
Today’s students are indeed both more left wing and more openly hostile to free speech than earlier generations of collegians.
Don’t believe me? There are hard data to prove it.
For 50 years, researchers have surveyed incoming college freshmen about everything from their majors to their worldviews. On Thursday, the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles released the latest iteration of this survey, which included 141,189 full-time, first-year students attending about 200 public and private baccalaureate institutions around the country.
According to the findings, the current crop of freshmen can lay claim to multiple superlatives. Among them: most willing to shut down speech they find offensive. . . .

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Well, I guess we can see how well the liberal / progressive indoctrination on college campuses is proceeding. Right on schedule it would seem.
:2mad:

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iguanaman said:

Why would I blame the American soldiers when they were put in kill or be killed situation? Those that sent them there are the murderers. It is typical of the Fascist types to want to blame the protesters that were only using their Constitutional rights of assembly and free speech. Four dead in Ohio.

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over 50,000 dead in another part of the world whose Daddy's did not have the $$$ to get them a deferment.

White, hispanic, black or asian, they all fit into the general catagory of another " nigga behind the trigga ". This was a NON-PC term I learned they called themselves regardless of race. Those that were not rich enough to go to college. Just ask any one of them.

Protesting them under the flag of the enemy is an abomination, and nothing to be proud of.

Protesting under the American flag, and for the vets is something to be proud of.

Even in the song CHANGE THE WORLD, its says..." SENATORS STOP THE WAR ! " That is still within the system, and the way it was eventually stopped in the end.

PLUS Operation Linebacker II that brought them back to the table with non-stop bombing. Before it was more hit & miss. LB II was nonstop. The all clear never got sounded.

My dept Head was in the Hanoi Hilton at the time and the guards attitudes changed completely after LB II.

I never went there, but was trained by Vietnam vets. Mostly good, some bad, but regardless of politics, I got the info right from the horses mouth.

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RetiredNSmilin said:

over 50,000 dead in another part of the world whose Daddy's did not have the $$$ to get them a deferment.

White, hispanic, black or asian, they all fit into the general catagory of another " nigga behind the trigga ". This was a NON-PC term I learned they called themselves regardless of race. Those that were not rich enough to go to college. Just ask any one of them.

Protesting them under the flag of the enemy is an abomination, and nothing to be proud of.

Protesting under the American flag, and for the vets is something to be proud of.

Even in the song CHANGE THE WORLD, its says..." SENATORS STOP THE WAR ! " That is still within the system, and the way it was eventually stopped in the end.

PLUS Operation Linebacker II that brought them back to the table with non-stop bombing. Before it was more hit & miss. LB II was nonstop. The all clear never got sounded.

My dept Head was in the Hanoi Hilton at the time and the guards attitudes changed completely after LB II.

I never went there, but was trained by Vietnam vets. Mostly good, some bad, but regardless of politics, I got the info right from the horses mouth.

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I find it amusing after all these years that you still cling to the false premise that we left Vietnam honorably with a treaty. That "treaty" was nothing but a sham to save face.
Believe it or not we LOST the Vietnam war, mostly because it was wrong from the start. The Vietnamese were not our enemy then and amazingly enough they are not our enemy now. The fact that you don't know that speaks volumes.

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iguanaman said:

I find it amusing after all these years that you still cling to the false premise that we left Vietnam honorably with a treaty. That "treaty" was nothing but a sham to save face.
Believe it or not we LOST the Vietnam war, mostly because it was wrong from the start. The Vietnamese were not our enemy then and amazingly enough they are not our enemy now. The fact that you don't know that speaks volumes.

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My apologies. iguanaman. That was NOT what I wanted to convey or say.

We LOST Vietnam. Nothing in my text above says we won it, but I could see where you might think it was IMPLIED. That was my failing.

What I DID say was Linebacker II brought them back to the negotiation table. You ASSumed I said we won, and that was not the case at all.

The Vietnamese simply had more will to win than we did. If you go back through their history, and history freshman could have also told the US Government that.

I think the best political drawing of the time shows an Uncle Sam wading through a rice paddy, with a rifle at port arms, and ahead in the darkness are the words, " French Mistakes in Indo China ", and here is Uncle Sam wandering right into the muck.

We also LOST the War of 1812, but both sides signed a peace treaty. We had two major victories, but overall we were getting the crappy end of the stick.

Now, the big question.....are you also man enough to admit you were wrong in ASSuming I said we were winners in Vietnam.

I NEVER at anytime said that. Are you big enough to admit to your mistake and apologize like I have for not being clear, and leading you to that erroneous opinion?

You answer will tell me a lot about who you are.

a) One that feels they NEVER make a mistake, so NEVER feel they need to apologize

or

b) One who admits to their mistakes and owns them without admitting on the side they were right anyway.

You were 100% wrong about me saying Vietnam was a US victory. I never at anytime said that anywhere.

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iguanaman said:

I find it amusing after all these years that you still cling to the false premise that we left Vietnam honorably with a treaty. That "treaty" was nothing but a sham to save face.
Believe it or not we LOST the Vietnam war, mostly because it was wrong from the start. The Vietnamese were not our enemy then and amazingly enough they are not our enemy now. The fact that you don't know that speaks volumes.

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RetiredNSmilin said:

My apologies. iguanaman. That was NOT what I wanted to convey or say.

We LOST Vietnam. Nothing in my text above says we won it, but I could see where you might think it was IMPLIED. That was my failing.

What I DID say was Linebacker II brought them back to the negotiation table. You ASSumed I said we won, and that was not the case at all.

The Vietnamese simply had more will to win than we did. If you go back through their history, and history freshman could have also told the US Government that.

I think the best political drawing of the time shows an Uncle Sam wading through a rice paddy, with a rifle at port arms, and ahead in the darkness are the words, " French Mistakes in Indo China ", and here is Uncle Sam wandering right into the muck.

We also LOST the War of 1812, but both sides signed a peace treaty. We had two major victories, but overall we were getting the crappy end of the stick.

Now, the big question.....are you also man enough to admit you were wrong in ASSuming I said we were winners in Vietnam.

I NEVER at anytime said that. Are you big enough to admit to your mistake and apologize like I have for not being clear, and leading you to that erroneous opinion?

You answer will tell me a lot about who you are.

a) One that feels they NEVER make a mistake, so NEVER feel they need to apologize

or

b) One who admits to their mistakes and owns them without admitting on the side they were right anyway.

You were 100% wrong about me saying Vietnam was a US victory. I never at anytime said that anywhere.

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Having lived through the period, I do not advocate or condemn any side. It was a morally fractured and ambiguous time, and people made choices according to their own compasses and understanding. I have friends who served and are proud to have done so; friends who protested and are proud to have done so; and friends who resisted/emigrated and are proud to have done so. They all remain my friends. It was said at the time that Vietnam was a cause for which we were willing to kill but not willing to die. Morally ambiguous, indeed.