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After a chapel service's sermon on I Corinthians 13 at Oklahoma Wesleyan University, a student came forward to complain that he felt "victimized." At the link is the university president's response, but here is an excerpt:

It appears that this young scholar felt offended because a homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love! In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.

I'm not making this up. Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic! Any time their feelings are hurt, they are the victims! Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”


No, a public university president wouldn't dare to speak up in this way, but I'm glad that Dr. Piper spoke up to his own students.
 
After a chapel service's sermon on I Corinthians 13 at Oklahoma Wesleyan University, a student came forward to complain that he felt "victimized." At the link is the university president's response, but here is an excerpt:

It appears that this young scholar felt offended because a homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love! In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.

I'm not making this up. Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic! Any time their feelings are hurt, they are the victims! Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”


No, a public university president wouldn't dare to speak up in this way, but I'm glad that Dr. Piper spoke up to his own students.
A homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love? Could you give us more information? A link?
 
welcome to the United states of the Offended and it will be our downfall.

whatever happened to telling these people to shut up and sit down?
 
University students have long felt that the university was a replica of the existing social and political order. Thus the impulse to "do battle with the system," is like a simulation for the "real world" where they would presumably lead small revolts or institute grandiose changes to society at large. It was a silly notion, and remains as such. As it was then, the desire to utilize the era's confrontation politics tends to overrun any desire to use them for causes that matter, or presumably matter more. Instead of 'sitting in' when police would beat young African Americans wanting the right to vote and exercise their right to be in the public square, university students would use the sit-in to prevent the university from operating, because they did not like that a few professors were being financed by the United States government to do research into defense technology or policy. It was also useful to prevent someone with a contrary opinion from being present in the university system-ordinarily presumed to be the marketplace of intellectuality.

In this era, we are using 'trigger warnings' and 'safe spaces,' ordinarily used in discrete places to secure persons from re-experiencing very real trauma and stigma (whether because they were victims of sexual assault or abuse, had mental health issues related to or stemming from previous traumas, or were gay, bisexual, transgendered, etc.), to shelter young minds from all instances of contrary viewpoints or even intellectual and vicarious exposure to trauma (so as to educate or train the populace about those issues). This ranges from protesting speakers, class reading materials, someone's otherwise forgettable Halloween party, or God forbid, the use of cafeteria food. While some would say that the disadvantaged and the vulnerable have been through enough and that they don't need to be exposed to more, in the university, it is also their time to be able to develop thicker skin and even better intellectuality so as to challenge the existing reality that they find so disturbing. If one wants to change society for the better, one has to first understand where the opposition is coming from and then work to find ways to either convince them otherwise, or to exploit their weaknesses. Without that sort of exposure, the likelihood that the existing protections found in the university would then expand into society at large is so miniscule that shielding them from hurtful thoughts would damage rather than help that young person. General society cares little about your feelings, and thus an inability to 'rise above' one's own trauma or social inequities would ensure that the status-quo will remain and will likely harm one's ability to adjust to adult life.

This has become so faddish that one can hardly argue that it's being used solely by the disadvantaged, as it can also be found among the privileged and the "oppressors." Already concerned about 'creeping Marxism' and 'white guilt,' these poor souls have and will continue to use these mechanisms of "hurt feelings" in order to prevent their own intellectual and moral growth, and diminish the authority of the already oppressed. Daniel Pipes' Campus Watch is purported to be a vaccine for the Leftism of the existing university, but it is hardly any better than the disease itself.

Then there's the cost to the marketplace of ideas, itself. Being stymied by political correctness, whether it's a right-wing variant or a left-wing one, academics and teachers alike cannot advance each other's minds, let alone the minds of the young, for fear of offending. The university is where one must be exposed to controversial and innocuous ideas alike. It must not comfort or coddle. It must challenge the young. Right wingers must sit through Marx, Foucault, and Said. Left-wingers must be confronted with Burke, Kirk, Jon Edwards, Niebuhr, and so on. Living descendents of their thought must be given optional audience, free from uncivil interruption or emotional refuge outside.

Young people need to toughen up and be serious.
 
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welcome to the United states of the Offended and it will be our downfall.

whatever happened to telling these people to shut up and sit down?

Seriously these stories about college kids are stupid.

Y'all sound like a bunch of old fogies...

"These gosh darn kids being so sensitive, bunch of pansy softies, back in my day...".

Most of the negative stories about college kids being whacky, or saying whacky things are completely overblown.

Get. A. Grip.
 
Seriously these stories about college kids are stupid.

Y'all sound like a bunch of old fogies...

"These gosh darn kids being so sensitive, bunch of pansy softies, back in my day...".

Most of the negative stories about college kids being whacky, or saying whacky things are completely overblown.

Get. A. Grip.

2015: The Year Students Lost Their Minds
Emily Shire, The Daily Beast
 

More nonsense.

Again, this is not some new phenomenon of old fogies thinking college kids are just a bunch of crybabies.

These are college kids, being college kids, whacky ideas and antics... Which regardless of what they're actually advocating is a form of free speech in and of itself.
 
More nonsense.

Again, this is not some new phenomenon of old fogies thinking college kids are just a bunch of crybabies.

These are college kids, being college kids, whacky ideas and antics... Which regardless of what they're actually advocating is a form of free speech in and of itself.

The students are attacking free speech.
 
Seriously these stories about college kids are stupid.

Y'all sound like a bunch of old fogies...

"These gosh darn kids being so sensitive, bunch of pansy softies, back in my day...".

Most of the negative stories about college kids being whacky, or saying whacky things are completely overblown.

Get. A. Grip.

haven't been reading the news lately then have you?

yale, a food fight at another school
so called demands for safe zones.

yes they need to sit down and shut up.
yes they are a bunch of sensitive, snot nose pansy brats who parents didn't have enough balls to tell them no
or to they didn't want to hurt their feelings.
 
More nonsense.

Again, this is not some new phenomenon of old fogies thinking college kids are just a bunch of crybabies.

These are college kids, being college kids, whacky ideas and antics... Which regardless of what they're actually advocating is a form of free speech in and of itself.

yes this post is nonsense now you can move on with your life.
 
After a chapel service's sermon on I Corinthians 13 at Oklahoma Wesleyan University, a student came forward to complain that he felt "victimized." At the link is the university president's response, but here is an excerpt:

It appears that this young scholar felt offended because a homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love! In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.

I'm not making this up. Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic! Any time their feelings are hurt, they are the victims! Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”


No, a public university president wouldn't dare to speak up in this way, but I'm glad that Dr. Piper spoke up to his own students.

I'm not sure it was really "our culture" that taught this particular young man to be so self absorbed and narcissistic. Maybe it was his parents, or his friends, or maybe he just has a tendency that way.

I wonder who taught Donald Tr... oh, right. Let's not derail the thread.
 
A wise man that speaks the truth.
This is Not a Day Care. It's a University! - Oklahoma Wesleyan University

At OKWU, we teach you to be selfless rather than self-centered. We are more interested in you practicing personal forgiveness than political revenge. We want you to model interpersonal reconciliation rather than foment personal conflict. We believe the content of your character is more important than the color of your skin. We don’t believe that you have been victimized every time you feel guilty and we don’t issue “trigger warnings” before altar calls.

Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a “safe place”, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn’t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that’s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that’s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.

This is not a day care. This is a university.
 

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

It almost sounds like a generational thing, since it's happening at many different places in the country all at the same time. It makes me wonder if war or other conflicts could be a common denominator for the unrest we are seeing, primarily because the call is for "safe" places. Interesting...
 
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

It almost sounds like a generational thing, since it's happening at many different places in the country all at the same time. It makes me wonder if war or other conflicts could be a common denominator for the unrest we are seeing, primarily because the call is for "safe" places. Interesting...

Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

And then they'll grow up.
 
haven't been reading the news lately then have you?

yale, a food fight at another school
so called demands for safe zones.

yes they need to sit down and shut up.
yes they are a bunch of sensitive, snot nose pansy brats who parents didn't have enough balls to tell them no
or to they didn't want to hurt their feelings.

No, they can say basically whatever they want, just like you can.
 
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

It almost sounds like a generational thing, since it's happening at many different places in the country all at the same time. It makes me wonder if war or other conflicts could be a common denominator for the unrest we are seeing, primarily because the call is for "safe" places. Interesting...

Evening Lady P.
We are the root cause, we gave to much, said no, not as often as we should have.
 
No, they can say basically whatever they want, just like you can.

cry more is all I can say.
I will treat them as the 2 year olds they are.

give them a bottle and put them down for their nap when they get to cranky.
 
Evening Lady P.
We are the root cause, we gave to much, said no, not as often as we should have.

no I think it was the generation after ours.
of course the whole Dr. Spock generation is now grown up.
 
So, religion is SUPPOSED to make you feel victimized...?

It's supposed to make you change your behavior. Churches refer to it as "repentance". You repent, you change your behavior, and god will forgive you, according to most Christian religions, that is.

Doesn't always work, of course. Some people won't change their behavior no matter what. They think of themselves as "victims" when they're really only victims of their own poor choices.
 
Seriously these stories about college kids are stupid.

Y'all sound like a bunch of old fogies...

"These gosh darn kids being so sensitive, bunch of pansy softies, back in my day...".

Most of the negative stories about college kids being whacky, or saying whacky things are completely overblown.

Get. A. Grip.

back in my day, we had to walk 16 miles to college uphill both ways, and there were blizzards in July. this was before they invented shoes, mind you, so we had to tie toasters to our feet. we were damned grateful for those toasters, too.
 
The students are attacking free speech.

Do you listen to yourselves...

"THESE COLLEGE KIDS ARE ATTACKING MY FREE SPEECH".

Nah... they're just being college kids and what a minuscule amount of them are doing and saying amounts to free speech in and of itself.

I'm not saying those tiny amount of Whacky College Kids are right about anything, but it appears a whole lot of adults feel better about themselves when they get to punch down.
 
The students are attacking free speech.

That's right! No one has the right to say things that make any other human feel all icky and invalidated! We ALL should hate incorrect speech, and I think serious jail sentences are in order for people who engage in hate speech of the kind that took place at this university.
 
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