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Women who in the past that would have been forced to teach because better jobs were not open to them can now persue careers.

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CaptainCourtesy

If you are going to go this route, I'll expand on it. A major reason that schools are not as good as they could be is that teachers are not paid equivalent to the importance of the work that they do. I recognize that it is the 'free market' but a society that pays a teacher $50k per year and a pro-basketball player $10 million per year, doesn't hold enough value towards teaching to have the best choose to train and go into that profession.

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Lachean

Loose public schools, make schools compete, we'll have better schools... but at what cost? Oh thats right, less than we pay for public education.

Considering my public school experience in what was the "richest country in America," there is no way in hell my children will be subjected to that intellectual bait-n-switch.

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SFLRN

They are not paid an exceptional amount of money because the craft has 1. a Large labor supply 2. Requires a limited amount of training 3. Works for 2/3rds of the year. and 4. Does not work that many hours close (compared to the most lucrative fields) 5. There have been a number of restrictions on pay implemented by administrations bending to union lobbying.
For this reason the very best teachers aren't necessarily paid the best, nor are the worst teachers fired. When strict wage policies are implemented it will be very hard for a school administrator to pay his best employees top dollar and to pay lower wages to his worst employees. If one could find a way to allow for more opportunity in teaching then it is possible there might be more incentive for teachers to perform than they already do. Primary and secondary teachers will also never garner the salaries of I-bankers and Corporate Lawyers because they do not endure nearly as much stress, work as many hours, or in the case of law, have to seek three more years of intense education.

Goldenboy219

Schools suck because now days because they are run in the same fashion as they were 90 years ago.

We have changed very much in that time, and the very structure of teaching as a whole has done little to keep up with it.

Another thing. Why should a disruptive student who doesnt want to be there in the first place be forced to disrupt that very institution on the basis of law???

Its the law, so we have to follow it. Should the law try to keep up with the changes of the society in which it was constructed to protect???

A_Wise_Fool

Are you talking about lack of women teachers because they may have more opportunities elsewhere is worsening schools? Or are you suggesting that there were 'smarter' women teachers back 'then' because most felt forced into teaching for they could not pursue more successful and sophisticated careers and thus would be overqualified for teaching?

What time period do you reference this "then and now" scenario in also? If the relatively same standards for teachers were enforced then and now I don't see why these seemingly 'smarter' women would be any smarter than women teachers today.

I think schools are worse now from overpopulation and poor distribution of funding, and the success rate is lowered because there is not enough discipline.


I think students who drop out of highschool should be drafted into the military.. There I said it. If they are literally going to put thousands of out taxdollars to waste then I'd say they should make up for it by serving. They would also at get the leadership, respect and discipline skills from the military in place of a successful education(probably what they needed for a successful education), which I think is a much better scenario than being considered just a highschool dropout the rest of their lives.

t125eagle

ok, you must obviously not be a teacher. 1. teachers are ALWAYS in demand. 2. limited amount of training? i guess 4 years is not a lot... but then again, most degrees that people get are 4 year degrees. and they get paid 40k a year starting off. lol. 3. ok, 2 months off, maybe close to 3. 4) at work before 8, leave at 4. if lucky.. then grade papers till 10 or 11. repeat 5 days.
5) not all teachers have unions on their side.

ok, for the paragraph. stress.... have you ever been in a room with kids and try and teach them. there are times that it is VERY stressful. i cant imagine being a banker to be very stressful. you sit on your butt all day and count money, but what do i know, im not a banker. but in the case of law, teachers are help accountable for a lot. IEP's, student safety, trends in education.

PoliticalGrrrl

Could you elaborate upon this?

I work in education and I'm a woman. So please explain further the point you are trying to get across.

As far as the person who mentioned something about limited amount of training...? A Masters degree isn't exactly what I'd call "limited training".

galenrox

I concur, my mom's got a masters in economics and a Ph.D. in education and she teaches at public school. There are a million reasons why public education sucks, but I'm mighty skeptical that this is one of them.

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talloulou

Actually there's some truth behind this. There use to be very few careers open to women and teaching was the one big one that was available. Unfortunately teachers don't make enough money so many smart women today will choose alternative careers. Many women who today become scientists, drs., ect would have probably been teachers in the past.

The flip side to that though would be that women teachers today have chosen to teach despite the low pay. They aren't teaching because it's one of the few opportunities available to them. They are doing it presumably because they love teaching.

I personally would rather have my child taught by a woman who loves teaching vs. a woman who'd rather be doing something else but can't because society has slammed doors.

I think teachers today have it harder than they did when mothers commonly stayed home.