Thread: "Liberal" college education

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

You said, "we need to keep up with the world". We do. We need to be at the top of innovation. That was my original point and talking about "pricing ourselves" out does not address this so before you start whining about me not addressing everything you said directly, why don't address what I said? Thanks!

Innovation and college are not all that much connected honestly.

I covered everything you said. You said, "college is overrated" which is your argument and I explained why you are wrong. If you want me to address the reasons you have for your false point, then okay.

You just said some generic crap that I covered and were unaware that I did.

Your argument is based on the incomplete premise that the demand for college is only based as how many people go. That's a false premise. It's true that employers will create jobs for the people entering the market. However, it's also true that our country is becoming more advanced and needs college educated people. If you think that cost in the problem, then we can find a way to deal with cost. But using cost as evidence that "a college degree is overrated" is nonsensical.

Tell me again since you didn't cover it, why college is needed more than it was in the past because of these "advancements"?

Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM

Because it is. The purpose of going to college is to learn skills to get a good career, but liberal professors with an agenda use it as a way to shove their radical beliefs down children's throats. They've abused it and ruined its original purpose.

I think the purpose of college depends on each individual. Some go to school so they can get a job in a specific field, some do it to learn about a specific field and other so they can learn a variety of things.

No, the notions of actual education and truth are what conservatives value, that's why we fear liberal colleges promoting myths and propaganda marketed under the false value of higher "education".

Without education people have a more difficult time at learning to think critically and analyze what they see in their world.

Higher education is for the most part a scam designed to raise money for the state..

Private colleges don't receive funds from state legislatures and rely heavily on tuition and private contributions, this makes private institutions more expensive.

Conservatives value real, practical education, common sense, and hard work. Liberals value paying for an overpriced piece of paper (diploma) and learning abstract knowledge that has no real world significance just so they can flaunt it and pretend it's an endorsement of intelligence.

I think Santorum is a pretty conservative guy and he has Bachelor of Arts in political science, Master of Business Administration and a Law degree, he even went to state school.
Newt Gingrich is pretty conservative as well. Bachelor of Arts History, Master of Arts Ph.D. Modern European history. He then went on to teach in a college.
Dick Cheney is pretty conservative and he received a Bachelor of Arts and a Master of Arts in political science.

Which one of these degrees is practical? That is two out of eight degrees. The rest are based on theory and speculation and are not aimed at any specific profession.

I just debunked his whole post

Yeah, you sure did.

While we need to push college? It is really a time in this country to start wanting some of our tax dollars to go towards stronger job based training programs that people out of high school can take at their local C.C. and their local employment offices. We need training programs set up in C.C. for whatever local industry exist in the area so that kids are able to come out of high school and can get trained on realistic jobs in their area.

Originally Posted by Kali

While we need to push college? It is really a time in this country to start wanting some of our tax dollars to go towards stronger job based training programs that people out of high school can take at their local C.C. and their local employment offices. We need training programs set up in C.C. for whatever local industry exist in the area so that kids are able to come out of high school and can get trained on realistic jobs in their area.

By "local C.C" do you mean Community College?

What type of education inspires liberal ideas?

A lot of academics in research may have more liberal beliefs based on their research or the research of academics. Say for example privatization of public services or privatization of prisons. It's completely idoleologically driven. It doesn't equal better service it doesn't equal cheaper services. In general privatization based on actual research is a horrible idea. That's one example that jumps out at me.

This is one of the biggest problems with modern conservatism. It's got to the point it's almost entirely ideologically driven and pragmatism or actual results of proposed policies have been ignored. There are probably a lot of academics who are conservative....go to church, have a lot of conservative beliefs but the party has left them waaaaay behind.

I abhor the fringes of both sides, Liberal and conservative.
Both if allowed, would lead to bad political places, and loose of freedoms.
Social conservatism could lead to a theocracy, limiting freedoms based on religion.
Social liberalism could lead to fascism, limiting freedom based on government controls.
Both sides would limit thoughts and ideas, as it would amount to heresy to question them.

If we could just create a system where only certain majors can get grant/loan money, we'd be so much better off.

If you want a "liberal arts" education, do it for free because the chances are excellent that you'd have to flip more burgers than you want to when it comes time to pay it off.

Originally Posted by Gipper

If we could just create a system where only certain majors can get grant/loan money, we'd be so much better off.

If you want a "liberal arts" education, do it for free because the chances are excellent that you'd have to flip more burgers than you want to when it comes time to pay it off.

Formula = some% of earnings of the average person in X major after Y years after graduating. Recalculated every year but award amounts are set for 4 years so the student can plan.

Its objective and has a high probability of loan repayment.

Originally Posted by megaprogman

Formula = some% of earnings of the average person in X major after Y years after graduating. Recalculated every year but award amounts are set for 4 years so the student can plan.

Its objective and has a high probability of loan repayment.

Yeah...I really like this idea. It makes sense. Universities have a stake in placing their graduates. Also class sizes would shrink or grow based on the demand in the job market.

Originally Posted by megaprogman

Formula = some% of earnings of the average person in X major after Y years after graduating. Recalculated every year but award amounts are set for 4 years so the student can plan.

It still punishes success. If you're a top prospect graduating with an engineering degree, you're getting bent over with a deal like that. Meanwhile, your African-American studies grad is chuckling at the spare change his education costs.