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A Recession Is Likely Building in the U.S.

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In the wake of the housing bubble that began imploding during the summer of 2006 and led to the onset of an intensifying credit drought beginning a year later, the U.S. economy was buffeted by increasing headwinds. Earlier this year, it appeared to have skirted a recession, but the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) has yet to make the final call on that. A fiscal stimulus package briefly revived economic growth during the Second Quarter of this year with real GDP expanding at an annualized 2.8% rate. However, a combination of elevated inflation and steep energy prices undermined economic growth. At the same time, the growing financial contagion spread into the broader financial sector and put the U.S. on the brink of a systemic financial crisis with a near panic taking place on September 17-18, 2008. Following the near panic, money markets grew even more dysfunctional and credit continued to dry up.

On September 24, Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke told the Joint Economic Committee, “Real economic activity in the second quarter appears to have been surprisingly resilient, but, more recently, economic activity appears to have decelerated broadly.” In the weeks ahead, one can likely expect to see increasing expectations among economists for a recession. According to research by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the consensus economic forecast typically lags turns in the business cycle but later forecasters make adjustments to “catch up with the reality of a recession.” Nevertheless, despite those adjustments, they “still underestimate the actual decline” that winds up taking place. Therefore, should a recession occur, that recession could wind up worse than what is envisioned in forthcoming consensus forecasts by economists.

That a recession is imminent, if not in already in its early stages is well-supported by the recent economic data. The latest macroeconomic data suggests that the U.S. economy is now deteriorating fairly significantly and rapidly. Even as the federal government is likely to enact legislation that would grant the Treasury authority to purchase up to $700 billion in troubled assets from the financial sector so as to revive credit market functioning, it is likely too late to prevent the development of a full-blown recession. The die has been cast and there will be a lag between Treasury action and credit market recovery. The confluence of recent data suggests that U.S. GDP growth in Q3 will be sharply lower than that of Q2 (2.8% annualized rate).

• U.S. petroleum consumption dropped to 19.021 million barrels per day for the four-week period ended September 26. That was the lowest figure since the four week period ended October 5, 2001 (toward the end of a recession) when the figure came to 18.985 million barrels per day. To put things into context, the economy in 2001 Q3 was 18.5% smaller than the economy today in real terms and 40.7% smaller in nominal terms. Since the four-week period ended August 29, average daily U.S. petroleum consumption has dropped 6.3%. Petroleum consumption is a broad measure of economic activity and the recent trends suggest a rapid weakening of the economy.

• The Institute for Supply Management’s manufacturing index fell from 49.9 in August to 43.5 in September. That was a 6.4% drop, which very closely mirrors the recent drop in petroleum consumption. The 43.5 figure was the lowest since October 2001. In addition, the prices index fell to its lowest level in 21 months, which suggested a rapid weakening of inflationary pressures, as often happens during economic contractions.

• August factory orders fell 4.0% vs. the 2.5%-3.0% decline forecast by most economists. That was the sharpest decline in two years. Worse, it occurred before the onset of what appeared to have been an accelerating decline in U.S. economic activity in September.

• This morning’s weekly jobless claims report showed jobless claims climbed to 497,000. That is the worst reading since September 29, 2001, when new jobless claims stood at 517,000. Rising unemployment will place added pressure on personal consumption expenditures (PCE). Real PCE presently account for approximately 71% of GDP. Real PCE recorded a negligible increase under 0.1% in August. A combination of recent petroleum consumption data, manufacturing activity, and the dissipating impact of the fiscal stimulus package suggest that real PCE likely contracted in September.

In sum, a recession appears imminent or in its early stages of unfolding. Given the recent data and continuing credit market difficulties, the likely remaining questions are:

• Did a recession commence in Q3 or Q4?
• How deep will the recession be?
• How long will the recession last?

Historic experience concerning credit contraction-driven recessions following the implosion of asset bubbles suggests something closer to the 1980 or 1981-82 recessions (2%-3% decline in real GDP from peak to trough) than the 1990-91 or 2001 recessions (0.5%-1.5% decline in real GDP from peak to trough) is more likely. An even worse outcome is possible should the credit crisis worsen further and/or a federal stabilization plan in the absence of efforts to reduce government spending in other areas lead to a slowdown in capital inflows into the U.S. In terms of duration, a recession of 12-18 months could be somewhat more likely than the 6-12 month variety the U.S. has experienced since 1990.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Therefore, should a recession occur, that recession could wind up worse than what is envisioned in forthcoming consensus forecasts by economists.

The Philadelphia Fed Survey of Professional Forecasters had this to say back in early August:

Growth in U.S. real output over the next few quarters looks slower now than it did just three months ago, according to 47 forecasters surveyed by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. This is the sixth survey, beginning with the survey of the second quarter of 2007, in which the outlook for growth appears weaker. In the current quarter, real GDP is expected to grow at an annual rate of 1.2 percent, down from the previous estimate of 1.7 percent. The largest downward revision (1.1 percentage points at an annual rate) is for the fourth quarter, when real GDP is projected to grow at an annual rate of 0.7 percent, down from the previous projection of 1.8 percent. The forecasters also reduced their estimates by 0.7 percentage point for growth in the first quarter of 2009 and by 0.4 percentage point for growth in the second quarter of 2009. Year over year, growth is expected to average 1.7 percent in 2008 and 1.5 percent in 2009. Previously, the forecasters expected growth of 1.5 percent this year and 2.2 percent in 2009.

The risk of 4Q GDP being negative was revised upward from 30% to 47%.

As early as August, forecasts of economic activity for the 4Q '08 and 1Q '09 were being lowered. Given the data (including that which you cited), it seems likely that forecasts will be revised downward even more.

Tomorrow's employment data should make for interesting reading and if sufficiently traumatic, may well set the stage for another round of rate cuts, perhaps even before the next scheduled FOMC meeting.
 
Having listened to those on the BDS-left for the last ~8 years, I have to ask:
When -weren't- we in a recession unber Bush?
 
With respect to the very likely onset of a recession, Bloomberg.com reported this morning following the worst decline in monthly payrolls in 5 1/2 years:

U.S. payrolls plunged in September, signaling the economy may be heading for its worst recession in at least a quarter century as the 13-month-old credit crisis on Wall Street finally hits home on Main Street.

Employers cut the most jobs in five years in September as cash-squeezed companies pulled back in an effort to bolster pinched profits. In its last employment report before Americans choose their next president, the Labor Department said the unemployment rate was 6.1 percent, a climb of 1.4 percentage points from a year before.

"If credit markets remain dysfunctional, the current recession could turn out to be as severe as any in the postwar period," said former Federal Reserve governor Lyle Gramley, now senior economic adviser at the Stanford Group Co. in Washington.
 
Here’s my contribution to the downer thread. Let us hope its only a recession/corecction, not the D word. :(

< 159,000 Jobs Lost in September, the Worst Month in Five Years
By PETER S. GOODMAN
Published: October 3, 2008
The American economy lost 159,000 jobs in September, the worst month of retrenchment in five years, the government reported on Friday, amplifying fears that an already painful downturn had entered a more severe stage that could persist well into next year.>
Employment has diminished for nine consecutive months, eliminating 760,000 jobs, according to the Labor Department’s report. And that does not count the traumatic events of recent weeks, as a string of Wall Street institutions collapsed, prompting the $700 billion emergency rescue package approved by Congress on Friday.>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/business/economy/04jobs.html
 
Blah. We are already in a recession, heading towards a depression. The latest federal bail-out was so full of pork, which the taxpayers will eventually pay for, that the bailout is not that good of a thing. :shock:

The stock market is still falling, the housing crisis is worsening, banks are continuing to fail, gas shortages are now appearing in parts of the U.S. Southeast, 159,000 jobs were lost in September, for a total of approx. 750,000 for the year thus far.

What more needs to happen? What more will happen?
 
America is in a recession...it needs to prepare now for the onslaught of a depression. The signs are evident over the last several years and now there is an additional 700 Billion for a bailout...total of 10 trillion USD! The debt on every American is astronomical and is a tough nut to crack to pay down even if the economy is booming. America could do a 2nd round of FDR chicanery but should not be recommended as very few of his programs were ever reversed after prosperty but often even increased! An example is the antiquated socialist style Social Security System. Presently the hard earned dollars you put in are not set aside strictly for yourself or your next of kin and are instead used collectively. Very few American's ever see the total value of the money they have put in, and with interest, even a moderate amount monthly for many would be equated to well over a million dollars at the time of retirement. The examples go on on. The best of FDR's programs were the "make work" projects. At least in this case those receiving benefits from the State have the ability to repay the taxpayers kind enough to put out a helping hand.

Beyond that the very best is to slash and burn. Not 10 or 20% but over 50% of the money spent on the Government could be done away with along with the programs they support. Taxes should be concurrently reduced. This includes the supposed rich. The fact that being successful is penalized is still striking to me. They get no special privledges, no extra votes, but yet they personally carry a far greater and disproportionate amount of the burden. Taxes should never be on personal income tax anyway but in this case every person under a predefined poverty income should pay no tax with everyone else paying a flat, per head, tax. In this way whether you make 100,000 or 100 million dollars the tax system would be finally fair. On the other hand I would give greater tax advantages to companies that provide work for the needy and handicapped or give preferential treatment to smaller businesses on their awarding of contracts. Completely STOP any more type of foreign aid unless it is tied to economic development plans like China is doing in Africa where direct benefits can be seen. Dramatically reduce money spent on the UN and reduce the armed forces to an elite "Home Guard" posture able to defend any and all parts of the United States. The list goes on and on but there are many ways to do it. The bottom line is that the US government and nation survived and thrived for the first 150 years and somehow people have swallowed the completely false notion developed over the last 50 years that the country will go bankrupt without ever increasing taxes. If you keep adding programs that require additional funds then naturally you have to find the funds. For too long it was simple...the American taxpayer was handed the bill as if it was a right of the government to take it from you rather than a privledge you offered them that could be taken away at a moments notice. That moment is now...take it away!
 
We are already in a recession, heading towards a depression.

I don't believe the U.S. is headed for depression. A fairly significant recession appears likely.

Such a recession would probably entail:

• A contraction in real GDP from peak to trough of 2%-3%.
• A recession that lasts 12-18 months vs. the 8-month recessions since 1990.
• An unemployment rate that peaks in the 8%-10% range.
• A unwinding of perhaps 75% or more of the annual U.S. trade deficit (approximately $60 billion per month in the January-July 2008 timeframe), with the annual trade deficit falling to or below $175 billion. It would not be implausible if the entire trade deficit disappeared by the end of the recession, especially if the recession proved even more severe.

If the U.S. is to experience a depression, two likely triggers would include a collapse of its financial system (reduced risk on account of the financial rescue package) or a currency crisis (should major foreign creditors cease lending or even try to reduce their holdings of U.S. debt), as has occurred in some financial situations following the implosion of major asset bubbles.

The latest federal bail-out was so full of pork, which the taxpayers will eventually pay for...

I would have preferred a "clean" bill that focused strictly on the financial system (rescue package, FDIC insurance, etc.). The provisions that have little to do with the financial system should have been excluded from the bill. Unfortunately, they were part of the price required to bring about Congressional agreement on the legislation.
 
I don't hear anyone talking about the CRA. When are they going to repeal the crap legislation that's been slowly killing the housing market for 30 years. I know many around here want to blame deregulation or some other thing, but all indications point to the CRA (especially the 1995 modification).
 
This article might also help further clear up the confusion between a recession and a depression.
The difference between a depression and a recession. - By Juliet Lapidos - Slate Magazine (although it should be noted that academic economists do not have a widely agreed upon definition of what constitutes a hard recession, and a depression).

Recession: I’ll know that we’re in one when sales of my Sniper Flash Cards go down because people can’t afford the thirty dollars. See Depression.

Depression: I’ll know that we’re in one when sales of my Sniper Flash Cards go up because there is fighting in the streets. See Recession.

And, on a somewhat related topic:

Contraction: When working-class people are buying gold coins to put under their mattresses and the Federal Reserve is lowering interest rates to bail out fat-cat bankers. See Crash.

Crash: When working-class people are pawning gold coins to feed their families and the Federal Reserve is raising interest rates to defend the dollar, even as ruined bankers are jumping out of their office windows for want of the low-interest-rate loans that would have saved them. See Contraction.

Source: The Devil's Dictionary of Economics.
 
I don't hear anyone talking about the CRA. When are they going to repeal the crap legislation that's been slowly killing the housing market for 30 years. I know many around here want to blame deregulation or some other thing, but all indications point to the CRA (especially the 1995 modification).
Most of the banks that were regulated by the CRA were not the one's handing out these loans. In all likelihood it was Federal Reserve policy, the subsidies given to banks to help make housing available for low income individuals, the concentration of power in the mortgage market (Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae held an exceptionally large share of the market for mortgages, which was partially due it being backed by the government)), and accounting fraud that overstated earnings, further fueling the notion that these securitized debt packages were entirely sound. Obviously, a recession from these securitized mortgages would have likely happened without all the aforementioned government interventions, but the severity would likely have been less than what we are likely to face in the near future.
 
Weekly Petroleum Status Report: A recession is coming hard and fast...

This morning’s Weekly Petroleum Status Report highlighted a rapidly deteriorating economy. U.S. petroleum consumption for the four week period ended October 3, 2008 came to 18.660 million barrels per day. That is the lowest figure since the four week period ended June 4, 1999 when the U.S. consumed a daily average of 18.570 million barrels. The economy today is 55.8% larger than that of the second quarter of 1999 in nominal terms. In real or after-inflation terms, today’s economy is 24.9% larger.

Even more revealing than the level of daily petroleum consumption is the magnitude of the collapse in consumption that has occurred in recent weeks. Since the four-week period ended September 5, 2008, daily oil consumption has fallen 1.485 million barrels or 7.4%. Since the four week period ended August 29, 2008, daily consumption has fallen by 1.632 million barrels or 8.0%.

That sharp decline occurred in spite of a nearly 40% decline in the price of crude oil since oil prices peaked in July. To put things into context, U.S. petroleum consumption declined 3.8% during the August 2007-July 2008 timeframe when the crude oil price more than doubled.
 
Since it is all built on illusion, I am surprised that people are surprised when it becomes inflated, and subsequently fails... :shock:
 
I don't hear anyone talking about the CRA. When are they going to repeal the crap legislation that's been slowly killing the housing market for 30 years. I know many around here want to blame deregulation or some other thing, but all indications point to the CRA (especially the 1995 modification).

You don't hear anyone talking about the CRA because there is little to any empirical evidence to suggest that it has anything to do with the current crisis.

This is a worldwide crisis (CRA is America only you know), the only nations that are even remotely fairing well in it are nations that did not deregulate as heavily as we have. Especially nations that did not have completely unregulated derivatives markets. When the world's strongest banking system is now in Canada, that should tell you something.
 
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You don't hear anyone talking about the CRA because there is little to any empirical evidence to suggest that it has anything to do with the current crisis.
This is a worldwide crisis (CRA is America only you know), the only nations that are even remotely fairing well in it are nations that did not deregulate as heavily as we have. Especially nations that did not have completely unregulated derivatives markets. When the world's strongest banking system is now in Canada, that should tell you something.
We didn't deregulate (on the whole). We selectively enforced certain regulations. On the whole more regulations were added to the Federal Register than removed.
 
Evidence that the U.S. has entered a significant recession mounted this morning.

• Consistent with a decline in economic activity, the September consumer price index registered no change. In August, the headline figure fell 0.1%. Core inflation continued to slow falling from 0.3% increase in July to 0.2% in August and 0.1% in September.

• Industrial production plunged 2.8% in September. Hurricanes Gustav and Ike and a strike at Boeing had some impact, but there was noted slowing of such activity. Capacity utilization also fell to 76.4% from August’s 78.7%.

• The Philadelphia Federal Reserve’s Business Outlook Survey for the Mid-Atlantic region reported that manufacturing activity decreased from 3.8 in September to -37.5 in October. That was that gauge’s largest monthly decline on record. In addition “other broad indicators were sharply lower,” including the employment index.

In a special question concerning the credit market turmoil, the survey reported:

Nearly 14 percent of the polled firms indicated that they had experienced problems obtaining credit to finance ongoing activities over the past month; however, a larger percentage of firms (30 percent) indicated that their customers were having such problems. About 18 percent of the firms said the credit problems had affected their own levels of production, and 6 percent reported that adverse conditions had influenced inventory levels.

• The Energy Information Administration’s Weekly Petroleum Status Report for the four-week period ended October 10, 2008 showed a further drop in U.S. petroleum consumption. U.S. consumption averaged 18.614 million barrels per day. That is its lowest rate of consumption since the four-week period ended June 4, 1999 when the U.S. used an average of 18.570 million barrels per day. The economy today is 55.8% larger in nominal terms and 24.9% larger in real terms than it was during 1999 Q2. Since the four-week period ended August 29, 2008, average daily U.S. petroleum consumption has fallen 8.3%. As a result of the markedly reduced consumption of petroleum, the nation’s crude oil inventories rose 5.6 million barrels and its gasoline stocks rose 7.0 million barrels. In response to the report, the price of crude oil dipped below $70 per barrel by 11:10 am.
 
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In its latest assessment of economic activity, the Conference Board estimated that the U.S. unemployment rate could rise to 9%. CNBC reported:

...with nearly every component but the money supply in decline, the Conference Board said unemployment could rise to 9 percent from 7.2 percent as the country remains in an intense recession through spring...

"As we move into the new year, the big question is whether conditions will worsen further," said the research group's economist Ken Goldstein in a statement on Monday. "The Conference Board's indicators suggest we'll still be in an intense recession through the Spring."

"Expect declines in output and employment over the next several quarters, with unemployment possibly rising to 9%," Goldstein added.
 
In the wake of the housing bubble that began imploding during the summer of 2006 and led to the onset of an intensifying credit drought beginning a year later, the U.S. economy was buffeted by increasing headwinds. Earlier this year, it appeared to have skirted a recession, but the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) has yet to make the final call on that. A fiscal stimulus package briefly revived economic growth during the Second Quarter of this year with real GDP expanding at an annualized 2.8% rate. However, a combination of elevated inflation and steep energy prices undermined economic growth. At the same time, the growing financial contagion spread into the broader financial sector and put the U.S. on the brink of a systemic financial crisis with a near panic taking place on September 17-18, 2008. Following the near panic, money markets grew even more dysfunctional and credit continued to dry up.

On September 24, Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke told the Joint Economic Committee, “Real economic activity in the second quarter appears to have been surprisingly resilient, but, more recently, economic activity appears to have decelerated broadly.” In the weeks ahead, one can likely expect to see increasing expectations among economists for a recession. According to research by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the consensus economic forecast typically lags turns in the business cycle but later forecasters make adjustments to “catch up with the reality of a recession.” Nevertheless, despite those adjustments, they “still underestimate the actual decline” that winds up taking place. Therefore, should a recession occur, that recession could wind up worse than what is envisioned in forthcoming consensus forecasts by economists.

That a recession is imminent, if not in already in its early stages is well-supported by the recent economic data. The latest macroeconomic data suggests that the U.S. economy is now deteriorating fairly significantly and rapidly. Even as the federal government is likely to enact legislation that would grant the Treasury authority to purchase up to $700 billion in troubled assets from the financial sector so as to revive credit market functioning, it is likely too late to prevent the development of a full-blown recession. The die has been cast and there will be a lag between Treasury action and credit market recovery. The confluence of recent data suggests that U.S. GDP growth in Q3 will be sharply lower than that of Q2 (2.8% annualized rate).

• U.S. petroleum consumption dropped to 19.021 million barrels per day for the four-week period ended September 26. That was the lowest figure since the four week period ended October 5, 2001 (toward the end of a recession) when the figure came to 18.985 million barrels per day. To put things into context, the economy in 2001 Q3 was 18.5% smaller than the economy today in real terms and 40.7% smaller in nominal terms. Since the four-week period ended August 29, average daily U.S. petroleum consumption has dropped 6.3%. Petroleum consumption is a broad measure of economic activity and the recent trends suggest a rapid weakening of the economy.

• The Institute for Supply Management’s manufacturing index fell from 49.9 in August to 43.5 in September. That was a 6.4% drop, which very closely mirrors the recent drop in petroleum consumption. The 43.5 figure was the lowest since October 2001. In addition, the prices index fell to its lowest level in 21 months, which suggested a rapid weakening of inflationary pressures, as often happens during economic contractions.

• August factory orders fell 4.0% vs. the 2.5%-3.0% decline forecast by most economists. That was the sharpest decline in two years. Worse, it occurred before the onset of what appeared to have been an accelerating decline in U.S. economic activity in September.

• This morning’s weekly jobless claims report showed jobless claims climbed to 497,000. That is the worst reading since September 29, 2001, when new jobless claims stood at 517,000. Rising unemployment will place added pressure on personal consumption expenditures (PCE). Real PCE presently account for approximately 71% of GDP. Real PCE recorded a negligible increase under 0.1% in August. A combination of recent petroleum consumption data, manufacturing activity, and the dissipating impact of the fiscal stimulus package suggest that real PCE likely contracted in September.

In sum, a recession appears imminent or in its early stages of unfolding. Given the recent data and continuing credit market difficulties, the likely remaining questions are:

• Did a recession commence in Q3 or Q4?
• How deep will the recession be?
• How long will the recession last?

Historic experience concerning credit contraction-driven recessions following the implosion of asset bubbles suggests something closer to the 1980 or 1981-82 recessions (2%-3% decline in real GDP from peak to trough) than the 1990-91 or 2001 recessions (0.5%-1.5% decline in real GDP from peak to trough) is more likely. An even worse outcome is possible should the credit crisis worsen further and/or a federal stabilization plan in the absence of efforts to reduce government spending in other areas lead to a slowdown in capital inflows into the U.S. In terms of duration, a recession of 12-18 months could be somewhat more likely than the 6-12 month variety the U.S. has experienced since 1990.

:yt.................;)
 
The massive amounts of fictitious capital invested are going to exacerbate the extent of this crisis profoundly, which is why we are seeing such a crisis manifest itself first and foremost in these large financial institutions. This is going to get very bad for many.

It is in the economic crises that the contradiction between the progressive socialization of production and the private appropriation which serves as its driving power and its support, breaks out in the most extraordinary way. For capitalist economic crises are incredible phenomena like nothing ever seen before. They are not crises of scarcity, like all pre-capitalist crises; they are crises of overproduction. The unemployed die of hunger not because there is too little to eat but because there is relatively too great a supply of foodstuffs.

At first sight the thing seems incomprehensible. How can anyone die because there is a surplus of food, because there is a surplus of goods? But the mechanism of the capitalist system makes this seeming paradox understandable. Goods which do not find buyers not only do not realize their surplus value but they do not even return their invested capital. The slump in sales therefore forces businessmen to suspend their operations. They are therefore forced to lay off their workers and since the laid-off workers have no reserves, since they can subsist only when they are selling their labor-power, unemployment obviously condemns them to the starkest poverty and precisely because the relative abundance of goods has resulted in a slump in sales.

The factor of periodic economic crises is inherent in the capitalist system and remains insurmountable. We shall see further on that this remains equally true in the neocapitalist regime in which we are now living, even if these crises are now called “recessions.” Crises are the clearest manifestation of the fundamental contradiction in the system and a periodic reminder that it is condemned to die sooner or later.
-Ernest Mandel
 
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probably wrong
but i seem to recall hearing taht since this past September the money supply has increased 70%

need money? just print that **** up. America ****ing Rules !!!!
 
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