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Old 09-20-08, 01:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: The Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac debacle is Barney Franks fault

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How is it the Democrats fault that the Govt is bailing out huge companies that have operated in the past 8 years in unregulated environments, and that the government has allowed to grow so huge that it can't afford to let them fail?
It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage) via their extensive lobbying and gift giving to influential congresspersons (on both sides). Let's not also forget the subsidies handed out by the federal government to companies to help provide low-income families with housing, encouraging more risk taking. It was a bubble, and the over-invesment was worsened by government (and aided by their inability to enforce current accounting standards).
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It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage) via their extensive lobbying and gift giving to influential congresspersons (on both sides). Let's not also forget the subsidies handed out by the federal government to companies to help provide low-income families with housing, encouraging more risk taking. It was a bubble, and the over-invesment was worsened by government (and aided by their inability to enforce current accounting standards).
Um, sorry, no, but "proper accounting standards" had nothing to do with it.

Let's put aside, for just a moment, that banks are allowed to commit fraud every day that they're in business.

In 2001, Alan Greenspan told the banks (to paraphrase) that they were not loaning enough money to enough customers, and that they needed to get off their asses and find new ways to loan loan loan.

Now, when the chairman of the Federal Reserve tells the banks to take additional risk, the implication is that the Fed and the federal government will be there to catch the banks when they fall.

The bad mortgages were variable-rate loans with a very low opening interest rate sold to people with insufficient or incorrectly reported incomes which were not properly vetted before the deal was closed. Subsequently, either the loan was never affordable for them in the initial stages, or it became unaffordable when the interest rate got jacked up.

Meanwhile, lots of big boys bought up securities backed by these mortgages because they were rated AAA. They were rated AAA because the banks selling the securities wouldn't pay the ratings house for rating the securities until after the security sold.

Lots of them, like General Electric, have since been forced to post billions of dollars in losses because of the self-desctruction of the AAA securities they bought for a safe place to put their excess profits.


Now, if you're like me, and you do business with a small-town bank, you might be wondering why they seem to be more stable in the midst of this crisis than, say, the gigantic investment banks tanking on Wall Street, or the bigger deposit banks or S&Ls.

The answer is really quite simple.

The Federal Reserve, the FDIC, and Congress only reach out to "save" the big boys. They have to have tens of billions of dollars on the balance sheet before anybody can, with a straight face, make the argument to the authorities that their collapse would threaten the economy and thus be a national security risk.

The "national security risk" claim, by the way, is nothing new. That one's been getting thrown around with regards to potential bank collapses which "required" government intervention for decades now.

Anyway, the small banks get no such consideration because they don't have enough assets to make waves when they go down. If a small bank collapses, the FDIC pays out the minimum required by law to the depositors and retirement account holders, and lets everything else fall by the wayside.

If you're someone like J.P. Morgan-Chase, however, when you're about to collapse the FDIC, the Fed, and Congress all line up to throw money at you until you're back on solid footing again.


This has nothing to do with accounting practices, and everything to do with a financial system rigged to benefit the big boys on the backs of the little boys and the taxpayers.

It's as simple as that.
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It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage)
I don't agree with this at all. Write downs of the level 3s were occurring almost immediately after the housing market went bad. There was bad times a stewing at the investment houses well before the average person got wind of it. Citi went out to find a sovereign wealth fund to shore up their balance sheet relatively early in the crisis.

What is more of an issue was that rating agencies were sellings rates, you could buy whatever rating for your product that you wanted, similar to how in 1999 you could buy an audit. How S&P and Moody's haven't been shutdown or fined yet amazes me.
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You just sit there and ponder the blatant partisanship you just made. I'll talk about the real issue, corruption of both the FED and the treasury.
Talk about whatever you want. Maybe someone with knowledge can address my point.
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Even more reason to question why someone would attempt to blame him for this, which was my point all along.
I agree with your point. I simply pointed out the error in the claim he took the chair in 2006.
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It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage) via their extensive lobbying and gift giving to influential congresspersons (on both sides). Let's not also forget the subsidies handed out by the federal government to companies to help provide low-income families with housing, encouraging more risk taking. It was a bubble, and the over-invesment was worsened by government (and aided by their inability to enforce current accounting standards).
That could be part; an argument can also be made that it was systematic which had developed in which the risk for bad mortgages was passed from the folks making the mortgage (brokers) to the folks buying them (ie financial institutions). The brokers had no incentive to make good loans; they got their fee and sold the mortgage. The financial institutions made a lot of money on them short term; no one considered the long term ramifications.
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I agree with your point. I simply pointed out the error in the claim he took the chair in 2006.
I don't know where I got 2006. I read his bio prior to posting about it too, so I screwed up.

I immediately went back to my browser history to rub the article in your face.
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How many piece of legislation that would have halted this situation did Democrats oppose?
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Re: The Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac debacle is Barney Franks fault

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No, That's not what is listed in his bio.

I became Chairman of the Committee on Financial Services in January, 2007.

Congressman Barney Frank - MA-04

My point is you are wrong saying he was chair in 2006.
Fair enough, you pointed out when Barney took over the chair. Perhaps you'd like to address Barney's assesment of the situation here:

"These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Rep. Barney Frank, then ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

When McCain was saying this two years earlier:

"If Congress does not act," McCain said in 2005, "American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole."

Bottom line, Barney Frank dropped the ball. McCain & Bush were calling for intervention before Frank even took over the committee, and Frank still did nothing.

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Apparently Dodd, Frank, Clinton, Rangel and other Democrats grew fat on FM/FM donations. Why would they reign in the golden goose?
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