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Old 07-14-08, 06:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So, theres NO RECESSION, no DEPRESSION? Stop LYING to yourself!

Heres the proof of the start:
In Pasedena today there is a run on the banks with people trying to get their money out but they can ONLY get up to $100,000 after that its ***FIFTY CENTS*** on the dollar and the F.D.I.C. says there are ***NINETY*** similar banks in this situation!!!
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People are panicking standing in long lines to get whatever they have in these banks OUT before they go under!!!
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HELLO bush, HELLO RECESSION, HELLO DEPRESSION!!!
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BYE BYE U.S.A.!!!
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Re: So, theres NO RECESSION, no DEPRESSION? Stop LYING to yourself!

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Heres the proof of the start:
In Pasedena today there is a run on the banks with people trying to get their money out but they can ONLY get up to $100,000 after that its ***FIFTY CENTS*** on the dollar and the F.D.I.C. says there are ***NINETY*** similar banks in this situation!!!
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People are panicking standing in long lines to get whatever they have in these banks OUT before they go under!!!
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HELLO bush, HELLO RECESSION, HELLO DEPRESSION!!!
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BYE BYE U.S.A.!!!
Source? The paper? A magazine? A newsletter? A website? Where's the article?
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Re: So, theres NO RECESSION, no DEPRESSION? Stop LYING to yourself!

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I believe he is referring to IndyMac, which was taken over by the FDIC on Friday. Only uninsured depositors may not receive full payment for their bank deposits. Right now, the FDIC is planning to provide an advance payment of 50% of uninsured deposits, though that figure could be increased based on how the bank's assets are resolved.

It should be noted that Senator Chuck Schumer's publicizing a letter he wrote to regulators sparked the run on that bank.

News stories following the release of Senator Schumer's worries highlighted the link between his letter and a run by depositors.

For example, the July 1, 2008 edition of the Los Angeles Times reported:

Battling rumors that it may collapse, Pasadena-based IndyMac Bancorp acknowledged Monday that its financial position had deteriorated but described the fears as overblown and said it was working with regulators to improve its "safety and soundness."

IndyMac, a national home lender burned by the mortgage meltdown, went public after depositors lined up at San Gabriel Valley branches starting Friday to pull out their money. Striving to reassure them, the thrift said nearly all their deposits were insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp...

The concerns were triggered by Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, who said in public letters to the FDIC and other bank regulators Thursday that IndyMac "could face a failure if prescriptive measures are not taken quickly." IndyMac said Monday that Schumer had created the "wrong impression" about the savings and loan's risks.


Source: E. Scott Reckard and Andrea Chang, "IndyMac denies it is near failure," Los Angeles Times, July 1, 2008.

Although I believe Senator Schumer was justified in writing the letters to various bank regulators, he most definitely should not have made their contents public. In doing so, he reinforced depositors' anxiety and precipitated the panic that, at a minimum, hastened IndyMac's failure. All said, I believe Senator Schumer exercised extremely poor judgment in publicly broadcasting his concerns at a time when prevailing marketplace sentiments had created a heightened risk of a run on the bank for which the capital buffer was already very thin.
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Lightdemon,

I believe he is referring to IndyMac, which was taken over by the FDIC on Friday. Only uninsured depositors may not receive full payment for their bank deposits. Right now, the FDIC is planning to provide an advance payment of 50% of uninsured deposits, though that figure could be increased based on how the bank's assets are resolved.

It should be noted that Senator Chuck Schumer's publicizing a letter he wrote to regulators sparked the run on that bank.

News stories following the release of Senator Schumer's worries highlighted the link between his letter and a run by depositors.

For example, the July 1, 2008 edition of the Los Angeles Times reported:

Battling rumors that it may collapse, Pasadena-based IndyMac Bancorp acknowledged Monday that its financial position had deteriorated but described the fears as overblown and said it was working with regulators to improve its "safety and soundness."

IndyMac, a national home lender burned by the mortgage meltdown, went public after depositors lined up at San Gabriel Valley branches starting Friday to pull out their money. Striving to reassure them, the thrift said nearly all their deposits were insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp...

The concerns were triggered by Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, who said in public letters to the FDIC and other bank regulators Thursday that IndyMac "could face a failure if prescriptive measures are not taken quickly." IndyMac said Monday that Schumer had created the "wrong impression" about the savings and loan's risks.


Source: E. Scott Reckard and Andrea Chang, "IndyMac denies it is near failure," Los Angeles Times, July 1, 2008.

Although I believe Senator Schumer was justified in writing the letters to various bank regulators, he most definitely should not have made their contents public. In doing so, he reinforced depositors' anxiety and precipitated the panic that, at a minimum, hastened IndyMac's failure. All said, I believe Senator Schumer exercised extremely poor judgment in publicly broadcasting his concerns at a time when prevailing marketplace sentiments had created a heightened risk of a run on the bank for which the capital buffer was already very thin.
The FDIC's whole purpose was to restore confidence in American banks back in the 30's.

Even if IndyMac were to collapse, people shouldn't have had to worry if they didn't have more than $100,000 (or has it changed since?) in thier savings. Or at least I assume that most Americans do not have that much in thier savings, and not all in one bank either.

What's gotten people so afraid that they're not even going to trust in the FDIC? Histeria?
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What's gotten people so afraid that they're not even going to trust in the FDIC? Histeria?
At least at this point in time, there is little reason for people to not have confidence in the FDIC. For now, even as the U.S. is likely in the very early stages of a cycle that will witness numerous bank failures, the FDIC is well-positioned. There is no need for panic.
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Re: So, theres NO RECESSION, no DEPRESSION? OH YES THERE IS!

There is a pragmatic issue though. Because the FDIC insurance limitation has not changed with inflation over several decades, many people at IndyMac were caught with more than $100,000 in their accounts. It is virtually a requirement now to have at least $500,000 just to retire with a modest lifestyle. Many older people easily have more than the current FDIC guaranty in savings.

Technically speaking, the people who lost life earnings as a result of the bank collapse can only blame themselves for not distributing their money in several accounts. But is it reasonable to expect people to know to do that, especially when no one has heard of such a bank collapse in recent memory? Moreover, how efficient is it to have a spam of account statements every month because you need five or more accounts to stay safe?

Some brokerage accounts are covered by a SPIC guaranty of $500,000, but I doubt many people know which, and many more are strangers to anything other than bank CDs and think of brokerage accounts as risky places to park their money.

Many of the people making a the run on the bank were not worried about the portion of their money insured by the FDIC, it was the uninsured part they were agonizing about.
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Heres the proof of the start:
In Pasedena today there is a run on the banks with people trying to get their money out but they can ONLY get up to $100,000 after that its ***FIFTY CENTS*** on the dollar and the F.D.I.C. says there are ***NINETY*** similar banks in this situation!!!
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People are panicking standing in long lines to get whatever they have in these banks OUT before they go under!!!
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HELLO bush, HELLO RECESSION, HELLO DEPRESSION!!!
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BYE BYE U.S.A.!!!
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Re: So, theres NO RECESSION, no DEPRESSION? OH YES THERE IS!

Also, I want to clarify the FDIC insurance only covers $100,000 per customer within a particular bank, not per account. If you have more than $100,000 you have to distribute the surplus among several different banks, not just make several accounts within the same bank. Is it it realistic to expect that from people?
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Also, I want to clarify the FDIC insurance only covers $100,000 per customer within a particular bank, not per account. If you have more than $100,000 you have to distribute the surplus among several different banks, not just make several accounts within the same bank. Is it it realistic to expect that from people?
That's exactly what they should do. Put it in different banks.
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Heres the proof of the start:
In Pasedena today there is a run on the banks with people trying to get their money out but they can ONLY get up to $100,000 after that its ***FIFTY CENTS*** on the dollar and the F.D.I.C. says there are ***NINETY*** similar banks in this situation!!!
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People are panicking standing in long lines to get whatever they have in these banks OUT before they go under!!!
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HELLO bush, HELLO RECESSION, HELLO DEPRESSION!!!
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BYE BYE U.S.A.!!!
In other words, you don't know what a recession or a depression is.

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