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Old 07-06-08, 01:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Normally, I would err on the side of lesser regulation. However, in the case of energy in which the U.S., among other nations, has made very little progress in crafting a coherent and credible policy (both on the supply- and demand-sides), the sad thing is that redundancy may offer the best prospect that necessary adjustments take place.

I do not see a gas or broader energy tax (even if the proceeds were used to finance energy-releated R&D or reduce income tax rates/provide a tax rebate, etc.) as advocated by some economists, including Gary Becker, Martin Feldstein, and Joseph Stiglitz, and former Federal Reserve Chairmen Paul Volcker and Alan Greenspan, being politically feasible in the current environment. Hence, if gasoline prices fall markedly, there would be danger that efforts to increase economic efficiency with respect to fuel consumption might well slow.
Pragmatically speaking oil prices aren't going to go down until we get off of oil, cause Chinese and Indian demand isn't going anywhere nor is the political instability in the middle east. I like the idea of a gas tax, albeit it would do a whole hell of a lot more good aimed towards balancing the budget rather than on R+D, which would inevitably stifle certain aspects of entrepreneurship, but I agree it's not politically feasible. And once that's taken into account, the sole effect is bureaucracy and redundancy, it only makes things worse. That's just the way I see it at least.
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The problem is that the market is reactive instead of proactive.
It is reactive to demand which is proactive when it needs to be, there is no problem.
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It is reactive to demand
Thus ensuring market failure and the need for regulation
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Somehow it always seem to come back to the inherent "game-breaking" flaw in our system of allowing artificial persons to lobby our govt. Instead they should be forced to lobby the electorate at large and have the electorate lobby the govt. A lot less bull**** would sneak in and fly.
But it's not really those artificial persons who are lobbying the government, it's Joe Lobbyist, acting on behalf of XYZ Corp. I just don't know how we could close that loophole.

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Why is one of the most powerful lobbies in DC a lobby for a foreign country?
Not that I think it's a good thing, but why shouldn't it be? It makes sense.
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But it's not really those artificial persons who are lobbying the government, it's Joe Lobbyist, acting on behalf of XYZ Corp. I just don't know how we could close that loophole.
When Joe Lobbyist act as an agent of XYZ corp he is essentially XYZ corp. This is an already established principle

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Not that I think it's a good thing, but why shouldn't it be? It makes sense.
Our govt should be serving the needs of Americans, not foreigners imho
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Our govt should be serving the needs of Americans, not foreigners imho
They should be serving the interests of optimality. You're encouraging the disease of economic nationalism
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When Joe Lobbyist act as an agent of XYZ corp he is essentially XYZ corp. This is an already established principle
But my point is that I don't know how we could get around that. Say you run a small business and want to get your congressman to vote one way on a bill that could put your plant out of business. If you go to DC and lobby him, you're lobbying on behalf of your business. Should that be barred?

I don't know how it would be possible to ban that without completely going against what the founders intended.

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Our govt should be serving the needs of Americans, not foreigners imho
But Americans have many needs and desires, such as improved relations with foreign countries. If Irish Americans believe that the US should take a firmer stance against the IRA or if Tibetan Americans believe that the US should limit trade with China, why should those people not be permitted to lobby their government for those outcomes?
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Our govt should be serving the needs of Americans, not foreigners imho
Yes, we should be self sufficient as much as possible and then trading with our immediate neighbors makes more sense than trading around the world just to enrich a few greedy corporate types.
I am all for economic nationalism. Taking care of home needs first sounds good to me.
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Yes, we should be self sufficient as much as possible and then trading with our immediate neighbors makes more sense than trading around the world just to enrich a few greedy corporate types.
Would you prefer to pay $1200 for a crappy Mexivox flat screen or $800 for a nice Sony one?
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I am all for economic nationalism.
And that will guarantee irrational policy
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