An interesting pro-Conservative emailer about tax.

John1234 · 07-04-08, 09:27 AM

I think that this is worth reading for both sides.
I am anti Conservative mostly. But this little piece makes a pretty good point on the tax issues.

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How many zeros in a billion?
This is too true to be funny.

The next time you hear a politician use the
word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about lt; whether you want the politicians' spending YOUR tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,
but one advertising agency did a good job of
putting that figure into some perspective in
one of it's releases.

A.
A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

B.
A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

C.
A billion hours ago our ancestors were
living in the Stone Age.

D.
A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

E.
A billion dollars ago was only
8 hours and 20 minutes,
at the rate our government
is spending it.
While this thought is still fresh in our brain...
let's take a look at New Orleans ....
It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.

Louisiana Senator,
Mary Landrieu (D)
is presently askingCongressfor
250 BILLION DOLLARS
to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number...
what does it mean?

A.
Well... if you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans
(every man, woman, and child)
youeachget$516,528.

B.
Or... if you have one of the 188,251 homes in
New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.

C.
Or... if you are a family of four...
your family gets
$2,066,012.

Washington, D.C
<HELLO!>
Are all your calculators broken??

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment
Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and L ocal Tax
Telephone Usage ChargeTax
Utility Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt...
We had the largest middle class in the world...
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What happened?
Can you spell
'politicians!'

And I still have to
press '1'
for English.

Scucca · 07-04-08, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by John1234

I think that this is worth reading for both sides.
I am anti Conservative mostly. But this little piece makes a pretty good point on the tax issues.

I must have missed the "pretty good point on the tax issues". Could you spell it out? Perhaps with some right wing analysis into optimal taxation?

Goldenboy219 · 07-04-08, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

I must have missed the "pretty good point on the tax issues". Could you spell it out? Perhaps with some right wing analysis into optimal taxation?

Ummm... Maybe the point is there is to much spending as well as to many taxes.

Wait, yes that's it!

Scucca · 07-04-08, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldenboy219

Ummm... Maybe the point is there is to much spending as well as to many taxes.

Wait, yes that's it!

That knuckle dragging is a "pretty good point on the tax issues"? Crikey, you right wingers set your sights oh so low.

Why don't you entertain economics? What are you using for "too much spending"? Some reference to public good provision? And where is the tax analysis? You'd need to refer to market distortions (and of course, given the theory of the second best, more taxes can reduce distortions).

Lets have a proper "pretty good point"!

rathi · 07-06-08, 12:51 AM

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Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

Actually Britain was more powerful and prosperous. We didn't come into power until after WW1 and more importantly WW2.

Quote:

We had absolutely no national debt...
We had the largest middle class in the world...
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

I'm sure Mom was glad to raise the kids, when she was barred from taking real jobs and wasn't allowed to vote. Also, we didn't have military spending. If we kept our defense spending at the same levels, Mexico would be able to invade us today. Modern technology increased the power of centralized government, and those that didn't embrace some of that organization got crushed. We won WW2 because we had organization and centralized power. 1908 has past and we are never going back. Competing in the modern world requires a different system than what we had 100 years ago.

Scucca · 07-06-08, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rathi

Actually Britain was more powerful and prosperous.

The economic decline of Britain might be a useful starting point. We can't go with the standard arguments favoured today by the relatively poorly educated right wing. There's no "its the government fault" blubbering. A business history approach, such as Chandler's analysis into the investment of the management class, would focus on the repercussions of Britain's class system. Thus, Britain's decline reflects a form of 'personal capitalism' where stagnancy is encouraged by the motive of the owning class: defence of family wealth.

Could we get such personal capitalism impacting on the US? Given her neo-liberalism has led to divides similar to the inequalities experienced by the Brits, do we see economic decisions increasingly dominated by defensive protection of their wedge of the pie?

Mach · 07-11-08, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

That knuckle dragging is a "pretty good point on the tax issues"? !

lol.

Yes, we need to remeber that taxes are actually hoarded and burned in a midnight devil worshiping festival each year.

That mailer read to me as seriously devoid of a good point. Press one for English. Jesus Christ, let's just go back a hundred years and get us some slaves and have sex with minors.

-Mach

Iriemon · 07-11-08, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by John1234

I think that this is worth reading for both sides.
I am anti Conservative mostly. But this little piece makes a pretty good point on the tax issues.

Multiply those stats by 1000.

Then multiply by 9.

Then you have the amount of debt the Govt is in because those taxes were insufficient to cover what it spent.