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Michael Hudson Interview [W:89]

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Michael Hudson is one of the few modern economists worth listening to. In this Meet the Renegades interview he talks about debt, banksters, classical economics vs. neo-classical economics, earned income vs unearned income, and firing Alan Greenspan.

 
Michael Hudson is one of the few modern economists worth listening to. In this Meet the Renegades interview he talks about debt, banksters, classical economics vs. neo-classical economics, earned income vs unearned income, and firing Alan Greenspan.



I like the Thomas Paine quote.

The interview I will watch later
 
Good interview. Hate his speaking style, but I agree with everything he said.
 
I watched the video and agree with the viewpoint of Dr. Hudson.

Now I am not an "Economist," I have no advanced degree in that field.

However I am an observer of life and have seen serious, negative economic changes occurring from childhood to the present time that no amount of main-stream economic legerdemain can hide.

I've argued that deficit spending, MMT, the federal reserve system, and globalism are not in the best interests of society as a whole despite the manipulation of unemployment numbers and the false promises of GDP growth.

Every time we get responses from economic experts trained in schools funded by the economic special interests who mold this ideology for their own profit reassuring us that little "glitches" like the last two bailouts are nothing to worry about. All's well with the world.

Point out how inflation affects the fiscal security of the average wage earner? It is dismissed as false fear based on old-style thinking and ignorance. How globalism has affected American productivity? Dismissed with responses about all the cheap products saving the consumer money. Point out how debt ridden the average citizen has become? Dismissed with "well look how the standard of living has improved" even though people have to go into more debt to afford it.

He points out one thing I've noticed over the last 60 years; that people have become debt slaves and are afraid to do anything that might cause the new debt bubble to collapse. Will it be credit card debt? Student loan debt? Government debt? Mortgage debt again? A combination of any or all those; or something new?

I am not an economist, but like most people I sense something very wrong is happening with our economy and the "expert economists" are leading us like the pied piper down a road to some unknown collapse.
 
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Good interview. Hate his speaking style, but I agree with everything he said.

if he has even one good idea why not tell us what it is and why you think its a good idea??
 
Good interview. Hate his speaking style, but I agree with everything he said.

You are right, he is definitely not the best speaker, but what he has to say makes up for his style.
 
I sense something very wrong is happening with our economy.

fortunately we go on science and reason not what you sense. Why not tell us what single action you would take, based on your sense, if you were empowered to do so.
 
fortunately we go on science and reason not what you sense. Why not tell us what single action you would take, based on your sense, if you were empowered to do so.

There is no "single action" one can take. Complex problems are seldom solved via "simple" one-step solutions. :roll:

But speaking as a common citizen? If I had my druthers I'd rather:

1. We eliminate the Federal Reserve system entirely, taking control of the production of money from banks and returning it to the Dept. of Treasury.

2. Repudiate MMT and return to a resource-backed monetary system.

3. Re-invigorate American industry, starting with increased development of our own natural resources and businesses that produce HERE using them.

4. Regulate and limit both personal and business debt.

5. Keep student loans but tie them to yearly educational success standards, while reducing compound interest rates which only serve bank profiteering.

That's just a few. I'm sure other people have their own suggestions. :coffeepap:
 
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1. We eliminate the Federal Reserve system entirely, taking control of the production of money from banks and returning it to the Dept. of Treasury.

Thats first???? and do you have reason to think the Dept of treasury would be different and better than Fed? Why????
 
That's just a few. I'm sure other people have their own suggestions. :coffeepap:

You fail to realize that the big issue in economics is capitalism versus socialism
. Which are you and why?
 
He points out one thing I've noticed over the last 60 years; that people have become debt slaves and are afraid to do anything that might cause the new debt bubble to collapse. Will it be credit card debt? Student loan debt? Government debt? Mortgage debt again? A combination of any or all those; or something new?

I am not an economist, but like most people I sense something very wrong is happening with our economy and the "expert economists" are leading us like the pied piper down a road to some unknown collapse.

In the following video, Hudson explains how private debt is the real problem:

 
Thats first???? and do you have reason to think the Dept of treasury would be different and better than Fed? Why????

Debtor's are beholden to the owner of the debt.

The Federal Reserve, despite it's name, is a private bank controlled by appointees from major banking interests. Thus a private bank decides how much money we have in circulation.

As long as the Federal government owes trillions of dollars to this private bank, those banking interests control and can dictate policy to our government.

THAT is reason enough. :coffeepap:
 
Unempower the "idle rich". The very first step? Remove money from politics. Everything else is just a pipe dream until that happens.
 
The Federal Reserve, despite it's name, is a private bank controlled by appointees from major banking interests.:

actually Yellen is a little old lady appointed by President!! Isn't learning fun?
 
Remove money from politics. Everything else is just a pipe dream until that happens.

Trump just won with 20% of the money Hillary spent. Care to rethink???
 
Trump just won with 20% of the money Hillary spent. Care to rethink???

So he's middle class? By the people, for the people. Well? When's the last time someone REAL ran for, and got into that office? Someone who's worked at least one day of actual labor? Someone who is not completely out of touch with the majority of Americans.
 
So he's middle class? By the people, for the people. Well? When's the last time someone REAL ran for, and got into that office? Someone who's worked at least one day of actual labor? Someone who is not completely out of touch with the majority of Americans.

no no, you said money was the most important factor,(at top of your list) then I pointed out that Trump spent a tiny fraction of what Hilary spent indicating that money may do more harm than good. Then you tried to change the subject as you realized you were mistaken.
 
no no, you said money was the most important factor,(at top of your list) then I pointed out that Trump spent a tiny fraction of what Hilary spent indicating that money may do more harm than good. Then you tried to change the subject as you realized you were mistaken.

Money is. I simply think we have a misunderstanding. You assumed I was talking about campaign donations and finance...which is also important. But no, I'm talking about that, but much more than just that. I'm talking about insider trading for politicians, most of which is legal for them. I'm talking about the deals they make while in office that benefits them directly, financially. Even if that benefit isn't seen till after they are out of office. And I'm talking about how we constantly elect people that aren't representative of our population. America is not a nation of bankers and lawyers, who are career politicians. God help me for saying this, but Trump is the closest thing to a working class guy to run for the office this last time around. And he ain't working class.
 
Money is. I simply think we have a misunderstanding. You assumed I was talking about campaign donations and finance...which is also important. But no, I'm talking about that, but much more than just that. I'm talking about insider trading for politicians, most of which is legal for them. I'm talking about the deals they make while in office that benefits them directly, financially. Even if that benefit isn't seen till after they are out of office. And I'm talking about how we constantly elect people that aren't representative of our population. America is not a nation of bankers and lawyers, who are career politicians. God help me for saying this, but Trump is the closest thing to a working class guy to run for the office this last time around. And he ain't working class.

getting money out of politics is 100% absurd. Its like saying you want to get air out of breathing. Perhaps what you are trying to say is you want a law the requires people in politics to be working class??
 
Unempower the "idle rich". The very first step? Remove money from politics. Everything else is just a pipe dream until that happens.

I agree, the money has to be removed first for the people to wake up. Would that be as simple as removing Citizens United? Even before that decision, money played a big role. What will it take? I am personally a big fan of cellular democracy. In theory, at least, it would remove the money influences. Of course, such radical change would probably require a new country/government/constitution.
 
For anyone thinking Hudson is promoting "socialism" then I advise checking out the following video where he tears into Obama:

 
The real battle is not between capitalists and socialists but classical economics vs. neo-liberal economics.
 
getting money out of politics is 100% absurd. Its like saying you want to get air out of breathing. Perhaps what you are trying to say is you want a law the requires people in politics to be working class??

Not a law. Anyone who wants to run has a right to do so. I just wish we as Americans had better judgement.
 
Debtor's are beholden to the owner of the debt.

The Federal Reserve, despite it's name, is a private bank controlled by appointees from major banking interests. Thus a private bank decides how much money we have in circulation.

No it's not "prvate and it's not controlled by private banking interests.

Here are some thoughts related to the Fed.

- The Fed was a system created by Congress, which has total authority over it, including the right to alter or eliminate it in any way.

- The Fed is not an agency. It's a "system" consisting of many parts. Some of these parts are agency-ish, but are not called agencies. Agencies belong to the executive. The Fed belongs to Congress and is not, therefore, an agency. As long as Congress owns it, it can't be.

- "But wait! Don't banks own stock in the Fed?"

Why yes - sort of. Common stock confers ownership. There are other sorts of stock which do not - like preferred stock.

Fed stock is like preferred stock.

First, there is no stock in "the Fed".

The Fed consists of "agency-like" entities, like the Board of Governors, which members are federally appointed, and who take federal oaths of office.

The Fed also consists of twelve regional banks, which are wholesale banks. They do not make monetary policy. They're banks.

The stock is in the banks. When a member bank buys stock in the Richmond Fed, it's ONLY stock in the regional bank in Richmond.

It gives that bank no say over monetary policy.

Do stockholders get any profits? No. Like preferred stockholders, they get a guaranteed 6% dividend on paid-in capital. In other words, no matter how much "profit" the regional bank makes, they get the same 6% of their paid- in capital as a dividend.

Banks are also subject to assessments, or cash calls.

Banks cannot trade their stock. They can only sell it back to the regional bank at the same price they bought it.

Banks cannot buy more or less stock. The Fed tells them, based on their size, how much capital they must pay in to be Fed member banks. No matter how much they are assessed, they have one vote. One share, one vote. Your local bank, if a Fed member, has exactly the same number of votes as Citibank - one.

All profits made by regional banks (less operating costs and the 6% dividend) are surrendered to the Board of Governors, who surrenders them to Treasury (the Fed's books are available on their website).

But doesn't the Fed print money and charge is interest on it? No.

The Fed prints no money. Currency is printed by the Treasury, who "loans" it to the Board of governors (those profits turned over to Treasury are nominally interest on all Federal Reserve Notes on circulation).

The BoG then sells the notes to the regional banks, who sell them to your bank - for one dollar each.

"Printing money" really isn't monetary policy. Currency is just distributed to respond to your demand at the ATM machine.

"But aren't Fed employees and expenses not paid by the Federal government"?

Sure they are. Federal monetary operations make money. Every year, the Fed turns its profits over to Congress. That's the governments money. The Fed's expenses and payroll are paid with money that would be paid to Congress - in other words, they come out of government's pockets.

Also, nobody disputes that the Postal Service is federally owned, and its expenses are paid exactly the same way.

So is the Fed privately owned? No.
Not even a little bit. It does function as a "private entity" in very limited circumstances. If a truck owned by a regional bank hits you, you have no case against the government -
Just against the regional bank.

But there are no - count 'en, zero - private owners of the Fed.


https://www.federalreserve.gov/

Note the .gov address?

It is the regional banks that have .org addresses and they are the private arm of the quasi-government agency.
 
Debtor's are beholden to the owner of the debt.

The Federal Reserve, despite it's name, is a private bank controlled by appointees from major banking interests. Thus a private bank decides how much money we have in circulation.

As long as the Federal government owes trillions of dollars to this private bank, those banking interests control and can dictate policy to our government.

THAT is reason enough. :coffeepap:

Now imagine that you could pay your debts by writing dollar denominations on a little piece of paper and depositing them at your bank. How could you ever run out of dollars?

What's that you say? The government doesn't create dollars it creates bonds. Ok, so take your pen, draw up bonds and deposit them in your bank. Your bank holds the bond, dollar for dollar as an asset and deposits the cash in your account. An extra step, but the result is still the same.

What's that you say? What if the bank decides not to accept the bond you create? Well, if we are being analogous to the US Federal Government (the Treasury), the bank has to accept your bond as part of its relationship with you.

In the same way, primary dealers are obligated to purchase bonds from the Treasury as part of their relationship....

Effective November 9, 2016, the Administration of Relationships with Primary Dealers has been superseded by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York Policy on Counterparties for Market Operations and specific eligibility criteria for primary dealers.
The primary dealers serve, first and foremost, as trading counterparties of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (The New York Fed) in its implementation of monetary policy. This role includes the obligations to: (i) participate consistently as
counterparty to the New York Fed in its execution of open market operations to carry out U.S. monetary policy pursuant to the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC)
; and (ii) provide the New York Fed’s trading desk with market
information and analysis helpful in the formulation and implementation of monetary policy. Primary dealers are also required to participate in all auctions of U.S. government debt and to make reasonable markets for the New York Fed when it transacts on behalf of its foreign official account-holders.

https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/pridealers_policies.html

Ok, but what if foreign nations refused to purchase bonds from the Primary dealers, surely the system would break down, right?

The reality is that the Fed rolled over something like $94 trillion dollars in debt last year. Nations all over the world are dependent on US dollars to keep their economies afloat. The only way to stop purchasing US debt is to stop selling to US consumers. Can you imagine a nation like China saying that it was no longer going to peg it's currency to the dollar and instead let it free float? This is the only way it could stop buying debt (unless it just wanted to hold trillions more in FOREX reserves, $800 billion more each year). Breaking the peg would cause Chinese goods to skyrocket in price making American goods more affordable.

It would drop a bomb on both nations (the whole world really) as they would run short on demand and we'd run short on supply, but I'd rather be in our shoes than theirs. There are lots of nations that would be happy to take China's place in trying to create more supply and while we'd likely suffer high temporary inflation, that inflation would be driven by shortages in demand, shortages that US companies would be happy to meet. However, in China's case, there is no nation willing or able to purchase the volume of goods that the US purchases today.
 
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