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Michael Hudson Interview [W:89]

The Federalists legacy is the Constitution that we all follow and obey to this day.

Stalin? I have no idea what brought that on...

Liberals spied for Stalin, elected Obama/Sanders. They are communists not Adams supporters. Modern liberals hate everything our Founders stood for!!

"We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."

-- Thomas Paine

Jesus told the chief priests, “I tell you the truth, the liberal tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.”
 
Liberals spied for Stalin, elected Obama/Sanders. They are communists not Adams supporters. Modern liberals hate everything our Founders stood for!!

"We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."

-- Thomas Paine

Jesus told the chief priests, “I tell you the truth, the liberal tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.”

Ahh and we were having such a nice conversation...and then you had to go and regurgitate partisan hackery all over yourself. Go wipe your face off, James.
 
Ahh and we were having such a nice conversation...and then you had to go and regurgitate partisan hackery all over yourself. Go wipe your face off, James.

Translation: As typical liberal I lost debate so I'll try to distract with violent personal attack
 
Translation: As typical liberal I lost debate so I'll try to distract with violent personal attack

Don't blame me...you're the one that started the partisan attacks. Typical conservative.
 
Don't blame me...you're the one that started the partisan attacks. Typical conservative.

if you have something against conservatism say what it is or admit with your silence or attempts to change subject that you're a liberal.
 
if you have something against conservatism say what it is or admit with your silence or attempts to change subject that you're a liberal.

I don't like political hacks, James. So if you're going to continue with your partisan hackery then our discussion is over. Got it?
 
I don't like political hacks, James. So if you're going to continue with your partisan hackery then our discussion is over. Got it?

so to your IQ our Founders were hack because they supports freedom from big liberal govt??
 
Thats nice...too bad Obama isn't a socialist...but Bernie is...and Hudson is a huge supporter of Bernie.

Bernie is a socialist? I guess it depends on one's definition of socialism.

According to the posters who would scream "socialist!" Obama is indeed one. I would say Hudson is closer to a geo-mutualist than a typical state socialist.

If you watch this video you would see Hudson actually favors free markets, just not the "free markets" we see today.
 
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Bernie is a socialist? I guess it depends on one's definition of socialism.

According to the posters who would scream "socialist!" Obama is indeed one. I would say Hudson is closer to a geo-mutualist than a typical state socialist.

If you watch this video you would see Hudson actually favors free markets, just not the "free markets" we see today.


I always thought Obama was more of a populist than a socialist. But lately I noticed the media has been calling the white nationalists populists now...so I don't know what he is. But I don't think he's a democratic socialist like Bernie...he seems too pragmatic for that. So maybe he's just a moderate liberal democrat.

I like Hudson...but I lost a little respect for his judgement after he said he voted for Trump.
 
The Bill of Rights. Seriously, your knowledge of US history leaves a lot to be desired.

Moot, friendly piece of advice. James972 is immune to facts. What he believes affects what he perceives. Somewhere between his eyes and his brain there exists a filter that changes all the information he gets and puts a rightward justification for his point-of-view. The more you try to convince him, the more rigid the thinking gets.

Now you have a lot more posts than I do, so you may already be aware, so, it's all good, but I don't remember seeing you much in this part of the forum....

Anyway, cheers my friend.
 
I always thought Obama was more of a populist than a socialist. But lately I noticed the media has been calling the white nationalists populists now...so I don't know what he is. But I don't think he's a democratic socialist like Bernie...he seems too pragmatic for that. So maybe he's just a moderate liberal democrat.

Populism can take many forms and isn't strictly left-wing or right-wing. I suppose Obama was at one point a populist. He once supported universal healthcare but, in the end opted for the Heritage Foundation-approved (sorta) ACA. Obama's support for TPP certainly didn't win him any populist points. He will probably move back to being more populist once out of office, but as president I agree he was definitely more of a pragmatist in that he didn't rock the boat nearly as much has he could have, especially economically.


I like Hudson...but I lost a little respect for his judgement after he said he voted for Trump.

Did he say that he voted for Trump? Maybe he did, the closest I've seen of Hudson "supporting Trump" is him saying Trump is the lesser of the two evils because he is a "blank slate" while with Hillary you know she'll continue the neocon/neo-liberal policies that are destroying our country.

For the record, I do disagree with Hudson on who is the lesser evil. I cannot stand the Clintons but I always believed that when it came to the "two evils scenario" it is best to stick with the evil you know best. Even if he voted for Trump in the end, you can tell by his rhetoric he really doesn't like the president-elect.
 
Moot, friendly piece of advice. James972 is immune to facts. What he believes affects what he perceives. Somewhere between his eyes and his brain there exists a filter that changes all the information he gets and puts a rightward justification for his point-of-view. The more you try to convince him, the more rigid the thinking gets.

Now you have a lot more posts than I do, so you may already be aware, so, it's all good, but I don't remember seeing you much in this part of the forum....

Anyway, cheers my friend.

Thanks for the advice, cs. Maybe that's why he only has one "like". That's just sad. :lamo

True, I haven't been to the economics forum for awhile....but I used to come here quite a bit during the economic crisis.

Cheers to you, too. :)
 
Thanks for the advice, cs. Maybe that's why he only has one "like". That's just sad. :lamo

True, I haven't been to the economics forum for awhile....but I used to come here quite a bit during the economic crisis.

Cheers to you, too. :)

I'll have you know I have only two people banned from my viewing: Excon and James... just to illustrate how bad it is. :lol:
 
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Cease the personal crap or infractions will be issued.
 
Moot, friendly piece of advice. James972 is immune to facts.

if so please present a significant example so we can be sure you're right.
 
There is no "single action" one can take. Complex problems are seldom solved via "simple" one-step solutions. :roll:

But speaking as a common citizen? If I had my druthers I'd rather:

1. We eliminate the Federal Reserve system entirely, taking control of the production of money from banks and returning it to the Dept. of Treasury.

2. Repudiate MMT and return to a resource-backed monetary system.

3. Re-invigorate American industry, starting with increased development of our own natural resources and businesses that produce HERE using them.

4. Regulate and limit both personal and business debt.

5. Keep student loans but tie them to yearly educational success standards, while reducing compound interest rates which only serve bank profiteering.

That's just a few. I'm sure other people have their own suggestions. :coffeepap:

1. Here's the problem with that: What generally happens when you hand the production of money to politicians who want to give free goodies to the people who elect them? They jack up the presses, so to speak. At least an independent central bank can keep that tendency somewhat at arm's length.

2. I agree with you on that one. The idea that a country can print away its debt or spending problem by printing more money without consequence is a pipedream. Look, for example, at what is going on with China. In eighteen months, the country blew through $1 trillion worth of foreign exchange reserves, about one-fourth of its total, trying to defend the yuan. And yet the currency is still hitting multi-year lows. This represents a real and serious loss of wealth to the Chinese, and explains why Chinese and foreigners are almost in panic mode trying to move money out of the country and why the Chinese have installed capital controls in an attempt to put a finger in the dyke. Now some Chinese economists are advising that intervention by the Chinese central bank should stop and the currency should be permitted to find its true value because the intervention and depletion of the FOREX reserves is generating more capital flight. Once again, people are discovering that you can't hold back the tide by peeing against it. Mr. Market wins again, just as he always does. :2wave:

3. I'm fine with that one, too, although we might differ on how that's done. It stands to reason that if we reduce the costs and increase the benefits of producing here, we'll get more domestic production. We don't want to reduce families to penury by cutting labor costs, but we can make investments that make the workers we have more productive. We can improve their training and better match their skillsets to the needs of employers. We can reduce corporate taxes, invest in needed infrastructure (roads, bridges, ports, etc.), and streamline regulations. We can also leverage access to our markets with the threat of tariffs or other barriers to entry for nations that don't want a level playing field. Instead of using a "one size fits all" approach to trade agreements, we should tailor bilateral treaties that better suit the actual conditions we face from individual countries.

4. There already are regulators of public and private debt, which go by various names. One is called income, a second one we can call the rate of interest, another we can call inflation, and yet another we can call liquidation or discharge, as in bankruptcy. To the degree that the first two regulators are allowed to work, the necessity to resort to the last two is reduced. Remember, an economy is a lot like an ocean, and, when it comes to the ocean, you can build jetties and ports and such, but you can't regulate the tide.

5. Have you ever noticed how the cost of things government subsidizes always seems to increase to absurd levels, whether it's housing, medical care, or the cost of college? I mean, do we really need more philosophy graduates saddled with six-figure debts so that their alma maters can hire Thoroughbred faculties, thus furthering an arms race for the best talent with other institutions? Investments in public colleges are fine, but just tossing checks at all comers so that Little Johnnie or Susie can say "I've got a degree in anthropology from Podunk U and I'm broke!" is not very efficient. In the 19th Century, we had the land-grant universities that focused on engineering, math, and science. Those are great areas to invest in, as well as community colleges that can partner with companies (employers) to provide workers with proper, relevant training.
 
5. Have you ever noticed how the cost of things government subsidizes always seems to increase to absurd levels, whether it's housing, medical care, or the cost of college? .

and the liberal solution is even more govt involvement. Its exactly like when Stalin's first 5 year plan failed. The solution was another libcommie 5 year plan to fix the first one.
 
Being a "stock owner" in the federal reserve doesn't represent ownership. Those "stocks" can't be privately traded and never change in value. Only banks that are members of the federal reserve system are allowed to own those stocks, and ownership of fed stock is required to even be a bank. It's more like a deposit that banks have to make to be a member of the federal reserve system. Originally, that was where some of the seed money to start the fed came from.

If you've never seen this, I think you will enjoy it...

Statement for the Press : Letter to Wright Patman, House of Representatives
 
Being a "stock owner" in the federal reserve doesn't represent ownership. Those "stocks" can't be privately traded and never change in value. Only banks that are members of the federal reserve system are allowed to own those stocks, and ownership of fed stock is required to even be a bank. It's more like a deposit that banks have to make to be a member of the federal reserve system. Originally, that was where some of the seed money to start the fed came from.
It's a rental security deposit.
 
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