Debate Politics Forums
Speak your voice
Go Back   Debate Politics Forums > Debate Politics Forum > Archives

Archives The credit crisis and the next waves; The world economy was on the brink of collapse when people and banks realized what sub prime crisis was and ...

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-31-07, 06:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
Professor

 
Maximus Zeebra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Last Online: Yesterday 05:31 PM
Location: Western Europe
Posts: 2,121
Thanks: 178
Thanked 64 Times in 59 Posts
Lean: Very Liberal
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Mad
The credit crisis and the next waves

The world economy was on the brink of collapse when people and banks realized what sub prime crisis was and how it happened. This is in my opinion the first wave, the continuation is, what will happen:

-When the people realize the western world governments are all bankrupt, the severity of this and how they continue to run deficits and increase the government debt?

-When people realize a massive number of western corporations are actually bankrupt with a huge trade deficit, massive credit crunches and unbearable debts?

-When people realize that the populations of western countries are bankrupt and that everything they own is on loans and that the loans they own are really 30 years of their lives?

-What will happen when the people realize the stock markets are worthless and massively overvalued? Who would want to pay 250 billion $ for a company with 10 billion $ in revenues? Who would pay hundreds of billions $ for a company with a less than billion $ annual profits?


Is the subprime crisis just the first in a line of financial crisis to come? Whats your opinion?
__________________
I am just waiting for some American to pick apart my 5000 word reasoning, by a slight spelling mistake in a sentence, to prove why I am wrong, and he is right.

American politics, knowledge acquired by the people.
Maximus Zeebra is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Inline Ads
Old 12-31-07, 07:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
Enemy Combatant

 
Kandahar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Last Online: Yesterday 02:11 PM
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 11,102
Thanks: 753
Thanked 2,085 Times in 1,242 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Cynical
Re: The credit crisis and the next waves

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
When the people realize the western world governments are all bankrupt, the severity of this and how they continue to run deficits and increase the government debt?
If the governments in question become in danger of defaulting on their debt, they'll be a bad credit risk and won't be able to get anymore loans. This will force them to balance their budgets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
-When people realize a massive number of western corporations are actually bankrupt with a huge trade deficit, massive credit crunches and unbearable debts?
Same as above. If those corporations are in bad financial shape, they won't be able to get any loans from banks, and their stock prices will fall.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
-When people realize that the populations of western countries are bankrupt and that everything they own is on loans and that the loans they own are really 30 years of their lives?
In the United States, people with bad credit can't typically get loans. I don't know if it's the same in Europe.

Sometimes banks go overboard (as they did recently) in handing out credit, but the problem quickly corrects itself. Banks will be much more careful in the future, now that they lost a lot of money.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
-What will happen when the people realize the stock markets are worthless and massively overvalued? Who would want to pay 250 billion $ for a company with 10 billion $ in revenues? Who would pay hundreds of billions $ for a company with a less than billion $ annual profits?
Stock markets are efficient, meaning they take into account all publicly-available information. If you believe that they're massively overvalued, sell the stocks short and you'll make a killing.

But in reality, you can't expect to beat the market. The prices of stocks are what they are for a reason. Obviously the vast majority of stockholders don't think that they're overvalued, or they wouldn't be willing to pay those prices.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
Is the subprime crisis just the first in a line of financial crisis to come? Whats your opinion?
No. It's just an economic belch. The economy will probably slow for the next year or two, but all this talk about a looming depression is simply not rational.
__________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams
Kandahar is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 02-22-08, 03:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
Student
 
tlmorg02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Last Online: 10-20-08 01:39 PM
Location: Louisville, Ky
Posts: 208
Thanks: 17
Thanked 27 Times in 21 Posts
Lean: Slightly Liberal
Gender: Male

Current Mood:
Pensive
Re: The credit crisis and the next waves

The subprime crisis will pass and the market will swing-up again, though banks and lending entities will be more responsible about to whom they lend. Thomas Jefferson feared just what we see on Wall Street, speculation that leads to foolish practices and ultimately stagnation.
tlmorg02 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-02-08, 05:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
◊-Dıąmọŋđ™
Mod team member



 
Tashah's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Last Online: Today 03:41 AM
Location: ישראל
Posts: 8,737
Thanks: 1,102
Thanked 1,938 Times in 1,141 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Female

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! Israel Defense Forces:  Thank you for service to your country to make the world a safer place. 

Current Mood:
Amused
Re: The credit crisis and the next waves

Moderator's Warning:
Moved to a more appropriate forum
__________________

Tashah is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-02-08, 10:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
Moderator
Mod team member

 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Last Online: Yesterday 09:59 PM
Location: New York
Posts: 2,284
Thanks: 727
Thanked 1,362 Times in 792 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Male

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Re: The credit crisis and the next waves

Maximus Zeebra,

A lot more would have to occur for the world to face something even close to a financial collapse. Moreover, corporate profits are not synonymous with the trade balance. Corporations can be profitable even when nations run large trade and fiscal imbalances.

As for the U.S. economy, if one pores through the more detailed data, one finds that the weaknesses are confined to a few sectors. Many remain healthy. In the most recent report of GDP (preliminary 4th Quarter data), real GDP grew by an annualized 0.6%. However, two areas largely contributed to the drop. Fixed investment in residential structures fell by an annualized 1.25% and inventories fell by an annualized 1.49%. The former is on account of the ongoing contraction of the housing bubble. The latter is on account of slowed business production, but it offers a proverbial silver lining. So long as demand does not begin to contract, inventories will need to be replenished. As a result, one could begin to see a pickup in production down the road.

The big danger is inflation coupled with a falling dollar (and there is they are interrelated). Inflation expectations could discourage businesses from making investment and production decisions. Yet, the Fed has not been giving adequate attention to inflation in almost an eerie replay of 1970s Fed decisionmaking, even as inflation is being experienced in many parts of the world (with Canada being an exception on account of prudent monetary policy). Should inflation expectations become unanchored--and there is some evidence of that starting to take place based on the Fed's internal minutes, along with some evidence of pass-through of cost pressures to consumers--the inflationary problem could grow worse. Ultimately, the price of such a policy mistake could be postponement of a mild recession but at the cost of a much more serious one afterward to kill the inflation.

With respect to large trade imbalances, over some period of time, large trade balances inevitably unwind. Per research by the IMF, they can do so in an orderly fashion with little economic harm. They can also do so quite rapidly in which a significant economic shock results.

Also most of the traded stocks are based on intrinsic value (net assets). Many of the companies can expected long-run earnings. So, it is difficult to argue that the stock markets are "worthless," even as some stocks are overvalued (excessive market capitalizations). It is possible--indeed, probable--that the ongoing equities correction could continue before stocks bottom out.
donsutherland1 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Navigation
Home Main
spacer Home
spacer Newsroom
spacer Resources
spacer FAQ
spacer Chatroom

Extras Extras
spacer DP Store
spacer Statistics
spacer Worldmap
spacer Gallery
spacer Link to us

 Advertise Here!

Random Pic
by Billo_Really
· · ·
Member Galleries
1010 photos
219 comments



Debate Politics XML Feed

Add to my Yahoo!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:03 AM.

Partners with: Computer repair || Irrationally Informed

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Debate Politics.com Copyright ©2004-2008
SEO by vBSEO